Malazan Book of the Fallen by Steven Erikson

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Postby boffuk » Fri Apr 27, 2001 12:35 am

Anybody heard of The Malazan Book of the Fallen?
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Postby Epor » Fri Apr 27, 2001 12:12 pm

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Postby boffuk » Sat Apr 28, 2001 5:53 am

<a target=new href="http://www.malazanempire.com">http://www.malazanempire.com</a><BR>You may want to check this out
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Postby Mithfânion » Fri Nov 02, 2001 8:34 am

Bumping this since I'd like to hear more reviews of this one. Apparently his series is very original.<BR><BR>
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Postby Nerdanel » Fri Nov 02, 2001 9:36 am

I'm giving the first two books as a present from me to me this Christmas. I hope it will be a similarly rewarding experience as David Farland last Christmas.
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Postby Mithfânion » Sat Nov 03, 2001 10:34 am

<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Nerdanel<BR><BR>I'm asking the first book, Gardens of the moon for Christmas as well. I get the impression these are very cool.<BR><BR>That will be a one book-filled Christmas, with <i>Storm of Swords</i> and <i>The Last Unicorn</i> "ordered" as well.
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Postby Rhaegar » Sat Nov 03, 2001 11:39 am

I've read Gardens of the Moon, which is the first book of Erikson's Malazan series. I found it to be an ambitious effort, but it certainly isn't the mindblowing experience that GRRM's ASoIaF is. The plot is very nearly as complex as Martin's, but Erikson's characters come across as somewhat flat and generic. Worth a read though.<BR><BR>Unlike Martin, who uses magic sparingly, Erikson's series is literally bursting with magical events. For those who like LOTS of magic, this may be the series for you.
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Postby Mithfânion » Sat Nov 03, 2001 2:13 pm

<i>Unlike Martin, who uses magic sparingly, Erikson's series is literally bursting with magical events. For those who like LOTS of magic, this may be the series for you. </i><BR><BR>That would be... me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>I love ancient races and interesting forms of magic. It's the main reason why I read Fantasy. Else I might as well read standard fiction or non fiction. There are apparently several ancient races involved, several human races as well, magicians, warriors and most importantly, they make use of a truly original kind of magic, not your typical D&D laserlike stuff. Sounds like an exciting series to me, sort of like a Song of Ice and Fire WITH magic.<BR><BR>Again, magic isn't the keyword, innovative magic is. If it is, I don't care if it is used a plenty. Apparently there are some very impressive characters in there though. Also, it seems as if Erikson has gone to great trouble to give his world some history, like both Martin and Tolkien did as well. That makes it a more worthwile read for me, if there's something in there I can actually study about that world.<BR>
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Postby Moonbiter » Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:01 am

I'm on the fourth book in this series now, and it just gets better all the time. I wish he would hurry up with number five, but then again, I don't want to rush him.
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Postby ChrisAns » Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:01 pm

Yeah Midnight Tides isn't due out til March now. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> The books are finally going to be published in the States some time next year, should get more Erikson converts after that.
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Postby Moonbiter » Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:27 am

You mean they aren't out there yet?<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> What's up with that? The guy's Canadian!
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Postby Nerdanel » Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:12 am

Apparently the series was considered too complex and demanding for the American audience. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> This is the same kind of thinking that got Harry Potter and Philosopher's Stone renamed.<BR><BR>EDIT - Think of the oldbies! Don't change the smiley codes!
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Postby ChrisAns » Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:25 am

I think the official line was that the story was too convuluted or complicated for the US audience, which I guess translates to no one thinking it would sell down there. Makes it all the more impressive that he has an following at all down there much less the large one he is gaining. Still, there does seem to be a much greater percentage of Canadians and Europeans on the official message board than at the other fantasy boards that I follow: <a href='http://www.malazan.com/6/ubb.x' target=_blank>http://www.malazan.com/6/ubb.x</a>
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Postby Moonbiter » Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:46 am

Holeee... Now there's one I haven't heard before!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I'm not going there, but... YIKES!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR> Although I think he gets increasingly more complex by the book, I wouldn't think it should be a problem for anyone but the youngest readers. He's even made an effort to let people jump into the series in any of the books without losing much of the story. That takes some serious thinking.
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Postby Epor » Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:05 pm

