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Postby Aglanor » Wed Jun 04, 2003 4:39 am

Sahuagin you mean?<BR><BR>Well, I'll see how my Kensai will take it. I'm making my mage a buffcaster, with spells like Haste, Invisibility/Improved Invis., and a few more, it shouldn't be a problem. I think I'm going for Aerie as she also has Cleric spells. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>Also I'm still wondering whether to dual-class my Kensai to a sorcerer or thief....<BR><BR>Both are excellent choices.
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:23 am

Thief<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> but that is ofcourse my choice<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Yes the sahaugin are nasty, although the drows were cutting through imoen too, cant blame them though<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Your mage sounds fine, mine can spell with level 8 spells, doing a lot of haste, protections from fear and bless<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>
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Postby Aglanor » Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:33 am

Well, the sorcerer (or wizard) has the ability to cast Mirror Image, Blur and Stoneskin. As the area of effect is only the caster you can't have a mage cast it on your kensai. But it's definitely awesome to have those spells. I was also wondering on a Kensai/Monk. Problem is I'm not really sure about the abilities of the Monk in 2E. <BR><BR>I had that problem with character generation as well. What do the stats really do? I was in doubt about lowering INT, cause I was thinking in 3E terms. Especially if I want my Kensai to dual to thief.... Does it benefit from INT? I now have 18/00, 18, 18, 6, 6, 11. Which is pretty decent....<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I'll have to redo the kensai, if I want it to be wizard or sorcerer. A sorcerer unlike 3E, uses INT in BG2...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:41 am

It aint bad stats, but dont make mine mistake...i am all 19 now but my intelligence is 2 and i cant caste draw upon holy might, heal anymore <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>nassssssssssty<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby Aglanor » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:14 am

I'll keep that in mind...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>Also, I just heared that Kensai/Sorcerer is not possible. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> So it'll be Kensai/Thief or Kensai/Mage.<BR>As my current character is built, Mage is not an option, so I'll try the thief for now....<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:41 am

*jumps for joy*<BR><BR>I knew it<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> and what we are leaking right now is a good thief, imoen will do for now but she doesnt increase<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby Aglanor » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:46 am

Imoen sucks. But hey, why don't you try Nalia???<BR><BR><BR>Hehehehehehe <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:41 am

Aah Nalia. Another failure in the long line of failed NPCs. I don´t know what the developers were thinking when they decided to make half of the partymember NPCs substandard. Weak. Pathetic. Stupid. Useless. "I´m a fighter/druid!" Oh puh-leeeze...
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Postby Aglanor » Wed Jun 04, 2003 11:05 am

All the full classed NPC's seem to be evil...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>Aside from Keldorn and Valygar. Too bad most NPC's kits are so terrible...
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Wed Jun 04, 2003 2:20 pm

You are bad Aglanor, i aint going to listen to a half thief/mage whining how good she is while she can't open a lock and cant cast hight spells<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I prefer to just hug with bare hands and without armor a fire elemental<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Wed Jun 04, 2003 3:10 pm

I prefer a maxed out full party, all of core class and no multi...
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:32 pm

I agree, that is why i am happy i made my own mage<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> that helps a lot.<BR><BR>The only thing is though that i havent done all human quests so far, like Edwins or more from Nalia. Maybe i do that when comming back from the underdark<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby drieske » Thu Jun 05, 2003 8:08 am

*drieske stays silent and reads* <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Thu Jun 05, 2003 4:25 pm

<i>*Themedes has planned out his sunday night for NWN*</i><BR><BR>I have three high powered characters to choose from. A halfling thief, a gnome illusionist and a human druid. I´m thinking I should go with the druid, since we´ll need a tank... Thoughts?
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Postby drieske » Thu Jun 05, 2003 10:48 pm

Need a tank? A tank for what? For blasting the enemies to little pieces? With a druid? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I'm playing BG with a druid as main character... and I won't do that again, I like the features, the healing skills but she can't fight! <BR>In BG2 again I'm handling Jaheira, she can fight better there, but is still vulnerable. <BR><BR>Anyway, I'll leave the advising to more experienced players <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Good luck and have lots of fun Themedes <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Darklon » Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:15 pm

heh drieske <BR><BR>Druids are not fighters of because they will never be as powerfull as a a high lvl fighter but they can be pretty good as to druid beeing a first line fighter hm.. not really druids are mostly used ( at least by me ) as healers and sling users also some of theirs spells are nasty <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>in NWN i preffer to go with the Cleric not only they are hell powerfull played right they can become undestructable example try taking a fire blasted red dragon with a fighter lvl 20 and with cleric lvl 20 you will see the difference <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Aglanor » Fri Jun 06, 2003 4:39 am

WEll, it depends how you make druid. And certain spells can really aid you. Like Barkskin, Armor of Faith, and quite some more...<BR><BR><BR>Themedes: Sounds good. I've got a 15 level sorceress whom I'll probably pick. Or my barbarian/fighter, or Monk. But I prefer playing the sorceress. Heavy on the spells, oh yeah. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Fri Jun 06, 2003 4:44 am

