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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:20 am

Tolkien was undecided as to the fates of the pair of 'Blue Wizards' Alatar and Pallando (or, if you prefer, Morinehtar and Rómestámo). Falling into evil and corruption was one possibility. They might also have at least partially succeeded in their missions and the forces of Sauron might have been even stronger without their involvement. Their separate fates as individuals might have even been very different. But it would be problematic to explicitly include either of the Ithryn Luin as there is said to be no record of what became of them.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:05 am

Still, any storyline in the far east or south of Middle-earth would be invented, so it would make more sense (to me) if they at least based it off of something Tolkien actually wrote about – then again, Aragorn might not be the main character, so this is just conjecture anyway! :)
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:30 pm

Some might be interested to know that there is a member of TheOneRing.net who (with his brother) was involved in a pitch to Amazon for the M-e series. What he reported was that the show can apparently only use The Lord of the Rings and its appendices as a source. They could not reference material that was exclusive to other works such as The SIlmarillion or even The Hobbit. However, neither could they directly contradict those other works. This creates quite a challenge for the writers and showrunner(s).
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:17 am

Otaku-sempai wrote:What he reported was that the show can apparently only use The Lord of the Rings and its appendices as a source. They could not reference material that was exclusive to other works such as The SIlmarillion or even The Hobbit. However, neither could they directly contradict those other works. This creates quite a challenge for the writers and showrunner(s).


Certainly does. I don't know how that's gonna work out…it'll be interesting to see the extent to which they will have to manipulate the stuff in the appendices to get it to fill four seasons.
(btw, I wrote before that it was in HoME that the Blue Wizards were mentioned: I meant to write Unfinished Tales, I think) :oops:
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:46 pm

I think it's been confirmed already that the story will take place in between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, but if they're going solely by LotR & Appendices, I do hope they find some way to give the whole history of Arnor (with the Snowmen of Lossoth, Tyrn Gorthad, Amon Sul and whatnot) as flashbacks or something; I think the Wars of Arnor would make a better storyline for a GoT style show personally, if that's the route Bezos wants to go with this (and he might not, I admit), but I think it could be nice as flashbacks, with the history of the Dunedain following, leading up to Aragorn, if he is the hero. Also, that would be the nicest way (I think) of introducing Tom Bombadil, as the mysterious spirit who may or may not have aided the Men of Arnor in those wars, when it is said that the last of the faithful in Cardolan took refuge on the Barrow-Downs or in the Forest behind. I personally would like that (and, as someone who may have helped Aragorn's ancestors – well, okay, the men of Cardolan weren't as much his ancestors as men from Arthedain, but whatever – I could envision Aragorn going to find him, perhaps with Gandalf's help……okay, that idea is not really making sense as I write it, but it could be interesting if done in a slightly better way than what I just outlined.)
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:51 pm

Actually, much of the histories of Arnor and Gondor are in the appendices, especially Appendix A and Appendix B. The story of King Arvedui and his death in Forochel is there. That was one of the tales that inspired me to start my "TOR Guide" series of home-brewed supplements for The One Ring Roleplaying Game.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:14 pm

That stuff would be COOL in a TV show, wouldn't it be?
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:54 am

The tricky part would be bringing it all together into a cohesive whole.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:20 am

I'm thinking of ways it could be done…I think it could only work if the whole show was centered on Aragorn, but as I assume that's where they're going with this, I hope they reach the same conclusion that the Wars of Arnor would be visually awesome. Also, Glorfindel is part of that, and who doesn't want to finally see him on screen?? Plus, it says that Rivendell was besieged during that time. Tolkien wrote that in times of crisis, Elven women would fight alongside men, none the lesser in strength or speed – Arwen warrior princess, anyone? Elrond brought Elves of Lorien over the Mountains to help in the fight; I don't know if Galadriel was with them, but she could have been. The greatest navy ever assembled since Ar-Pharazon sailed from Gondor to aid their northern brothers. The Barrow-Wights arose in Tyrn Gorthad. You might even have those infamous hobbit archers!
Thinking about it, the Wars of Arnor might be even more interesting than the journeys of Aragorn…
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:48 am

Thor 'n' Oakenshield wrote:Thinking about it, the Wars of Arnor might be even more interesting than the journeys of Aragorn…

Quite possibly, though they also take place over a much longer span of time. There could be some time-compression, but I wouldn't want to see the staff get too carried away with that. It might be enough to just concentrate on the events of the twentieth century of the Third Age leading to the fall of both Arthedain and Angmar.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:23 pm

Otaku-sempai wrote:
Thor 'n' Oakenshield wrote:Thinking about it, the Wars of Arnor might be even more interesting than the journeys of Aragorn…

Quite possibly, though they also take place over a much longer span of time. There could be some time-compression, but I wouldn't want to see the staff get too carried away with that. It might be enough to just concentrate on the events of the twentieth century of the Third Age leading to the fall of both Arthedain and Angmar.


