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Postby Lysandros » Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:29 am

Probably! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Lacrimosa was a little interesting but I wouldn't buy an album of theirs. I have the total Scandinavian bias when it comes to metal now. They really do have all the best bands.<BR><BR>And thrash, I never listened to that much. I consider the Arise album by Sepultura thrash, that was good. A friend of mine used to listen to a lot of Christian thrash so I know some of that stuff, Vengeance was one, Living Sacrifice, Betrayal and Crucified. Some of their stuff was surprisingly good!
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Postby Lysandros » Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:58 am

Bah, this thread shouldn't sink below all those popsters!
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Postby Arathoron » Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:41 pm

nobody knows Dreadful Shadows??!!
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Postby Lysandros » Thu Nov 22, 2001 12:56 pm

Sorry dude.<BR><BR>Where are the rest of the metalheads? Too busy over at Mindtraveller's MM bashing thread to post here I suppose...
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Postby BlackGoat » Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:08 am

Not really, just nothing to talk about now.
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Postby Lysandros » Sat Nov 24, 2001 12:33 am

Did you read Mindtraveller's last few posts? Yikes. It was nice knowing him.
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Postby Saruman » Sat Nov 24, 2001 11:19 am

Hmmm... so what are your favorite types of metal?<BR><BR>I definitely go with prog metal <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Lysandros » Sat Nov 24, 2001 12:19 pm

That is a tough question S-man. One the one hand, my favourite band ever is Amorphis, they are prog. aren't they? But that is the only prog. band I listen to (except maybe Sentenced...who aren't really that good compared to Amorphis).<BR><BR>I would have to say Scandinavian Death Metal. SO that would include early era Amorphis, then Entombed (who still kick butt), In Flames, Edge of Sanity (when they had Dan Swano), Amon Amarth (I only found them recently but they rule), the first couple Dismember albums were awesome.<BR><BR>Lately I have been listening to a lot of Black Metal but it is too soon to say that is a favourite style for me. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Lysandros » Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:52 pm

Just a bump for the Metal Militia, the evilest thread on TORC!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>
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Postby Saruman » Tue Nov 27, 2001 4:26 pm

Amorphis prog? Hmmm... I only have a few songs so I don't really know but they don't sound like prog to me. Maybe their more recent material is more proggish...<BR><BR>My favorite types of metal at the moment would be<BR><BR>1. prog metal<BR>2. power metal<BR>3. doom metal<BR>4. thrash metal<BR>5. black metal<BR>6. death metal<BR><BR>Did I forget anything? Anyway, there are a few black metal bands which I *really* like, namely Emperor, Satyricon, early Summoning, and Dissection (I like what I've heard anyway), but black metal mostly sucks. I haven't found any death metal bands I like except Death is ok, and Control Denied is good. Not sure if they can be called death metal though, they are very progressive and have clean vocals. Oh well.
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Postby Lysandros » Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:36 pm

