Joy Division / New Order [RIP Tony Wilson]

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Joy Division / New Order [RIP Tony Wilson]

Postby wilko185 » Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:46 am

It's about time TORC had a Joy Division thread <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>. And by some oversight, it seems no one has started a New Order thread either. Although the two bands really have little in common, JD being a gloomy, gothy, guitar band, and NO ultimately morphing into shiny 80s dance music, they do share a common aesthetic in a way.<BR><BR>JD released a perfect single (Transmission) and a fantastically gloomy debut album (Unknown Pleasures). Being on Factory records, everything had an aura of "music as art" rather than just business. They were deadly serious. Ian Curtis was more of a poet than a songwriter. Sumner's guitar playing was a bit weak, but it was made up for by Peter Hook's amazing bass lines. The second album especially had fantastic drumming as well... "Closer" is a better album IMO, the songs have more beauty and maturity. I recommend the "Substance" singles collection as well, it contains several great songs not included on the two albums (She's Lost Control, Atmosphere, Transmission, Love Will Tear us Apart etc)<BR><BR>Curtis tragically killed himself just before the band were going to launch themselves in America, thus ensuring his Cobain-esque immortality. There was the posthumous "Love Will Tear us Apart" single... and then amazingly the band relaunched as New Order, the phoenix rising from the ashes... but that's a different story.<BR><BR><i>No language, just sound, that's all we need know <BR>To synchronise love to the beat of the show</i>
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Postby Berhael » Wed Mar 12, 2003 5:24 am

Can't let this thread drop to the abyss... so even if I don't know that much about Joy Division, I'll try to add something insightful. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>JD are one of those groups that my goth friends professed to adore, even if they'd just listened to one or two songs ("Love will tear us apart" and "She's lost control" basically) - but that's the way often with trends. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I was always under the impression that their music was too depressing for me and never made a serious effort to listen to them (talk about prejudice <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>); I guess the story of Ian Curtis's suicide influenced me too much. So to this day they remain a gap in my musical knowledge of the 80's - perhaps one I should try and fill one of these days. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>As for New Order, from what I've heard by them, it seems pretty astonishing that they were basically the same members of JD minus Curtis. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> But maybe I've only listened to relatively late material. Are there any transitional albums that show closer links to JD, do you know, Wilko?
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Postby fatcatdave » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:28 am

The New oRder that ive listened to (mostly singles) still retains a certain JD nes about them, if only through Peter Hook magnifecent Basslines.<BR><BR>JD were a band that i largly overlooked, only really getting into them recently, (I borrowed a CD but have yet to listen to it)<BR><BR>As my love was And still is for all things bauhaus.<BR><BR>Although i still hate Paul Young for covering THAT song.
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Postby wilko185 » Sat Mar 15, 2003 7:52 am

Ber, I obviously have no idea what goths are all about... there's really such a thing as music that's too depressing for goths? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I think the first few NO songs were written by Ian Curtis ("Ceremony" and "Procession" were, certainly). I guess NO found their own style with the single "Temptation" and the "Power Corruption and Lies" album. The "Movment" and "Low Life" albums are a little gloomier and more JD-esque IMO. Btw, my favorite NO album is probably Technique, which is nothing at all like JD, being influenced by Balearic techno as much as anything.<BR><BR>It is really quite amazing that JD became New Order. Ian Curtis wrote all the lyrics and also most of the melodies, I think, and his personality set the tone and direction for the music. When he went it allowed the others to show what they were made of, I suppose.<BR><BR>Incidentally, I don't think Joy Division really count as a gap in your <u>80s</u> music knowledge, Ber <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> - they first met at a Sex Pistols gig in the 70s, and Ian Curtis died in May 1980.
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Postby robo » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:18 pm

Kind of the same thing happened with Bauhaus turning into Tones on Tail then Love and Rockets all without Peter Murphy.
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Postby JestersTears » Mon Mar 17, 2003 4:51 am