Druids are not fighters? That gave me a good laugh. Do you have any idea how many highlevel barbarians I´ve beaten in melee while wild shaped as a Dire Bear or in the form of an Elder Fire Elemental? Druids are good fighters. It´s just in how you play it. Should things go bad, they have more than enough of offensive spells to rain on their enemies. Maximized 'Flame Strike' is enough to do most people in. Not good enough? 'Slay Living'. Made the save? 'Harm'. Still alive? 'Storm of Vengeance'. Thought so.
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Postby Darklon » Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:12 am

I was talking baout druids in BG not in NWN there is huge difference between those and as to druids be as powerfull as fighters I need to say that with a sword of dispel magic your druidic spells will be nothing for skilled warrior as they will simply vanish one fater another ( in bg and in NWN ) also don't forget that in order to cats spell druid needs to be concentrated enough to actually cast it as tot he warrior he don't care how many enemies are on him he just shake them off and move on... although I admit that it might depend as to how you play the druid and what kind of equipment heshe is using .<BR><BR>So far in NWN I have a fighter ogue lvl 20 ( sneak attack and other deadly roguewarrior skills come in handy ) and cleric lvl 14 both of them are damn strong chars<BR><BR>As to Bg I'm actually thinking about starting over with cleric to see if they are as powerfull as in NWN
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Postby drieske » Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:31 am

And I was talking about a druid in BG too, since I never played NWN <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>, but in BG2 Jaheira is fighing better hehehe <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Themedes, maybe you can teach me one day to use all the advantages of the noble druid <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>, you are making me very enthusiastic for the druid again lol, it's the character I would choose naturally... based on the D&D players handbook, but that's an entirely different matter <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Aglanor » Fri Jun 06, 2003 11:23 am

Every class had an update from the 2E rules in BG/BG2 where the balance was quite off. That's why there is a difference in require XP to level up. A rogue levels very quickly, while fighters, rangers and paladins level slowest. Try to multi-class a fighter and a rogue, and you'll see your rogue will need far less XP... <BR><BR>In NWN (with 3E rules) this was no longer required....<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Btw, Themedes I had a problem, with the savegame, so I got a sorceress to level fast in the CoC Map Sampler Mod. Anywho, I now have a level 20 sorceress with some home-made equipment and some kick-a** spells....<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Fri Jun 06, 2003 3:41 pm

2nd edition rules had terrible balancing problems. The ranger was superior and the bard was utterly useless.<BR><BR>BTW, this druid of mine is totally min/maxed, but atleast I´ll be able to fend for myself (and others if need be)...
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:42 am

LOL i dont like bg druids either, only as party member. I highly prefer Clerics<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>And Themedes is right, the fighter classes are ruling, but it is hard to play a special class. That is why i finished it only with the fighter types, at Drieske's place i play a thief now though, it is more tough but i sure love it<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:42 am

LOL i dont like bg druids either, only as party member. I highly prefer Clerics<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>And Themedes is right, the fighter classes are ruling, but it is hard to play a special class. That is why i finished it only with the fighter types, at Drieske's place i play a thief now though, it is more tough but i sure love it<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:09 am

[ rant] <BR> <BR>Fighter classes are not "ruling" per se, since it´s entirely up to the DM what kind the adventure will be. It takes more than a blade to get threw certain situations. Sadly, in computer rpg's action dominates 95% of the game. Pen&Paper enjoys the flexibility of the mind and gives more freedom not only to the DM, but also the player. Suddenly skills like 'Diplomacy', 'Knowledge: *' and 'Gather Information' are not entirely useless anymore. I just thought of something. When was the last time when you saw skills like 'Swim', 'Jump' and 'Climb' in a computer rpg? Only one game comes to my mind at the moment (Ancient Domains of Mystery = ADOM). <BR> <BR>[ /end of rant]
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Postby Darklon » Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:39 am

well I would say whole falout series ( although maybe not really fallout tactics ) but the fallout 1 and 2 for sure had some skills that could get you out of fight if you talked you way through it
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:51 am

Themedes you are so right, but i have to add something that maybe you dont agree with but i feel like the game makers do it mostly right, especially in like NWN. I mean, i hate the jumping, swimming part in most games and yes with our latest technology we might make it fun, but i hate it when i can kill everything with spells and sword, do all the riddles, but can't pass the part where do to stupid gameplay i can't jump from rock to rock. Or have to swim but it isnt fun to do so. <BR> <BR>That is why i love D&D it is the best game because if you have a good DM, as i found you were mate, the world starts to live and you can't just save and reload, and every skill can be great<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>
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Postby Themedes » Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:05 pm

Indeed. I am grand.
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Mon Jun 16, 2003 7:01 am

you big spammer you<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>You could have said atleast that you agreed with me<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Themedes » Mon Jun 16, 2003 1:14 pm

True. I *could* have.
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