Ori-Fili-Kili

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Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby PrincessOfIthilien » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:50 am

I'm not really a purist, as such, but some things do rankle.

Why, in the movie, is Ori the youngest dwarf, as I'm virtually certain that he isn't in the book (which I'm currently re-reading, and so far no mention of Ori being the youngest). I know he's the younger than Dori and Nori, but is there any point to this change from canon?

And I know I'm nit-picking, but it seems a senseless deviation to me - unless I've got it wrong?
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby ngaur » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:55 pm

When is he stated to be this in the movie?
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby jotnar » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:07 pm

When the Goblin King is threatening torture to the dwarves and says, "Start with the youngest", the camera focuses on Ori's reaction, thus by implication, Ori is the youngest.

He certainly looks it in this picture :P Image
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby PrincessOfIthilien » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:32 pm

jotnar wrote:When the Goblin King is threatening torture to the dwarves and says, "Start with the youngest", the camera focuses on Ori's reaction, thus by implication, Ori is the youngest.

He certainly looks it in this picture :P Image


It was also in Empire's Hobbit special, last year.

It just seems so pointless...change for something constructive is one thing, but this just seems ridiculous.
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby ngaur » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:01 pm

When the Goblin King is threatening torture to the dwarves and says, "Start with the youngest", the camera focuses on Ori's reaction, thus by implication, Ori is the youngest.


Why is that the implication, and not that Ori is shocked on behalf of the younger ones?

Maybe there something in the reaction'? I don't remember the scene.
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby Sador_Labadal » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:26 pm

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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby heliona » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:20 pm

ngaur wrote:
jotnar wrote:When the Goblin King is threatening torture to the dwarves and says, "Start with the youngest", the camera focuses on Ori's reaction, thus by implication, Ori is the youngest.

Why is that the implication, and not that Ori is shocked on behalf of the younger ones?

Maybe there something in the reaction'? I don't remember the scene.


From what I can recall (I saw the film again last week) is that Ori does look rather dismayed, and I took it to mean that he thought the Goblin King meant him. That's usually how camera cuts work, isn't it?
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby Denethor » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:39 pm

The book itself is contradictory on this point. Fili is described as the youngest of the company (by Thorin himself, IIRC), whereas in the LOTR appendices, Kili is younger.
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby PrincessOfIthilien » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:48 am

In Empire, Adam Brown describes Ori as being the equivalent of seventeen years old. (Should have gone to Specsavers). Whilst Fili and Kili are twenty-five. (Both of them?)
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Re: Ori-Fili-Kili

Postby siddharth » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:17 am

My guess is that they chose the actors, then designed the wigs and when the two were combined they found Adam Brown's Ori looks much more younger (and cuter according to some) than either Fili or Kili. So they went with that.
Beorn's appearance - now that is a change made for the sake if changes.
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