Issues & questions posed by redrobot concerning the movies

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cliff

Postby redrobot » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:51 pm

after running away from farmer maggot the hobbits are shown approaching a lethal looking cliff only to roll down a steep bank when they fall. when is a cliff a bank? it isnt.
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ripping up trees

Postby redrobot » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:52 pm

when saruman begins to build his army you see orcs ripping down trees. not even in a fantasy cd a few orcs on 4 ropes pull down a mature tree. just not credible.
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bad wizarding names

Postby redrobot » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:57 pm

why did tolkien choose 2 such similar sounding names for the 2 baddie wizards? saruman / sauron

also is the name sauron derived from the greek 'sauros' meaning lizard? the eye on top of the tower looks very like a lizard's eye with it's vertically oriented pupil.
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Re: Issues & questions posed by redrobot concerning the movi

Postby wilko185 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:50 pm

redrobot wrote:the black horses are twice afraid of water until they get to the river where arwen has crossed with frodo. after some provocation the 9 kings ride into the river. now are those horses afraid of water or not?

The Nazgul themselves were meant to be afraid of water, I expect the horses just took their cue from their riders.

redrobot wrote:why did tolkien choose 2 such similar sounding names for the 2 baddie wizards? saruman / sauron

I doubt that we're meant to read much into that. They are different names with different etymologies. Admittedly in a film it is probably more desirable than in a book to have the character names be clearly different. For this reason, in the 70s film version by Ralph Bakshi, Saruman was (intermittently) called "Aruman".

redrobot wrote:also is the name sauron derived from the greek 'sauros' meaning lizard? the eye on top of the tower looks very like a lizard's eye with it's vertically oriented pupil.

In the book an image of Sauron's Eye is described similarly as "yellow as a cat’s, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil opened on a pit". However, in a letter he drafted in 1967, Tolkien took great issue with the idea that was often put forward by his readers that his names had such direct real-world inspirations, and more specifically:
Tolkien wrote:To take a frequent case: there is no linguistic connexion, and therefore no connexion in significance, between Sauron a contemporary form of an older *θaurond- derivative of an adjectival *θaurā (from a base √THAW) 'detestable', and the Greek σαύρα 'a lizard'.
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