Are the Dragon Lance novels any good?

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Postby **Gilluin_Bluestar** » Wed Dec 06, 2000 3:05 pm

I started reading the Dragonlance chronicles today...is it any good?
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Postby Durin VIII » Wed Dec 06, 2000 3:15 pm

Well since you are reading it you should be able to answer that question. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I am somewhat biased in that I have been following DL since the first short stories came out in 83/84. I also had Tracey Hickman be a GM for me at Gen Con for some DL events in 84 a few months before the first novel came out. So I have liked it for many years now, and Hickman and Weiss are really nice people.<BR><BR>It is certainly not the greatest novels ever written, but they are fun to read and always entertain me. The 2nd trilogy is a little better since they broke were not based on gaming modules.<BR>
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Postby Tovar » Wed Dec 06, 2000 7:19 pm

"GM"?
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Postby virtue1st » Wed Dec 06, 2000 9:39 pm

GM = GameMaster, the general non-D&D term for an RPG referee (which are called DMs, or Dungeon Masters, in D&D lingo, of course).<BR><BR>Anywho, I'd recommend the DragonLance Chronicles and Legends Trilogies, and the 5 or so short stories written by Weis/Hickman, that deal with the children of the Heroes of the Lance. The two trilogies are alot of fun.<BR><BR>Most of the DL stuff after that isn't really worth it, especially if it's not written by the original authors. And even Weis and Hickman lost their touch in their later offerings, IMO.<BR><BR>
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Postby Shadowjack » Thu Dec 07, 2000 4:10 am

**Gilluin_Bluestar**<BR><BR>I think there great.. I like almost all of the books. And I love (spell) Raistlin. He is the best wizard/sorcerer.. etc.. that I have come across. Most of the books are great.<BR><BR>A side note.. try the Spell Jammer series... not the same authors.. but interconnected to the same world.... I loved those to... although I think another one should be printed.... got left sorta stranded in the last one.. and open ending..
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Postby Thorn707 » Thu Dec 07, 2000 9:32 am

I first read the series when I was still in high school; I enjoy it very much. It doesn't possess the depth of Tolkien, but it's easy to fall for the characters and the world they have created.<BR><BR>The problem I have with the series is that it is (nearly) impossible to read and digest it all. The series goes through growth periods in which it seems a new novel is published every 2 weeks. There must be between 60-80 DL books out there now...<BR><BR>It's reminds me of the Star Wars books; I want to read them all (though honestly some aren't worth it), but I need to go to work and sleep and eat too...
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Postby The Gaffer » Sun Dec 10, 2000 12:15 pm

good enough to get me to post on this thread. Are they as good as Lotr? No, but they are worth reading at least once. I found myself caring about the characters, especially Raistlin and Tas. I liked the characters and the stories, but thought that they could have been more developed, the stories that is, but overall not too bad. <BR><BR>If you have not read them and you have the time then definitely read them. Especially if you post on here. It is like required reading almost for fantasy lovers. That would be a good thread. "Required readings for fantasy affecianados" Anyone care to start that up? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Nerdanel » Sun Dec 10, 2000 2:41 pm

I read the Chronicles and Legends in junior high. I really liked them and it was hard for me to wait for the translation of the next volume to come out. In the first book you could hear the dice rolling, but that lessened considerably in the subsequent novels. I'm intending to read the series again sometime to know what I think of them now.<BR><BR>In the subsequent books I have read I have noticed a considerable drop in quality. The best ones were readable, but some were just terrible. Jean Rabe in particular has gotten much bad press, and from the one short story by her I have read, I think she deserves it all.
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Postby Reuel » Mon Dec 11, 2000 7:28 pm

My first venture into Fantasy was Hobbit/LotR/Silmarillion (in that order) and I loved them all (especially LotR and Silmarillion). When I was done, I wanted more and searched the web for other favorite series and found that Dragonlance Chronicles was very popular, so I gave them a try (in retrospect, I should have purchased Unfinished Tales or the HoME books, but I thought I might be turned off by the "unfinished" feel to them -- no pun intended).<BR><BR>Anyway, because I kept comparing them to Tolkien, I found myself not very impressed with the Chronicles; my main complaint being the cliche-type writing style ("Everyone gasped and peered down, expecting to see Raistlin splattered all over the ground.") along with some cliche character portrayals. But, despite that, I found the overall story rather interesting and as time passes and I'm not directly confronted with the writing style, I'm having fonder memories of the series.<BR><BR>So, I'd say they're worth reading, but it's important that you take them on their own merit and not go into them wanting "more Tolkien".<BR><BR>- Reuel<BR>
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Postby Wildwood » Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:09 am

