Metal Militia: Spreading the Disease

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Postby BlackGoat » Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:35 pm

Yeah, they did "Back In The USSR" and "NIB".
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:41 pm

Wicked!<BR><BR>No metal in my town lately since Marduk got cancelled. I think Nevermore played here but they bite.
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Postby BlackGoat » Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:33 pm

You don't like Nevermore? Bah to that. They're definitely cool.
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:09 pm

Yeah I don't care for them. I have not heard a lot but what I have heard is too soft for my taste.
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Postby BlackGoat » Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:29 pm

Ahh. I've got their "Dead Heart In A Dead World" album, which I think is pretty good.<BR><BR>I had a chance to see Marduk again here, but I passed on it. I'd rather go to the NY Steel benefit show and see Twisted Sister with Anthrax, Ace Frehley, Overkill, and Sebastian Bach.
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Postby Saruman » Tue Oct 30, 2001 2:38 pm

Nevermore is actually very heavy... sure they aren't death metal heavy, but they're one of the heaviest power/prog bands in existence. Why does distortion matter anyway? To me, the speed is much more important in a metal band.
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Postby BlackGoat » Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:03 pm

Nevermore isn't a power/prog band.
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Postby Lysandros » Thu Nov 01, 2001 11:22 am

BlackGoat: you never agree with genre placings! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>We should start a quiz I think. People, name some bands and BlackGoat will give us their genre so that we do not irritate him with our metal ignorance! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Borknagar, DragonLord, In Flames.<BR><BR>BTW: I have just found out that TORC needs 3000$ for an equipment overhall. That is why the site is very slow sometimes, more and more often lately it seems. Ted and Jon have been shelling out their own cash to support this site! I think this is unacceptable! There is a link at the bottom of every page to donate online if you have a credit card. If you don't have a credit card, find someone who does and give them money to make a donation. <BR><BR>With over 10000 users now on TORC it should not be hard to raise the money! If you access this site every day you know how much it means to you and how much enjoyment IT GIVES, every little bit will help!
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Postby BlackGoat » Thu Nov 01, 2001 1:35 pm

Hah, oh well, guess I'm just picky.<BR><BR>I hear Borknagar classified as black metal, but I've never heard em, so I can't say for them. Again, with DragonLord, I've heard being called power metal, but I haven't heard them either.<BR><BR>In Flames, of course, everyone practically knows. They've got the tried and true gothenburg sound, heh. Death, mostly, although I haven't heard Clayman, just everything before it.
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Postby Canamarth » Fri Nov 02, 2001 4:50 am

Anyone heard of Ulver? Norwegian band. I've got "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" at home and am wondering whether their other albums are worth having.
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Postby Lysandros » Fri Nov 02, 2001 10:58 am

I have heard the name, wasn't there a guy named Ulver in Enslaved?
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Postby Saruman » Fri Nov 02, 2001 1:16 pm

Ok Blackgoat, Nevermore is actually a heavy progressive/technical power/thrash band with doom influences <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Maybe using both progressive and technical was a little redundant, but oh well.<BR><BR>I have heard some of Ulver's Nattens Madrigal... man that's the rawest black metal I've ever heard. Anyway, I don't like it... way too simplistic.<BR><BR>Haven't heard Borknagar eh Blackgoat? They are pretty good. Vintersorg has joined them now. They sound a lot like Vintersorg.. I guess they would be called viking metal?
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Postby BlackGoat » Sat Nov 03, 2001 1:01 am

I'll explain my take on genre's, if you want. These are the main genre's: death, black, thrash, classic, power, doom. Anything else is strictly heavy metal. No need to put a tag on EVERYTHING.<BR><BR>Anyways, I don't know about Ulver ever being in Enslaved, but I know he's a good friend of Samoth from Emperor. I don't think his current stuff is metal.<BR><BR>
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Postby Lysandros » Sat Nov 03, 2001 1:11 am

I could be thinking of someone else then....
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Postby BlackGoat » Sat Nov 03, 2001 12:08 pm

Trym from Emperor was the drummer for Enslaved for a while though.
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Postby Saruman » Sat Nov 03, 2001 3:38 pm

>>I'll explain my take on genre's, if you want. These are the main genre's: death, black, thrash, classic, power, doom. Anything else is strictly heavy metal. No need to put a tag on EVERYTHING<<<BR><BR>The main genres are death, black, thrash, traditional/classic/heavy, power, progressive, and MAYBE doom. Doom could actually be considered a subgenre of death. Classifying bands with tags is extremely helpful when deciding if you like a band. For example, if I told a friend that the new Band X cd was awful, he probably wouldn't buy it. However, if I told him "I don't like Band X's new cd, it has too much death metal influence" he might say "Hey I like death metal!" and then buy it. Some of the genre differences are tedious, like Nevermore being progressive power/thrash, but it's just those tedious names that helps to get an idea of what a band sounds like before hearing their music. It would be absurd, for instance, to say Sins of thy Beloved is simply a heavy metal band, when heavy metal is a general term reserved for bands like Judas Priest. Sins of thy Beloved do not fit in your main genres. However, they are goth metal and started out as doom/goth. Not at all like classic metal. Calling them heavy metal would confuse people who actually know their genres.
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Postby BlackGoat » Sat Nov 03, 2001 11:39 pm

