I am sick and tired of all the Harry Potter hype

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Postby Witchwench » Thu Jul 20, 2000 1:32 am

Seriously, I have never read the books so I cannot comment on that issue, I'm just sick and tired of everywhere I turn I see and hear something about Harry Potter. I wonder if the same reaction will happen to people with LOTR's when the movie hype starts up and people who are not fans of the book start getting bombarded with all the commercial hype. <BR><BR>For all you Potter thread starters dont get upset, when I say I'm sick and tired of seeing Potter everywhere I turn, I'm not including the message board, I'm talking about commercials, news, stores etc...
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Postby Shadowjack » Thu Jul 20, 2000 2:53 am

They even have his books on the check out stand at Albertsons here...<BR>I have never read any of his books,so I will not make a judgement.. but it is kinda wierd........
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Postby Draugluin » Thu Jul 20, 2000 3:44 am

I also am sick of Harry Potter. I just heard that there is a movie in the works and it will be released at the same time as Fellowship of the Ring! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> Which one will you go see?
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Postby Shadowjack » Thu Jul 20, 2000 3:49 am

Hey Draugluin.. <BR><BR>Go to the "other authors" section of this msg board... think you will like it there...<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby The_Grey_Pilgrim » Thu Jul 20, 2000 5:12 am

WitchWench,<BR><BR>I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. The only difference that I draw between Potter and LotR is that Potter, right now, seems like a money making fad, whereas LotR is an enduring classic.<BR><BR>It will be interesting to see whether or not Potter stands up to the test of time.
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Postby Nienna » Thu Jul 20, 2000 5:53 am

I hate the hype, too, and I think in the end it will do more harm than good for the Potter series (Lizzie has lost interest, so I don't know much about the new book). I don't think the hype we'll see about LotR will hurt it, but it does make me cringe to think of all the tacky merchandising and bad book covers.
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Postby IIIIIIGandalfIIIIII » Thu Jul 20, 2000 7:29 am

I feel bad for the author. I am supposing the first few books were decent kids stories. Then they realized how much profit he was making them. I bet they pressured this poor sob to produce and produce without regard for the artistic deadline. We need that book for Christmas dammit! Anyway, I kinda feel this is what happened with the last two Robert Jordan Books and I hope he takes his time this run and gives the readers something worth consuming. Tie up some plot lines for pete's sake!
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Postby Shelrond » Thu Jul 20, 2000 7:46 am

I've said it before; I love the Potter books.<BR>The hype doesn't bother me. I'd rather hear <BR>about Harry Potter 100 times a day than listen<BR>to how the youth of today is going to hell in <BR>a handbasket.<BR>Isn't it better for kids to be carrying Harry<BR>Potter books than Uzi's?<BR>
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Postby Beleg » Thu Jul 20, 2000 7:56 am

I tried to read 'Prisoner of Azkhaban' [sic?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>] Couldn't get past page 30 or so, real boring. But I agree with Shelrond: at least it beats going goth and blowing up the lunchroom. And, Gandalf, the author is a woman, pretty well educated and just between jobs when she started writing these things up. The general tone seems to be akin to Roald Dahl (who might even be an inspiration, for all I know), with a touch of Douglas Adams. Now, these are pretty good forebears, but I don't read them very much: simply too childlike to keep my attention.<BR><BR>The hype, IMHO, is just this month's press sensation, to avoid having to think clearly about deeper adult issues. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>
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Postby Durin VIII » Thu Jul 20, 2000 8:02 am

While I am sick of the hype I am not sick of Harry Potter. They are great books and I am betting they will stand the test of time. I agree with Shelrond on this one.<BR><BR>One quick thought about people worrying that she will start to crank them out. She had the entire series (7 books) outlined before the first one was ever sold. So far she has stuck to that outline. If we start to see Harry held back a year in school or start graduate school then I will worry.<BR><BR>
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Postby The_Grey_Pilgrim » Thu Jul 20, 2000 8:14 am

Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other? So if kids are not reading Potter then they will be committing heinous crimes? I have also heard the argument that "I am for whatever will get kids to read more." I don't know, I guess it just seems to me that I would rather my kids read classics than anything at all. I would rue the day when I hear people say, "Hey, at least my kid is reading. So what if it is the Penthouse Letters?"<BR><BR>For those of you who love the books, great. I have no qualms about anyone liking the books. People will like what they like and that is all personal choices. I just don't agree with the sweeping justifications for letting kids read this, or any other books for that matter, since it is better then them totting guns.
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Postby MagicFlea » Thu Jul 20, 2000 10:00 am

If she was being pressured to get the book done, it wouldn't have been 730 pages long. And ist obvious she knew exactly what she was going to write from the moment she started. They really are great, and she has an ability few other authors have. You are right to not pass judgement if you haven't read it yet
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Postby Shelrond » Thu Jul 20, 2000 10:24 am