LowLife is a good album - I’ll never forget the wicked bassline hook (groan) into Sunrise which follows the drawn out synth chords before the guitar slide…..excellent.
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Postby Corey12 » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:22 pm

Ooo Torc needs far more goth threads <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR>I myself as of late am more into like covenant, and blutengel and such, but joy division rocks <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby draupnir » Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:22 am

- <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0> -<BR><BR>pesky double posts!<BR><BR>
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Postby draupnir » Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:23 am

<BR>"Love Will Tear Us Apart" is one of my 5 favourite songs of all time, and I will never be able to listen to the intro for the song "Decades" without shedding a tear. Ian Curtis commited suicide and Joy Division became history when I was only a couple of years old, but I've been in love with JD since I bought "Unknown Pleasures". (And promptly acquired "Closer" a couple of days later! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR><BR>I'm not sure if this is true or just a rumour, but I read somewhere that Deborah Curtis had the words Love Will Tear Us Apart inscribed on the memorial stone of her late husband.<BR><BR><BR><i>Just that something so good just can't function no more <BR>When love, love will tear us apart again....</i><BR><BR>
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Postby arielmoonbow » Tue Apr 01, 2003 9:01 am

An interesting note to the JD/NO music is that people who only have later releases or compilations of NO stuff have remixed and remastered versions which differ greatly from the original versions released by Factory Records on vinyl. I got a real shock when I heard the NO Substance; Temptation was nothing like what I remembered. That's just one example among many songs that were re-recorded by NO later in their career. This sort of bothered me, but I suppose it's their music and they can do with it what they will. <BR>To get the feel of the transitional period of JD morphing into NO, I think Movement and some of the early (original version) singles give the best glimpse of the shift. There's a fantastic album called "The Singles '81-'82" which has Everythings Gone Green (one of my faves), Ceremony, Mesh, Temptation, and Hurt. Unfortunately it's way out of print, but I bet you could find it on ebay or someone could dub it for you. The CD releases do not have the original versions of these songs.<BR>Ariel
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Postby arielmoonbow » Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:18 am

Okay, <BR>I'm going to blather on more about JD/NO, because I'm just in the mood. No one here so far has mentioned Power, Corruption, and Lies, which I always thought was a pretty strong album. Songs like We All Stand and Age of Consent are right up there in the NO oeuvre, really lovely and again with some of Hooky's best bass work (as a bass player myself, I have to say I admire him a lot). <BR>And as for JD, Shadowplay is probably my favorite, next to Warsaw. <BR>If any of you are in the habit of reading Mojo magazine, they had a really good article on New Order (with lots of sidebars and commentary about JD as well) in an issue from last year. I'll look up and see which one it was, if anyone is interested. They interviewed the members of NO and talked to Ian Curtis's widow and his daughter (who looks like an eerily more beautiful version of her dad). It was, as so much of Mojo is, a really good article for those who've loved 'em for years, and for those who are just getting interested in them. <BR>A last word, more trivia: Factory Records New Order vinyl sleeves always had amazing design with lots of intricate punch-outs and heavy cardboard inner sleeves. The Blue Monday single, one of the biggest in NE's early career, was a tremendous seller, but the band lost money on it because it cost so much to reproduce the sleeve!!
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Postby wilko185 » Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:24 pm

<i>I got a real shock when I heard the NO Substance; Temptation was nothing like what I remembered.</i><BR><BR>I've only got the Substance version of Temptation, and I thought it was really quite poorly produced, it sounds very muffled. Unless you've got a later remastered version (on London instead of Factory??)<BR><BR><i>The Blue Monday single, one of the biggest in NE's early career, was a tremendous seller, but the band lost money on it because it cost so much to reproduce the sleeve!! </i><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Typical Factory. I quite recommend the film <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=43&threadid=64194">24 Hour Party People</a> for an account of Factory. <BR>And on Joy Division, Ian Curtis' wife wrote a very readable book called "Touching From a Distance", which apart from anything else includes all Curtis' lyrics, mostly previously unpublished (although you can find them on the 'net, of course).
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Postby fatcatdave » Sat Apr 12, 2003 3:27 pm

