"So after think about Jordan as "prominent worldbuilder" I decided to be brave and stand up for my opinion this time. I don't really agree with that at all. "
"His world just doesn't feel real, it seems more like a stage and I don't like the shape of it, it just seems to be a rectangle with random kingdoms and towns scattered around. Erikson's world seems real, it has real history and it has known change and different civilisations, it's real and Jordan's world seems more like a stage or a movie prop."
" But in my eyes for example Robin Hobb is a lot better at building worlds. "
BornofFantasy wrote:"The first hundred pages of A Game of Thrones is, in my opinion, the weakest part of ASOIAF."
If I had to critique it, I would agree. This is the most common complaint regarding the series, getting into the begining of the first novel. However when regarding a very long novel, 100 pages in introducing a major family like House Stark is hardly inappropriate in my opinion. Lots of information in these pages.
" Martin's excessive use of fake deaths "
What is excessive? When comparing it to the number of real deaths, of actual real characters it more then equals out, in my opinion. People have to understand this series started out in a setting where magic was almost non-existant, with the coming of magic more "fantastic" aspects are going to occur...it is after all Fantasy. What death in aprticular bothers people or for that matter fake death? I would be most interested to know so we can debate a issue, and not an idea:)
"I tend to place a higher value on great worldbuilding than great characterisation."
So you like Jordan, in my opinion and often regarded as the preminent world builder in the genre (no matter how lousy his work has become), better than both aSoIaF and Erickson?? Or Ed Greenwood, the creator of The Forgotten Realms better then either? I hope not....
"Consider the POVs that Martin has used so far: Bran, Arya, Jon, Sansa, Dany, Ned, Catelyn, Tyrion, Theon, Sam, Davos, Jaime. Of those twelve only *two* have actually died (Ned and Catelyn), with one of those being brought back from the grave - so of the POV characters only one has actually died and stayed dead."
"By contrast, of those twelve we have had fake deaths of Tyrion, Bran, Theon, Davos, and Arya (the one where she is hit on the head with an axe at the end of the chapter was by far the worst, being entirely gratuitous). Add in such non-POV character fake deaths as Rickon and (probably) Sandor, and I think it is clear that Martin overplays his hand on this one. "
BornofFantasy wrote:Denethor, if possible we could continue such discussion in the Martin thread, if you don't mind, I am interested in going on further in it as I just don't agree with these survivors, being labeled fake deaths.
"I find Erikson to be superior to both Jordan and Gygax as a worldbuilder. Jordan good --> Erikson better. "
"As for Gygax, Forgotten Realms isn't in the same league at all."
"Assuming that Jordan was the supreme worldbuilder, and that other authors are following in his footsteps in the way they create their worlds (a statement I do not agree with at all)"
"why would that influence be a bad thing?"
"There is lots of good fantasy before the ones you mention, and they have nothing to do with Gygax. Le Guin, Moorcock, Vance, Peake, etc."
You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.
Mithfânion wrote:In other words, we're getting back to the main story arc. Erikson has already stated the books will follow a much more linear story arc from now one, without the excursions like Midnight Tides. Which is cool because that means the story is so big that he needs those five books to really tell the main story arc.
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