I also agree that kids should read the "classics", but<BR>any reading, whether it's Plato or Playboy, gives the<BR>reader a broader (no pun intended) view of the world.<BR>What they read might be heinous. I had to read Hitler's<BR>Mein Kampf in High School. The ideology was loathsome<BR>but knowing the perspective of your enemies makes it easier<BR>to fight them.<BR>And the more perspectives you have, simplistic or complex,<BR>the better your chances of a whole world view of everything.<BR>IMHO - <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby The_Grey_Pilgrim » Thu Jul 20, 2000 10:52 am

Shelley I agree. However, the classics should be the foundation. In that way the kids have the werewithall and the understanding to be able to read something like MEIN KAMPF and say, "Hey! This guy is nuts!"<BR><BR>I know of a lot of kids who are reading GOOSEBUMPS, SWEET VALLEY HIGH, and the POTTER books and nothing else. This really is the only worldview which they will get.<BR><BR>Me feeling is that these books are ok only after the foundation has been laid istead of being the foundation itself.
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Postby Shelrond » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:09 am

Hey Grey,<BR><BR>You've got me there. If they are reading only<BR>one type of book, they'll have a very limited<BR>view. But this also goes for the kids that ONLY<BR>read Tolkien.<BR>They should also try Harry Potter or Sweet Valley<BR>High, if for no other reason than to prove to themselves<BR>that Tolkien is as great as they thought.<BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>ps - This is the kind of give and take discussion I love!
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Postby peregin2k » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:11 am

Shelrond,<BR>I haven't read Mein Kamph, yet, that sounds interesting. Hey, don't get me wrong I just want to see how his mind works. You should have seen the look on my mom's face when she saw me reading Karl Marx's Red book. She wants me to burn it, but in fact, I needed it for a debate in school. Yes, you need to know the perspective of your enemies. <BR><BR>When I was a kid my friends were reading "Hardy Boys" mysteries which I thought was for sissies. I'd rather read Greek and Norse mythology.
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Postby The_Grey_Pilgrim » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:14 am

I would agree that reading only Tolkien would be a tragedy. I do think that in reading Tolkien, however, one my have their appetite whetted for a wide range of other types of books. Speaking only for myself I know that after reading LotR I was drawn into reading a lot about medieval history.<BR><BR>No, I am sure that this is possible with the Potter's and other books mentioned as well. But it seems to me that classics lend themselves to classics. <BR><BR>Well this is just my opinion on the matter and it is far from Gospel fact.
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Postby Shelrond » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:17 am

Peregin2K,<BR><BR>I tried reading the Hardy Boys but never could get into it.<BR>Karl Marx needed to punch up his work with more jokes!<BR><BR>If you like mythology, which I do as well, try this site<BR>if you haven't already.<BR><BR>http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/<BR><BR>Sort of a biographical Who's Who in the myth biz.<BR><BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby peregin2k » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:34 am

Thanks! I'll check it out later.
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Postby PingUnderTheMountain » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:52 am

Grey Pilgrim, I agree that children should be well-read, but I don't think I would want my seven-year-old (if I had one) reading "Madame Bovary," for example. I have no problem with my kids reading Lloyd Alexander or JK Rowling or other kids books, as long as they do keep reading other things. I read Tolkien and Alexander at about the same time as a kid and loved them both, even though I knew they weren't the same "style" or whatever. <BR><BR>I think the most important thing with kids, and something that keeps getting lost in the shuffle, is that parents need to talk to them. Concerned your kid's going to start into black magic because she reads fantasy? TALK TO HER!!! Concerned your kid isn't reading enough or paying enough attention to world issues? TALK TO THEM!!!!!<BR><BR>*ahem*<BR><BR>I love Harry Potter, but hate hype. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby MagicFlea » Thu Jul 20, 2000 11:52 am

But if Harry Potter is something that can get kids who would otherwise be watching tv into reading, then it is a good thing. A kid interested in Harry Potter could easily be inclined to check out Tolkien
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Postby Eleanorae » Sat Aug 05, 2000 8:35 am

I agree, Magic Flea (thats sad - it rhymes)<BR><BR>I think a lot of people worry too much. I read nothing but Enid Blyton for years as a kid over and over and over again...and none of it made a racsist bigot or even a narrow minded reader...she taught me to <b>love</b> the art of reading, so much so that I ventured into the world of Lewis, Price, Dahl, Swift...and to the Hobbit and Tolkien. As a teenager I read an incredibly diverse range of books<BR>Im my opinion, Rowling, has done an excellent job with the Potter Series, the characterisation is excellent. I've only read the first one, and will happily buy the rest to read.<BR><BR>I don't even mind the hype. Is it so wrong to have a crowded bookshop?? Hopefully the kids will be encouraged to try it to see what this reading fuss is all about...once they start reading, they could be dragged into the papery world forever.....<BR><BR>
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Postby Red Blood » Sat Aug 05, 2000 5:25 pm

I work at a book store and I dont care either way...
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