Did i mention i met Tony Wilson?<BR><BR>Tell you al about it in Oxford.<BR><BR><BR>robo. tones on tail were purely a David Jay/Kevin haskins project andcLove and Rockets were formed after the break up of bauhaus. Peter went on to write 5 extremely good albums (Which IMO are better than anything L+L did) <BR><BR>Some of us think that Burning from the inside was actually the first L+L album as Pete only wrote two of the songs, and out of all the bauhaus stuff this was definetly the weakest.<BR><BR><BR>You forgot to mention Dalis car, The Sinister Ducks and David Jays solo projects all of which happened during the mighty bauhaus years.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Anyway did i mention I met Tony Wilson?<BR><BR>
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Postby wilko185 » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:27 am

You met Tony Wilson?? I (obviously) forgot to ask you about that in Oxford, but I'd like to hear the story Dave <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I'm actually bumping this thread because a series about the history of Joy Division and New Order is starting on Radio 2 tonight at 9pm, hosted by Mark Radcliffe (continued next Sunday, I assume). Should be interesting <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>.<BR><BR>Non-UK TORCers, or those who have better speakers on their PC than their radio, can access the documentary <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio2_aod.shtml?docu3">here</a>
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Postby misabella » Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:22 pm

I hope this is an appropriate place to mention that I just saw <BR>The Fall <BR>( I consider them to be related to the subject matter---yes?)<BR>this weekend in Chapel Hill, NC, USA.<BR>...ohhhhhhhhh it was very very gooooood...
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Postby wilko185 » Wed Jul 16, 2003 2:53 pm

I don't know that The Fall and New Order have much in common at all, to be honest (apart from both being Manchester bands). <BR><BR>This [also probably isn't the place to say... "hi misabella <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>". Sorry for dropping off the radar (in my usual manner). <BR><BR>I suspect The Fall are better live than on vinyl... Mark E Smith seems more like a performance artist than a rock/pop artist to me - but I'm not a big fan of theirs. I would like to see them live anyway though.
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Postby misabella » Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:29 pm

Weel, then, the tenuous Manchester connection will have to do <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR>Actually, OK, I just wanted to crow about the show...I knew virtually nothing about them, but I still danced about like a wild mad creature.<BR>And, barring further questions, that's all I'll say upon hte digressive topic! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Wilko, you are always forgiven for disappearing off the radar--I'm in a glass house and there fore can't throw stones. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby misabella » Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:29 pm

It must be the fact that I'm taking mathematics in summer school<BR>that made me square my post.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby summoned » Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:43 am

misabella --<BR><BR>I was actually at the same Fall show, and agree that it was quite good. I have some stuff that a friend of mine burned me on CD -- about four CD's worth -- and like them a great deal. Some friends of mine and I drove seven hours to get to the show, but we also went to the show in Atlanta the next night, which was a mich different show. Mark E. Smith destroyed three mikes, and took the mike away from the keyboard player, unplugged the guitar player, left for backstage with the band still playing, and, when the band stopped playing and went backstage to see what was going on, made them come right back up front and start playing again. Bass player broke a string and Mr. Smith would not let him stop playing to fix it. Music was good, but it was total chaos. Encore was Mark E. Smith spoken word over the drummer. I admit that I was kind of expecting that kind of a show, since the last US tour I heard about from the Fall was ended abruptly when Mark E. Smith decked his keyboardist on stage.<BR><BR>As for New Order/Joy Division, I used to love Joy Division more than any other band, but have since fallen into a mild like for them. New Order never really took with me, although I do like <i>Movement</i> quite a bit. Did really enjoy <i>24 Hour Party People</i>.
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Postby fatcatdave » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:37 am