I think the last 3 Amorphis albums were prog. (Elegy, Tuonela and Am Universum) Am Universum especially was not at all doomy or deathy.<BR><BR>Hail to the Emperor!<BR><BR>If you like Dissection, check out their album Storm of the Light's Bane if you haven't already Saruman. It is pretty wicked.<BR><BR>Death were at best an average Death Metal band. I never cared for them. I think the Florida scene has dried up mostly. (I use Florida loosely, Florida DM is a sound in the same way Scandinavian Metal is). There are only a few really talented DM bands around. The early 90s was when DM peaked. Albums like Legion by Deicide and Covenant by Morbid Angel pretty much defined the genre as far as Flor. DM. Then it got really boring. Even at the time most critical acclaim was being given to Scandinavian bands like Entombed, Dismember, Amorphis etc. Napalm Death also got a lot of praise though they were labelled Grindcore, not DM. New DM, like In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, (notice a theme....hint Svenske) get all the accolades now and the American scene is basically ignored. So I don't actually really keep up on DM because it is so overdone now. A band has to be really something, like In Flames, to make me listen.<BR><BR>An example is Nile, a DM band from the US. They are absolutely terrible. Generic Cannible Corpse clone. I don't know how people listen to it. Cannible Corpse wasn't even that great but their image and gory songs and artwork got them lots of press.<BR><BR>If people are interested in what great DM is, these few albums will show you. Beyond that, it all starts to sound the same.<BR><BR>1.ENTOMBED: Clandestine(91) and Left Hand Path(89) (laid the blueprint for the Swedish sound...interestingly, Entombed changed their sound as soon as they mastered it, delivering WOLVERINE BLUES, coining the "Death & Roll" sound. After Clandestine, they were not really DM anymore, but still a metal force to be reckoned with.) These 2 are the ultimate classics<BR><BR>2.AMORPHIS: The Karelian Isthmus(92), a tremendous DM album that is often forgotten in the larger picture of Amorphis' genre smashing and awe-inspiring masterpieces later released. Wall of guitars, heavy drums. It is not a fast album, tinges of Doom, but the riffs are huge and the voice is a rumbling steamroller.<BR><BR>3. EDGE OF SANITY: Crimson (96), a single 40minute track makes up this amazing mid 90s effort. It is varied in texture, ranging from slow and bludgeoning to quick and thrashing. It is an arty DM album that blew my socks of when I first heard it. Mike Akerfeldt of Opeth guests on some vocals.<BR><BR>4.DEICIDE(92 I think): Legion, replete with satanic lyrics and imagery, this is the ultimate FloridaDM album. It has a hypnotic momentum that just grabs you and hustles you along (down the path to Hell!). Lots of double bass, wailing Florida style solos, and Glen Benton's demonic roar make this an entertaining listen almost 10 yrs later.<BR><BR>5. MORBID ANGEL: Covenant(93)Another classic FlorDM album, MA really peaked here, after this their guitar solos became immensely nauseating. The double bass is a machine gun on this album.<BR><BR>6. DISMEMBER: Indecent&Obscene (93), a killer album right through. They sound a lot like early Entombed (half the band was in Entombed in the band's very very early days). Some people say their first album "Like An Ever Flowing Stream" was better but for my money this one is the best. It has a real cool rocking groove behind all of the brutality, makes you snap your fingers and whistle along, seriously. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>7. FEAR FACTORY: Soul of a New Machine (92), sure they suck now, but this album was awesome! Industrial tinged, ripping brutal, I love it! God they bite now....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>8. OBITUARY: Slowly We Rot (89 I think), slow and brutal with indecipherable bellows from the vocalist...I don't understand a single word pretty much. This album is very very heavy with brutal detuned guitars and ponderous bass drumming. Another band that put out about 2 too many albums after the mid 90s.<BR><BR>9. MALEVOLENT CREATION: The 10 Commandments (91?), The vocal style is what separated this band at the time, it is higher and more articulated. Most songs featured very fast riffing with equally quick singing. A revolving door line-up killed the band basically, they are still around I think, putting out albums that suck.<BR><BR>10. CYNIC: Focus (93?), a fricken weird album, the only one they ever put out, it is very zen, textured guitars with synths and varying growls and synthed voices. The structures are very intricate and the guitarwork is really something. This album isn't that heavy, but it is one of the quirkier and better releases of the DM era. A neat listen.<BR><BR>That is enough I think. Most of these albums hold true even today despite the fact that some are getting pretty old. All together they pretty much reveal every aspect of DM worth revisisting. At the time, for every good DM band there were 10 horrible ones. In future days, when someone asks about DM, refer them to this post. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Like any of you care, no one here really likes DM I think! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby BlackGoat » Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:07 pm

My favorite is Doom Metal, by I appericiate all metal genre's.
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Postby Lysandros » Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:23 pm

What are some Doom bands? I cannot recall reading about any.
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Postby Canamarth » Wed Nov 28, 2001 7:40 am

I don't know any of them German bands you listed besides Blind Guardian. Interesting... But there's two you can add: Helloween and Rammstein (if that is metal - I don't know these things). Oh, and then there are The Scorpions, of course. Right, I better duck now...
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Postby BlackGoat » Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:32 am

Doom bands?<BR><BR>Cathedral<BR>My Dying Bride<BR>Trouble<BR>Saint Vitus<BR>The Obsessed<BR>Candlemass<BR>Thergothon<BR>Evoken<BR><BR>Many others, but those are some highlight bands of doom.
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Postby Canamarth » Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:34 am

Oh, does anybody know Deine Lakeien? Ok, that's more gothic, wave, whatever, but nevertheless - does anybody?
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Postby Lysandros » Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:41 pm

