My thoughts on the HP books

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Postby zacd » Sat Sep 23, 2000 3:39 pm

lissuin I think you just want to be different and that's why you refuse to like the books.
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Postby Lissuin » Sat Sep 23, 2000 7:04 pm

no........i just have read other books and i think they are much better. besides everybody has different tastes. like some people like harry potter and others don't. just as simple as that.
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Postby Xatia » Wed Sep 27, 2000 11:26 am

I never liked Enid Blyton - I always found her too sickly sweet for my taste - but I really did enjoy J.K.Rowling. IMHO, Harry Potter starts as a childrens book in the 1st book, enjoyable, but for kids. The second book gave my sisters (who are in the age range it is recomended for and can read Tolkien easily) nightmares and the third was even more complex. By the time you get to the fourth it seems like an adult book hidden under the smooth writing that makes it attractive to kids.<BR><BR>A lot of people I know my age like the books. But, as others have said, you can't make a decision until you've read all 4. The same style of writing holds an ever more complex plot.<BR><BR>Would you like an explanation of the game of Quidditch? I'm pretty sure it makes sense <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby TimWalters » Wed Sep 27, 2000 1:33 pm

Quidditch doesn't make a lick of sense. Catching the Squinch (sorry if that's the wrong term) scores so many points that the rest of the game is irrelevant. Yes, I know there's a counterexample, but it's completely contrived and unconvincing.<BR><BR>Rowling had a good idea (school for young magicians), but unfortunately she's not a good enough writer to make the most of it. She doesn't have control over her tone, which swings wildly from cartoonish to realistic; she doesn't bother to do the work necessary to make her world come alive, instead just making it up as she goes along to put her creaky plots in motion; and her prose and characterization are pedestrian. The books have their moments, and I enjoy them, but they don't even come up to the level of children's classics like _The Phantom Tollbooth_ or _A Wrinkle In Time_, much less compare favorably with LOTR.<BR><BR>Sorry if this seems harsh--at least I'm holding back in the Orson Scott Card thread. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby zacd » Wed Sep 27, 2000 2:42 pm

tim based on what you've said it's obvious you haven't read all 4 books. In the fourth book one team catches the snitch but the other team wins you're just being a dork
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Postby TimWalters » Wed Sep 27, 2000 2:49 pm

zacd, based on what you've said it's clear you didn't read my post, where I mentioned the exact incident you're talking about. You're just being a dork.<BR>
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Postby zacd » Thu Sep 28, 2000 11:51 am

you just want to be different because everyone likes harry potter you just want to make everyone mad at you. dorkiest
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Postby TimWalters » Thu Sep 28, 2000 1:47 pm

zacd,<BR><BR>I assure you that I'm well past the age where I "just want to be different." A book's popularity or lack thereof has no effect on my opinion. For example, I'm on this site because I love the Lord of the Rings, one of the most popular novels of the century.<BR><BR>Nor am I here to rain on anyone's parade. There are plenty of books being discussed on this board that I flat out don't like, and I could go into those threads and say "XYZ sucks!". But that would be boring and pointlessly negative.<BR><BR>The Harry Potter books, though, are a mixed bag for me--they have their good points and their bad points--and that makes them more interesting to talk about. I've outlined some of the problems I have with the books, thinking that they might be worthy of discussion. This is not, as far as I know, the Harry Potter Worship Zone, and flaws and virtues are both open for debate.<BR><BR>If you really want people to love the books, you'd be better off countering my arguments instead of just accusing me (and Lissuin) of lying, which is tiresome, rude, and childish.<BR><BR>To end on a more positive note: has anyone read the other currently "hot" fantasy juveniles, THE GOLDEN COMPASS and THE SUBTLE KNIFE by Philip Pullman? These are outstanding books, very original, rich, and strange, although possibly a bit dark for younger readers (much more so than, say, Harry Potter IV). The action is set in a parallel world where people's souls are externalized in the form of an animal, which acts as a sort of familiar; children's souls are malleable, and their familiar can change from one sort of animal to another, but adults are "set." In the second book, contact is developed between this world and Earth. I don't want to give too much away, but the conflict in the books is of epic, even theological, scope--resembling Narnia in that way, although much more ambiguous. The third and final volume is supposed to be released next month--I'll be there with my dime in my fist.
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Postby zacd » Fri Sep 29, 2000 11:03 am

tim i admit i was being childish, but the fact that you point out flaws in the harry potter books that aren't flaws in the least, merely mis comprehension on your part outrages me. I hardly made false accusations i would never and will never accuse anyone of anything unless i was 100\% sure that it was accurate. i can except that you don't like harry potter books but bsed on the you talk about the books and how you point out flaws in the books I think the reason you don't like the harry potter books is solely duue to your lack of comprehension
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Postby TimWalters » Fri Sep 29, 2000 12:28 pm

In my haste and annoyance, I wrote something in this space that was nastier than necessary. Apologies to zacd and anyone who read it.<BR><BR>Here's my new response:<BR><BR>"Whatever."<BR><BR>
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Postby Thengel » Fri Sep 29, 2000 1:09 pm

There is a lot of "Children's" Literature that is fun to read as an adult. Harry Potter is just the latest. It is light reading, but you could say that about most of the titles on the best-seller list.<BR><BR>I just finished the fourth book and things do seem to have taken a darker turn, don't they? I wonder what is next?<BR><BR>Arrrgh! I hate waiting. Write faster Rowling.<BR><BR><BR>zacd - A piece of advice. Insulting other people is generally not going to be a convincing argument (at least not to anyone who's opinion matters).
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Postby Xatia » Sun Oct 01, 2000 4:15 am

I think I understand Quidditch. The large amount of points you can get for catching the Snitch means the rest of the game has to be fast and furious. Remembering that the wizarding world is a totally different community from ours, what would make the game pointless to us makes it more exciting for them.<BR><BR>I think zacd is being a little over-zealous, however. People can enjoy the books without liking the style they're written in. I like the Riftwar Saga by Raymond Feist, but his style seems over-dramatic and juvenile in places. That doesn't mean that people who like the series and don't agree with me have any reason to hate me or denounce me. A lot of people do dislike HP to be different, but someone who dislikes it because they see flaws in the author's style are totally different. J.K. Rowling is not a perfect writer, just a good one.
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