Ah the Fall....<BR><BR><BR><BR>Singing...<BR><BR>Cruisers Creek now..<BR><BR>Oh and the seminal Fall song<BR><BR><BR>Bingo Masters Breakout...<BR><BR><BR><BR>I used to know people who only went to Fall gigs to gaze at Brit Smith<BR><BR><BR>Wilko, tell you about it in Liverpool
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Postby arielmoonbow » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:11 am

Didn't know this thread had been bumped!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Wilko--<i>I've only got the Substance version of Temptation, and I thought it was really quite poorly produced, it sounds very muffled. Unless you've got a later remastered version (on London instead of Factory??)</i> Didn't mean to ignore you on this, ages ago though it's been. I thought the Substance version of Temptation was awful, a real disappointment. Mesh was a totally different song than the one on "Singles '81-'82". Now, the original version of Temptation isn't the best production, either, but there is a really raw, emotional feel to it that I much prefer. I actually own about three different versions of this song--the original; the Substance one; and a picture-sleeve 7" single that I picked up at a record show (back when they used to have such things in my country) and never did figure out why it existed. <BR>I am always happy to dub anything I may have that's out of print for fellow fans, by the way....<BR>As for the Fall, I've loved them ever since I heard "Rebellious Jukebox" on an IRS compilation in the early 80's. "I Am Curious Orange" is a real masterpiece, and much of their early stuff is brilliant, too. Mark E. Smith is-uh an-uh nut-uh.....also, Brix had a little sparkly-pop side project called Adult Net which had some nice singles, too. Worth checking out if you like shimmer and swirl.
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Postby misabella » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:23 am

who better to recommend sparkles, shimmer and swirl that arielmoonbow? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I'd like to look into that. And your sig makes me want to travel to Kentucky, I've always meant to tell you that!<BR><BR>summoned, I am astounded to think that i was in the same dark little, dingy little, club as you--oh, how I wish i had known! I've never gotten to meet anyone from TORC before! <BR>I drove three & 1/2 hours to CH (from SC). Where did they play in Atlanta? Echo Lounge? Anyway, I had a great seat all evening--facing the stage, the right hand platform with the benches against the wall. Redhead--black dress--black glasses--drinking PBR <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>.
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Postby arielmoonbow » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:42 am

misabella--why, thank you!!! I'm definitely a fan of swirly pop from all eras...since swirly pop was invented <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR>I'm totally jealous that you got to see The Fall, BTW, I've never been able to witness the chaos first hand...<BR><BR>This is OT, but if you want to see the moonbow, it occurs at Cumberland Falls. Just look up Cumberland Falls State Resort Park on the web or phone directory, and you can book a room or make plans to camp during a full moon (the moonbow is only visible during the full moon; and you have a better chance of seeing it when the moon is pretty high in the sky). Moonbow or not, it's gorgeous countryside down there.<BR><BR>Back (sort of) on topic, if you want a tape or cdr of Adult Net, any early NO singles, etc., I can do that, too.....<BR><BR>
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Postby summoned » Sat Jul 19, 2003 5:12 pm

misabella --<BR><BR>I was up front, about five people back from the center of the stage. I think I was probably the only person in the entire club wearing a baseball hat, blue T-shirt, drinking High Life. My highlight of the people at the show was the guy slightly in front and to the right of me, who wins the Most Pretentious Person at a Concert award for this year, as he had a copy of Camus's <i>The Fall</i> in his back pocket.<BR><BR>As for Atlanta, yeah, it was Echo Lounge. The sound was actually better at Cat's Cradle. And I am sorry I missed you -- I have yet to run into anyone from TORC myself.
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Postby misabella » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:51 am

well--not to co-opt the Joy Division/New Order thread--but:<BR><BR>summoned--if you know of any upcoming shows that are interesting, e-mail me. I am within reasonable driving distance of Chapel Hill, Greensboro, Charlotte, Asheville, Athens, Atlanta, Augusta...by the way, I'm a big fan of the High Life! I didn't know they had any! <BR><BR>arielmoonbow--considering i never heard the term swirly pop before, I am <i>very</i> intrigued and would love to know more/hear some. One of my nicknames is *demolition pixie*--somehow 8swirly pop* seems to go right along with that image!
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Postby arielmoonbow » Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:40 pm