Ahh, Ok, I have heard Cathedral and MDB. Last time I heard Cathedral, in the mid 90s, I didn't care for them. MDB I think I have said before have awesome music but the vocals are froggy. I don't know how much I could get into that. But I would say then that Type O were doom-like on the Bloody Kisses album...along with all the gothic stuff. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Canamarth: Nice to see you! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Rammstein are metal, and good I think. I keep meaning to get some of their stuff, which album is better; Sehnsucht or Mutter?<BR>I have never heard of Deine Lakeien but living in Canada I am not always the most authoritative critic. IE: I didn't even know who In Flames were until the Whoracle album came out! But people in Europe had been listening to them for almost 5 years!
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Postby BlackGoat » Wed Nov 28, 2001 10:18 pm

The only element I find in of goth in Type O's music are the keyboards, which seemed to be used a lot more on Bloody Kisses. That was one hell of a Doom album though. World Coming Down was pretty doomy too.
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Postby Canamarth » Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:46 am

I don't own any of Rammstein's albums (I don't have to; they play them on the radio all day) but I remember that a friend of mine listened to them before they became really famous. And I liked most songs on that one. It must have been their first album whose cover was yellowish. It's definitely not Mutter as that is their most recent one. Oh, wait a sec, I'll have a look at Amazon. There I have it: Herzeleid it is called.
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Postby Lysandros » Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:28 pm

I shall have to check that out Canamarth. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>BG: Actually, by a slim margin I liked October Rust over Bloody Kissess. It had a more serious tone to the lyrics and musically it was a bit better. Not to take away from BK which was really great. Black #1 is my fave off that album.
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Postby Lysandros » Thu Nov 29, 2001 2:57 pm

Ahoy Metalmaniacs,<BR><BR>for those of you with fast internet connections goto www.bwbk.com. It is an online Radio Station dedicated to metal of all kinds. They just played Wasp, Grave Digger, Iced Earth, Van Halen and now Dimmu Borgir. So there is a good mix going on and it is worth checking out!<BR><BR>Also, I am downloading the " And Then There Was Silence", the new Blind Guardian song. I can't wait to hear it...14 minutes long!!
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Postby Sauron_the_Maia » Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:08 am

Lysandros, if you like Blind Guardian, you may also like another German power metal band called Gamma Ray. They're nearly as good, in my opinion. Try their albums "Somewhere Out in Space" or "Powerplant".
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Postby Lysandros » Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:13 am

I have heard a bit of Gamma Ray, it didn't grab me but I will keep an ear out, they get played a lot on the radio station I mentioned below.
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Postby Saruman » Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:35 pm

I've had "And then there was Silence" for a few weeks. Quite an excellent song.<BR><BR>A new Dream Theater song has leaked called "The Glass Prison". It is 14 minutes long and heavier than any of their previous material. For those of you who formerly denied Dream Theater was metal, this song will change your mind.<BR><BR>My favorite doom metal bands are Anathema and Candlemass. The former's The Silent Enigma is great, as are Candlemass's earliest few cds. Trouble is pretty good too, though I haven't heard a lot.<BR><BR>Lysandros, I have a couple songs off Storm of the Light's Bane that I really like. I'll have to download some more.
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Postby Lysandros » Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:50 pm

I dislike Dream Theatre, I have never heard a song I cared for. Did you guys hear about the release of their live album, this is weird. It was recorded in New York and was released Sept. 11, it had a pic of New York on fire drawn on the cover! It was yanked and is being altered. Weird huh? If you bought it, save it. Collector's item.<BR><BR>
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Dec 03, 2001 2:54 pm

I am listening to the new My Dying Bride, not bad at all. Some of the aforementioned frogginess has dissipated. I am reminded of Blackwater Park by Opeth.
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Postby BlackGoat » Mon Dec 03, 2001 4:59 pm

I agree somewhat, but I think the new MDB is a lot more doomier than Blackwater Park.
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Postby Lysandros » Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:05 pm

I agree with that, definately. The end of the last song of The Dreadful Hours is pretty crazy death metal eh? I thought maybe some other band got squashed into the MP3. Good growling going in.
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Postby Saruman » Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:02 pm

Opeth severely sucks.
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Postby Lysandros » Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:18 pm

I dunno S-man, I like Blackwater Park a lot. It is quite good, are they just not your cup o' tea?<BR><BR>The vocalist in MDB sounds like every waking moment is agony for him, I like that. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>BG: I downloaded Myrkskog, insane! That is the only word to describe it. What do you expect though, from an album named "Deathmachine?" <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>Thanks for the tip.<BR><BR>
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