True - also, I'm not sure if the Wars of Arnor would feature enough familiar characters to ring a bell with audiences; no Gandalf, as far as I know (though frankly I don't think his whereabouts through most of the Third Age are known), and - well, no, they would find some way to throw Legolas in, whether this story is set during the War of the Ring or the Darkening of Valinor. :roll: )
Though it would make a good series of flashbacks
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:10 pm

So we have some updates! The first map for Amazon's Lord of the Rings!

https://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime ... odoamzn-20
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby here2fore » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:59 pm

Thor 'n' Oakenshield wrote:So we have some updates! The first map for Amazon's Lord of the Rings!

https://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime ... odoamzn-20


All the way East of the Sea of Rhun, to the Orocarni Mountains. Interesting. Dark Elves, Variags, Dwarves, Easterlings, Blue Wizards.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:02 am

Interesting. The extent of the map suggests that the show could range pretty far across Middle-earth. Perhaps we will see Aragorn journey into those distant lands.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:40 am

Otaku-sempai wrote:Interesting. The extent of the map suggests that the show could range pretty far across Middle-earth. Perhaps we will see Aragorn journey into those distant lands.


I personally hope so.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Denethor » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:40 pm

Based off the latest update, I strongly suspect that they're focusing on the Forging of the Rings and the Second Age, rather than Young Aragorn:

https://phuulishfellow.wordpress.com/2019/02/27/much-ado-about-ras-morthil-the-amazon-tv-series-and-unfinished-tales/
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:32 am

Denethor wrote:Based off the latest update, I strongly suspect that they're focusing on the Forging of the Rings and the Second Age, rather than Young Aragorn...

Another possibility is that each season will be a done-in-one.

Season 1. Aragorn journeys to the East (as evidenced by the inclusion of the Orocarni).
Season 2. Eorl the Young leads the Éothéod to Calenardhon.
Season 3. Galadriel and Celeborn come to Laurelindórenan (a.k.a. Lothlórien).
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:00 am

Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
The map has been updated again: https://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime. To me, the newly revealed locations suggest the early-to-mid Third Age, though the setting of the Second Age remains a possibility.
- Fornost wasn't an especially notable location until after Annúminas was abandoned early in the Third Age and it became the capital of Arthedain.
- Minas Ithil does go back to the Second Age; however, it was retaken by Gondor after it was first captured by the Enemy and wasn't reclaimed by the Shadow until T.A. 2002.
- Khazad-dûm labeled as Moria is at least suggestive of the middle of the Third Age. Before the freeing of Durin's Bane, the Sindarin name was Hadhodrond.

One Ring to rule them all...
There might be another update tomorrow (March 7), or some other major revelation.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Denethor » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:56 am

Latest update:

https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1103656820130775050

IT'S THE SECOND AGE AND THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHTS TO UNFINISHED TALES! SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Anarianar » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:35 pm

So... with the new Amazon series... I guess I'm back too... Been a long time.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Elmtree » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:43 am

Denethor wrote:Latest update:

https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1103656820130775050

IT'S THE SECOND AGE AND THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHTS TO UNFINISHED TALES! SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!


I second that Squee!

I hope they do it well. But this is excellent news. I think the Hobbit would have fared better if they had some UT material to work with (though I expect there would have been issues there no matter what).
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:28 am

I'm confident that they'll at least start it off well, because the level of care and consideration for the source material that they've shown so far is incredible, so much more than one would usually expect from a major studio: the way they were quick to correct any errors in the maps, for instance, was quite surprising. It shows they really are listening to what the Tolkien fandom is saying, and I'm actually quite hopeful that, if they've shown this much care already, then at least the first few episodes will be good enough to get us (or most of us) onboard. It might go downhill from there, but I'm confident that, to begin with, it'll be really good quality entertainment, and true to the spirit of Tolkien.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:52 am

Thor 'n' Oakenshield wrote:I'm confident that they'll at least start it off well, because the level of care and consideration for the source material that they've shown so far is incredible, so much more than one would usually expect from a major studio: the way they were quick to correct any errors in the maps, for instance, was quite surprising.