Hmmmn, misabella<BR>*demolition pixie* eh? Sounds like you and I have some things in common! ><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>perhaps we are OT again, but if you want to email me, it's in my profile (temporarily! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> ). You can email me your snail address if you want a tape or something.<BR>Swirly pop is...well, music where the guitars and keybaords make you feel like you could fly....<BR><BR>summoned, lucky you and misabella!! I'm a bit further out of the cool concert loop.
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Postby wilko185 » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:21 am

fatcatdave wrote:Did i mention i met Tony Wilson?

I don't remember if I heard that story in the end... Anyway, this seems as good a place as any to post that Tony Wilson has died of cancer :(.

There's a good obit on theregister.co.uk, which I'll quote rather than link due to naughty words:
Rare was the day when Anthony Wilson, the Manchester music impresario and local TV presenter who died yesterday, couldn't walk down the street in his home city without a murmur of XXXXXX and XXXX. It was as much as a part of the city as the incessant drizzle.

But Wilson revelled in the role of camp, ironic, antihero and played it to the hilt. In interviews in early June, six months after his cancer had been diagnosed, Wilson fretted that Mancunians were suddenly "being nice to me". This was a shock in such a fiercely unsentimental city.

Music lovers visiting Britain from overseas began skipping London in the 1990s, heading straight for what's now recognised as Britain's great music city - and that owed much of that outrageous charm of Tony Wilson.

In the mid-70s Tony Wilson used his influence at Britain's leading independent TV station Granada to promote The Sex Pistols and a new generation of punk bands, then put his weight and capital behind a small independent club and label in the city. Through fluke, good fortune and a fierce pride in promoting local talent - Wilson had a recording sound genius in producer Martin Hannett, a designer in Peter Saville, and a charismatic genius in Joy Division's Ian Curtis - Factory Records became the first real British independent label since Joe Meek's Triumph Records to gain international kudos. The commercial success of Joy Division (later New Order) was invested in a "New York style" nightclub, the Hacienda, which later became a focal point of Britain's coalescence into a dance culture. This bit of history celebrated in Michael Winterbottom's movie 24 Hour Party People - a generous dramatization of Manchester music mythology.

Manchester's rise to prominence as a world music city coincided with London's decline - and by 1980 the metropolis that gave the world The Who and The Kinks in the 1960s had added nothing but novelty bands (The Joboxers, Right Said Fred... and Blur) until the creative melting pot spewed forth drum and bass, garage, two step and a mass of urban dance music.

Wilson himself had a famously terrible judgement for music and also, for a Piscean, he was notoriously Aquarian when it came to money. He rarely knew what was happening musically in Manchester (he was wary of The Fall and declined to sign The Smiths, and promoted folk music just as acid house was taking off) at any given point in its Factory's history, and he rarely knew who was pocketing the readies from his business endeavours.

He revelled in the role of intellectual fop. In Winterbottom's movie, a cameo Christopher Eccleston playing a drunk recites Petrarchus' cyclical view of history under a railway to invigorate a dispirited Wilson. In real life, Wilson contradicted Victor Lewis-Smith's contention that Oxbridge graduates mention their college at dinner parties within seven minutes - only by invariably mentioning his Cambridge education within the first 180 seconds of meeting. Wilson insisted a vast portrait hung over the box office over the Hacienda.

Yet for all the pretensions, Wilson forged a link between the Jewish cultural entrepreneurs of North Manchester - promoters and managers such as Alan Wise and Elliott Rashman, who were heirs to the tradition of Charles Halle (who the Mancunian novelist Anthony Burgess credited with "civilising England") and the hippy South Manchester scene of CP Lee and Bruce Mitchell.