The storyline can be a bit confusing at times, Deadhouse Gates in particular. Not that I buy the idea that Americans would somehow be less able to follow it than anyone else.<BR><BR>How is it a problem that it hasn't been "published" in the US? I mean, one can still buy it from Amazon.com or some other such online shop. I guess if someone buys all their books from bookstores...<BR><BR>Bite the sacred apple<BR>suck the poison<BR>enjoy the taste
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Postby ChrisAns » Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:09 pm

I seem to remember that it only came available on the US Amazon not too long ago, some time earlier this year maybe <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0> Not sure how that worked. I don't think you get the kind of promotion for a book not actually in the store, certainly no impulse pick ups. Plus the stigma that if he can't get a publisher there, he must not be that good a writer. I'm not sure why there was so much trouble getting it to the States. He's been fairly popular for a couple of years now and talk of him getting a US carrier has been going on since I first heard about the series.
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Postby Moonbiter » Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:27 am

I guess it might be too much of a competition for George RR Martin.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> Oh, they've just brought back the T'Lann Imass. I LOVE those undead butchers... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Nerdanel » Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:13 am

I have read an interview with Erikson in which he said something to the effect that the suits in the US didn't like to admit they had been wrong about the books being too difficult for general audience, and that's why it had taken so long to get published there.
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Postby ChrisAns » Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:13 am

Hmmm, suits don't usually let personal feelings get in the way of the all mighty dollar signs. Guess that's why they eventually gave in...<BR><BR>The T'lan Imass have the potential to be one of the greatest fantasy races ever. At first it seemed "oh yeah, more undead types, kinda cool and make them 300,000 years old so that makes em way cooler" but then Erikson gives them increasing depth. A whole people who have out lived their gods; the realization that as a race they have come to regret their decision, but have no easy way out; the twist of some of them doing exactly what the Tyrants had done to them in acting like gods; Onrack's childlike curosity mixed with unquestioning brutality and dry humor contrasted with the shock of his pivotal role in the shaping of the world. And Itkovian's role in their storyline is one the best parts of the series.
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Postby ChrisAns » Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:19 am

Seems like time for favorite quotes <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>possible spoilers<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From Memories of Ice:<BR><BR>The Tenescowri rose like an inexorable flood against every wall of the city. Rose, then swept over, a mass of humanity driven mad by hunger. Gate barricades buckled to the pressure, then gave way.<BR>And Capustan drowned.<BR><BR><BR>I am Fener's grief. I am the world's grief. And I will hold. I will hold it all, for we are not yet done.<BR><BR><BR>From House of Chains:<BR><BR>Another example of a creature that had hated him on first sight. Though perhaps the black rippled blade swinging at its head had tainted its response.
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Postby Mithfânion » Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:42 pm

Just mentioning that I have obtained a copy of book 5, Midnight Tides. I'm very excited, next to the new books by Kay (which is also out now), Martin (which hopefully will be released somewhere in this decade), Bakker and Williams, this is one of the most highly anticipated books to come out this year.
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Postby Epor » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:58 am

Re-reading the series from the start just now, since I want to have everything fresh in mind before I start on Midnight Tides. Gotten as far as Deadhouse Gates, and <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0>, I had forgotten just how emotionally grating & intense the Felisin storyline was. <BR><BR>Bite the sacred apple<BR>suck the poison<BR>enjoy the taste
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Postby Epor » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:18 am

A few quotes from Deadhouse Gates I liked:<BR><BR><em>This is where our bones will rest, humps and ripples in the sand. Then, one day, even those signs will be gone. We've reached the shore, where Hood awaits and no-one else. A journey of the spirit as much as of the flesh. I welcome an end to both.</em><BR><BR>and<BR><BR>She looked over at the severed heads. The eyes did not blink. They were drying, crackling like egg white splashed on hot cobblestones. <em>Like mine. Too much has been seen. Far too much.</em> If demons rose from the waters around them right now she would feel no shock, only a wonder that they had taken so long to appear <em>and could you be swift in ending it all, now? Please.</em><BR><BR>Bite the sacred apple<BR>suck the poison<BR>enjoy the taste
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Postby Epor » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:22 am