You seem like just another member of the idiotic masses in the metal community.
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Postby Lysandros » Sun Nov 04, 2001 12:14 am

Aw aw...come on now BG, no call for insults. Saruman makes sense there. Besides metal is often ridiculed for its endless numbers of sub-genres which more often than not are more to describe the sound rather than try and isolate them from everyone else.<BR><BR>BTW I figured out what I was thinking of with Ulver. I thought it was a person but of course it is a band (as I discovered) however Garm from Ulver spent some time in Borknagar so that is where I had heard of Ulver.
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Postby BlackGoat » Sun Nov 04, 2001 4:04 pm

No, it's true. 95\% of the metal masses are morons. I mean, they're no better than this idiots listening to nu-metal out there. The community REALLY needs to be cleaned up. Why can't things just be described as metal? I mean, there's no reason to complicate things. Everything needs to be simplified, instead of some idiots coming in and making up all these stupid genre names. All in all, it's still metal, so who the hell cares?
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Postby Saruman » Sun Nov 04, 2001 6:56 pm

Blackgoat, I've already shown why complex genre names can greatly help in describing a band's sound and the problems that can arise by referring to all bands as metal. I see that you have not given any actual arguments against this, but you prefer to instead conclude that I am an idiot, like 95\% of the metal masses. Don't you just love made-up statistics?<BR><BR>Also, why would my preference of specifically labeling a band's sound make me a moron? I doubt you can explain this. By the way, it's extremely unlikely that you are as intelligent as I am. Don't jump to erroneous conclusions.
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Postby Lysandros » Sun Nov 04, 2001 9:40 pm

BG: your statement 95\% of metal fans are morons is only true if you consider nu-metal to be actually metal, which i don't. So of the people who listen to real metal (the other 5\%) I don't think 95\% are morons.<BR><BR>As far as genre-fication, there is no0 way around it. You cannot say metal when refering to Emperor and then a band like say Megadeath. It just doesn't work. Even to say black metal is a bit misleading if you are talking about Emperor and then Cradle of Filth. Obviously they are very different so you further refine the genres to reflect these differences. You cannot just say metal and expect everyone who likes Sepultura to like Dissection or Jag Panzer.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Sauron_the_Maia » Sun Nov 04, 2001 10:03 pm

Heh heh.<BR><BR>Labels do have their uses. However, many metallers get too wrapped up in classifying bands to the nth degree, then fight to the last man over issues which are largely subjective in the first place.
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Nov 05, 2001 12:49 am

Heh heh StM,<BR><BR>Dimmu Borgir- Crisp Symphonic Black metal tinged with Death.<BR><BR>Nice sig pic. DB is one of my faves.
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Postby BlackGoat » Mon Nov 05, 2001 12:44 pm

Sepultura isn't metal anymore.
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Nov 05, 2001 1:39 pm

The are more metal than Soulfly though. I respect Sep. since they have put out many great albums. Without Max they lost a lot though, it is too bad he left.<BR><BR>Sepultura doesn't get enough credit for what they accomplished in the late 80s up to the Roots album. Beneath the Remains and Arise are two mighty classics!
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Postby BlackGoat » Mon Nov 05, 2001 4:15 pm

True, Arise was a great album, but selling out is selling out.
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Nov 05, 2001 4:38 pm

I wouldn't say Sep. sold out. Max did and that is why he started Soulfly. Sep. is still pretty heavy without Max, though of course not as heavy as Arise.<BR><BR>That said, it is not like I have bought any Sep albums lately. I just don't like their sound anymore. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Though Roots Bloody Roots was the best Sep song ever...
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Postby The,real,Maeglin » Tue Nov 06, 2001 3:56 am

Well this is a long time ago i was here<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Rammstein is great, only the song Rein-Raus is soooooooo funny<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>Metallica, defenitly Metal<BR><BR>AC/DC live, to bad haven't seen them live, but it was the first metal band i came in contact with, that's why i have a big collection of them<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Btw videoclip Rammstein- ICH WILL PERFECT<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Canamarth » Wed Nov 07, 2001 8:24 am

I've heard that one of their albums was really hard (oh, sorry, still talking about Ulver here) and I don't fancy buying that one. I'd probably classify as one of those 95\% who don't like the real hard stuff and don't have a clue about anything concerning true metal really. But that doesn't make me a moron. It's the split-personality problem that classifies me as a looney. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Lysandros » Wed Nov 07, 2001 1:40 pm

Hey Canamarth: Regarding Ulver, I was curious about them and downloaded a few albums over the weekend...<BR>I do not know their chronological order since they have all only become available over here in the last year or so but yes they apparently started out as a brutal black metal band. But I did not get anything from those days yet.<BR><BR>The album Kveldssanger was all accoustic and basically arranged as norse folk songs. There was a lot of chant style vocals, with light instrumentation, no drums, flutes, guitars. Pretty cool, very light, not metal at all.<BR><BR>The other album I got I think is their latest. It was called Perdition City. I don't even know what this is. It is slow, electronic, very little vocals. Kinda jazzy at times. No guitars or anything.<BR><BR>I guess I will check out some of the older BM stuff...
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