Cities need such characters.

In the punk era, Liverpool had Bill Drummond and Manchester, for better or worse, had Wilson - both were relentless promoters. While Drummond came and went (to later burn £1m for the heck of it, as an "art project" after his pop success with KLF), Wilson, a Salford Catholic, stayed to the end. Wilson never invested a penny outside the city of Manchester. Thirty miles away over the Pennines, Sheffield had a thriving scene which gave us The Human League and Pulp, and gave a backbone to electro and acid house - but lacked such a svengali as a Drummond or Wilson.

Because Wilson stuck around, with New Order sustaining the Hacienda, he later basked in the light shone by "Madchester", when "even the white boys learned how to dance". Even if he didn't immediately recognize a trend, once he saw it, he promoted it ferociously. And in losing him, the North of England lost a great voice.

In 1992 Wilson set up In The City, a music industry schmoozefest to which this reporter was generously given a keynote [transcript] - "just to shake things up".

Wilson was fabulously utopian about the potential of music, never more so than in this quote to biographer Bill Sykes, who's writing a life of the great scene maker and music promoter Roger Eagle:

"I always think that what Richard Boon and Howard Devoto did bringing the Pistols to Manchester on June 4th [1976] was the same thing as the Germans putting Lenin into a cattle cart and sending the railway train into Russia," he said last year.

"They sent this firebrand, this spark to XXXX up the Russians, which of course it did. It caused a revolution."

We couldn't ever admit as much on earth, but we'll miss you so much, Anthony H Wilson.
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Re: Joy Division / New Order [RIP Tony Wilson]

Postby heliona » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:25 am

Well, as I knew that Wilko would have started a thread on Joy Division, I dug through the vaults and found this! I am bumping this thread for a reason, though.

On Sunday (7th July), Wilko and I went to see New Order live at Jodrell Bank. The Observatory puts on a series of concerts every year, called The Transmissions - Live from Jodrell Bank (Perhaps the person who named it was a Joy Division fan.). New Order were supported by Johnny Marr (ex-guitarist of The Smiths and he and Bernard Sumner of New Order and Joy Division were also in a band called Electronic) as well as others.

Anyway, New Order were really good. Although I think it says something that their best performances were the Joy Division songs (their entire encore was Joy Division) - although as Joy Division is more to my taste anyway, I may be slightly biased! Johnny Marr's set's best songs were the Smiths' ones too, so there was a pattern.

However, by far the best thing about the gig for me was the location. Sitting on the grass, in the shadow of the huge Lovell telescope, listening to music was brilliant. Even better was the fact that that day they'd been listening to pulsars and in the evening, they turned the dish so it faced the audience and images were projected onto it. Above it, Saturn was rising. Dancing to "Transmission" (Joy Division) was perfect - highly appropriate considering the words and of course the cover of the album "Unknown Pleasures" was the signals from a pulsar. (Although of course "Transmission" wasn't from that album.) I'm pretty sure I was only one of a few people who understood that reference and how appropriate it was! (Yep, I'm an über-geek!)

There are some photos of the gig taken by me here and there are official photographs (obviously of a much higher quality) here - the NO gig was Transmission 5.
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Re: Joy Division / New Order [RIP Tony Wilson]

Postby Dunthule » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:36 pm

Awesome pics heliona. 8)
That sounds like a fantastic time had by all. :-D
I hope I am not mis-labeling them as 'techno-pop', but what a great venue to see them and hear their style of songs.
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Re: Joy Division / New Order [RIP Tony Wilson]

Postby heliona » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:24 pm

They probably are. Certainly as they grew in popularity they became more electronic. As I said, I prefer Joy Division ans their renditions of the JD songs were pretty good. JD would never be classified as "techno-pop". :D
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