On Memories of Ice now, again with a favorite quote or two:<BR><BR>"Anomander Rake was an ascendant as unlike Caladan Brood as to make them seem the opposite ends of power's vast spectrum. Rake was an atmosphere, a heart-thudding, terror-threaded presence no one could ignore, much less escape. Violence, antiquity, sombre pathos and darkest horror - the Son of Darkness was a gelid eddy in immortality's current, and the Mhybe could feel, crawling beneath her very skin, every Rhivi spirit awakened in desperation." <BR><BR>and of course this one, which does take place in MoI, though it's first seen in Gardens of the Moon: <BR><BR>"Kallor said: 'I walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I have commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I have spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?'<BR>'Yes,' said Caladan Brood, 'you never learn'"<BR><BR>Bite the sacred apple<BR>suck the poison<BR>enjoy the taste
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Postby Epor » Tue May 11, 2004 9:47 am

Finished House of Chains just now, will soon start on Midnight Tides. Too bad Karsa apparently wont be in it. :(

Only one quote this time.

"Friends? L'oric, we were too powerful to know friendship. Our endeavours far too fierce. Our war was with chaos itself, and at times, with each other. We battled to shape all that would follow. And some of us lost that battle. Do not misapprehend, I held no deep enmity for you father. Rather, he was as unfathomable as the rest of us - a bemusement we all shared, perhaps the only thing we shared."

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Postby Denethor » Sun May 16, 2004 4:00 pm

Having seen the cover art for the soon to be released US edition of Gardens of the Moon, I suddenly feel very sorry for Americans:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0765310015.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

This is perhaps the worst cover art I've seen this side of Darrell K. Sweet. I suppose that the guy on the horse is supposed to be Paran, but I'm not sure about the woman. If it's Tattersail, the artist has completely missed the fact that she's supposed to be plump. If it's Adjunct Lorn or someone else, I'm not sure why they would warrant such a prominent place on the cover.
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Postby Epor » Mon May 17, 2004 8:08 am

Started on Midnight Tides a few days back, and I'm happy to say my concerns that the story taking place on a different continent without any of the old characters present (well Trull Sengar is there, but he was introduced in House of Chains and wasn't particularly interesting) would make for a slightly disappointing read were unfounded.

The opening is monumental to say the least. Hundreds of thousands Tiste Andii and Tiste Edur, led by Anomander Rake's younger brother and his Edur counterpart, fighting 60 000 K'Chain Che'Malle! Elder Gods and Jaghut in attendance!


Denethor:
Not only does that cover have nothing to do with the book but it's ugly too. I never was sure who the cloaked guy with the lightning sword on the cover of Gardens... was supposed to be, but the "mood" of the picture seemed fitting somehow, and at least it looked ok.

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Postby Denethor » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:47 pm

I've finally managed to get my hands on my library's edition of Midnight Tides, and am currently through 176 pages (out of about 690). The prologue, with the immense battle scene, is certainly truly spectacular, and really does set the scene well for the Tiste Edur storyline with its dark and heavy magic (the Lether-city storyline is good too, and I am so far appreciating the macabre humour, but currently I'm finding it less interesting). So far at least, Midnight Tides seems a step up from what I personally thought was a bit of a disappointing House of Chains.

Epor: I always thought that that cloaked guy on the cover was Anomander Rake with Dragnipur. Though I will admit that it is fairly ambiguous.
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Postby Epor » Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:04 am

I didn't find House of Chains disappointing as such, though it does fall short of the brilliant previous Memories of Ice (best book of the series thus far, IMO). Karsa Orlong just doesn't leave room for disappointment. :P

I like how Midnight Tides expands the world, taking place in somewhere no-one has heard of the Malazan empire, or of almost anything else we've come to be familiar with during the course of the previous books (though this is explained by more than just geographical distance).

There are lots of new bits of information that help to explain things that happened in the previous books, for example, getting a glimpse of Gothos' power his son Icarium seems a bit less inexplicable.

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Postby Falagar » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:52 am

Just started Memories of Ice. :)
Erikson's prose (though good) isn't as good as Martin's and his characters not so interesting, but his plot is very intriguing.

Favorite moment in the series thus far must be: SPOILER















From Deadhouse Gates:

Coltaine's last stand. The following passages made me want to murder Pommeroy (sp?)...slowly...
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