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Postby redrobot » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:58 pm

i take it there's a list somewhere of all the names in LOTR and the possible etymolygies? eg. mordor = murder / morir = mourir Fr. to die / etc etc many similarities with JK rowling in this respect.
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Postby heliona » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:07 am

The etymologies are from Tolkien's own mind. He thought up his own languages, and most, if not all, of the similarities to any modern language are merely coincidence. He did draw inspiration from Old Norse, Icelandic, and Old English, but everything is his own. So no, nothing like JK Rowling. Tolkien was a linguist and in fact the stories he wrote were to create a world for the language he created. Entire books have been written about Tolkien's languages. The series, History of Middle-earth goes through the creation of the stories and includes notes on the word creation that Tolkien did.
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Re: names

Postby redrobot » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:30 am

the malayan emergency (a small far east war in which britain fought communists) took place 1950-60 and a part of the territory is called legoland (yes). is this where T got the name legolas? a tribute to the british soldiers? i still believe that mordor is supposed to suggest murder and that moria, the dwarfish massacre site, is suspiciously close to mourir (to die).

it's difficult to deny T's strident rejection of rabbit influence except to say that authors are not always the best judges of their work. so hobbits still = half rabbits / half country folk for me.

strange to read T describing hobbits as bourgeois. imagined the old prof as being less politically savvy. not sure how you can have bourgeois people pulling pigs thro the street on the end of a piece of rope or dancing drunk on tables but there you go.
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Postby heliona » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:14 am

Well, you can believe that the origins of the words, but it won't be right. As I said, Tolkien made up his entire language. It is what he did for fun. And if you're just going to dismiss everything that Tolkien himself said about the origins of things that he wrote, then go for it. But you're not going to convince everyone else. We actually believe that he knew what he was doing and saying.

I suggest if you are actually interested in the origin of the words and names in Tolkien's books, then check out those books that I mentioned. The truth is much more interesting than what you propose.

For instance, the name "Legolas" was thought up long before the war you speak of (which by the way, wasn't just British forces, but forces also from the Commonwealth, fighting).
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Re: names

Postby Anriel Mendereth » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:34 am

I think somewhere online there is a document entitled "Elements of Quenya and Sindarin names" that might help you. I downloaded it years ago to help me make up names for my own fantasy scribblings, so I'm not sure where you would find it now, but it breaks the elements of the names down and gives those meanings. :)
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