On the new map, though, the Elf-city of Ost-in-Edhil in Eregion is still being shown at about the location of Tharbad, where it should probably be nearer to Khazad-dûm.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:59 am

Elmtree wrote:I think the Hobbit would have fared better if they had some UT material to work with (though I expect there would have been issues there no matter what).

Elmtree, what material from Unfinished Tales would you have used in the Hobbit movies? I can't think of anything there that would have had a significant impact on those films. There is Tolkien's essay on the Istari, but that's all background material that was not needed to tell the story of The Hobbit.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Otaku-sempai wrote:
Elmtree wrote:I think the Hobbit would have fared better if they had some UT material to work with (though I expect there would have been issues there no matter what).

Elmtree, what material from Unfinished Tales would you have used in the Hobbit movies? I can't think of anything there that would have had a significant impact on those films. There is Tolkien's essay on the Istari, but that's all background material that was not needed to tell the story of The Hobbit.


There's also additional material about the Wood Elves, the history of Dol Guldur, King Thranduil, etc.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:27 pm

Otaku-sempai wrote:On the new map, though, the Elf-city of Ost-in-Edhil in Eregion is still being shown at about the location of Tharbad, where it should probably be nearer to Khazad-dûm.


Was Ost-in-Edhil ever marked on any of Tolkien's own maps? I would think that its placement would have to require some sort of conjecture. I agree, I suppose, that the city probably would be close to Khazad-dum, but then again, it is shown on the River Gwathlo, which seems accurate for a large city, especially for one that was basically the closest thing to a "capital" that the Elves ever had in Middle-earth.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:00 pm

Thor 'n' Oakenshield wrote:Was Ost-in-Edhil ever marked on any of Tolkien's own maps? I would think that its placement would have to require some sort of conjecture. I agree, I suppose, that the city probably would be close to Khazad-dum, but then again, it is shown on the River Gwathlo, which seems accurate for a large city, especially for one that was basically the closest thing to a "capital" that the Elves ever had in Middle-earth.

Karen Wynn Fonstad placed Ost-in-Edhil at the confluence of the rivers Sirannon and Glanduin in The Atlas of Middle-earth. John Howe drew a map of Middle-earth that places the city just to the east of the marshes of the Swanfleet, near the crossing at Tharbad. Christopher Tolkien's maps for The Lord of the Rings and Unfinished Tales do not disclose a location for Ost-in-Edhil or its ruins.

Thor 'n' Oakenshield wrote:There's also additional material about the Wood Elves, the history of Dol Guldur, King Thranduil, etc.

Fair enough, though I would argue that none of that is needed in The Hobbit--and Peter Jackson seeming adopted a very different history for Dol Guldur.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:03 am

Otaku-sempai wrote:Fair enough, though I would argue that none of that is needed in The Hobbit--and Peter Jackson seeming adopted a very different history for Dol Guldur.


True enough, but there was definitely an opportunity there to expand upon Thranduil's motivations by using that material, I think. And I would have liked if Dol Guldur had looked Elven in origin: in the Art Of The Hobbit books, John Howe mentions that he thought Dol Guldur was built by the Numenoreans, and I just want to yell at him through the pages of the book: "No! No, it was the Wood Elves who made it!"

Also, unless I'm mistaken, UT also has the much longer conversation between Thorin and some of the Dwarves, such as Gloin, Balin and Fili, which helped to give them some individual characterization. That could definitely have been helpful to PJ, who struggled with that very issue.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Otaku-sempai » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:01 am

Granted, UT includes "The Quest of Erebor" which is a somewhat more detailed account of Gandalf's first meeting with Thorin Oakenshield than the version found at the end of Appendix A of LotR. I'm not sure that would have made much of a difference in the films; Peter Jackson had his own ideas for that first encounter.
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Re: Amazon & Warner Bros. in talks for a TV adaptation of LO

Postby Thor 'n' Oakenshield » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:58 am

Well, PJ might have used that scene if he had had the rights to it, rather than the rather peculiar scene with the assassins tracking Thorin (something I never quite understood, since they never showed up again). But I'm just speculating - I would have used that scene, if I'd had the rights to it.
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