Actually, I haven't read any of the DragonLance books, because I never could tell where the best place to start was! (That's really dopey, I know...but hey..it's me! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>So - I don't know if I like them or not! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>What I do know is that my young'un has set her mind to readin' em!<BR>Some friend of hers at school has got her itching to learn about them...so where do I start? What books are the best to begin with and how hard are they to get hold of?<BR><BR>I know I always see a ton of them at the bookstore, when I go, but I haven't looked closely enough to learn about it...is there a number 1, or something?<BR><BR>Ignorantly yours...<BR>Wildwood<BR><BR>PS: Haplo...NO...this does not mean I am buying DragonLance books for a gift for you this year. It merely means I am thinking about it...stop being so nosy!<BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Durin VIII » Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:37 am

Wildwood, the best way is to go in published order. Dragon Lance Chronicles first (Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winter Night and Dragons of Spring Dawn) and then Dragonlance Legends (Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, Test of the Twins) all are written by Weis and Hickman. <BR><BR>As has been said they are not great literature, but are very entertaining. They created some good characters that are easy to get attached too.<BR>
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Postby Shadowjack » Tue Dec 12, 2000 11:29 am

Now I remember... as a kid.. staying up till 4 in the morning reading the Dragon Lance books. I thought they were great,and still do. I forget how old I was... between 7 and 12... when they came out.. I am now 30.. But Rast was my hero. And I love Tas..(the kender).<BR><BR>Some people say the books are trash.. but I see some really creative talent in them.. and they did spark off a entire generation of fantasy books... so how bad was the writing????
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Postby Mithfânion » Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:34 pm

You know, I haven't read a single Dragonlance book yet, but there's one thing that I love already:<BR><BR>Raistlin Majere. The name sounds so impressive, it has a feel to it
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Postby Durin VIII » Tue Dec 12, 2000 4:19 pm

In your old age your memory must be slipping Shadowjack since the first one came out in the fall of '84, 2nd in spring of '85, and 3rd at Gen Con in summer of '85. You were a little older then you remember reading them. I remember being in college and going all over town trying to get that first one, since normal bookstores did not carry a "gaming book", and the hobby shops did not have it in yet.<BR><BR>The ones by Weiss and Hickman are not really written that poorly. The trouble with the huge number of books is that the quality really varies from pretty good (Weiss and Hickman) too some that are pretty bad. I swore them off in the early 90's because there are so many and what some writers did to this world that I really liked. A few years ago I started reading some again, and find most of them enjoyable.<BR><BR>Another thing I remember Weiss and Hickman saying in ’85 that they planned to stop doing DL books after the 2nd trilogy. They did not want the world of Krynn to become like Middle Earth with all the Lost Tales coming out taking away so much of the mystery of Middle Earth. Unfortunately TSR owns most of the rights to DL and with the popularity of the books they sure did not have the same idea of leaving the mystery intact.<BR>
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Postby **Gilluin_Bluestar** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 5:05 pm

I finished the first chronicles book the other day, staying up until around 2 in the morning. Raistlin is definitely the coolest. I think I'm getting the annotated chronicles for Christmas.
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Postby Shadowjack » Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:38 am

Durin VIII <BR><BR>My mistake. I just remember being young when I read them. I am 30 now,and it still feels like I am 14 or so.. If you know what I mean.....<BR><BR>I remember using a flashlight though,to read them till 4am,so that my parents wouldn`t see my light on... Plus I was into chemical experiments during my formative years.... so ....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> Some memories arn`t to clear....lol<BR><BR>But I highly recommend the DragonLance books. And Most of the Forgotten realms...<BR><BR>One I really enjoyed,was the "Spelljammer"series..... Looked dumb at first.. but I found the entire series one day in a used book store.. and now I just wish that an Author would write a continuation series...
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Postby **Gilluin_Bluestar** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 7:27 pm

What would you guys recommend beyond the chronicles? And are there any books about Raistlin's adventures during the 5 years when they were separated?
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Postby dragon_16 » Sat Dec 16, 2000 12:57 pm

yes, the Dragonlance world was the first interesting one that i found after Middle-Earth. DL doesnt quite hold a candle to ME, but it is very intrigueing. Raistlin is a figure that rivals Gandalf in his mystery and power. im a little late for this message, but i just joined, so oh well.
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Postby Kelannar » Sat Dec 16, 2000 1:40 pm

The better Dragonlance books are as follows:<BR><BR>1> Dragonlance Chronicles (required 1st reading)<BR>2> Dragonlance Legends (required 2nd reading)<BR><BR>3> The Legend of Huma (this too I would consider required reading. It's a very entertaining story that's very well written in comparison to many others of this genre)<BR><BR>4> The Elven Nations Trilogy (the third one in this set may be dull, but the first two are awesome)<BR><BR>5> The Kagonesti (part of the "history" series, but it's so good in quality that it's almost the 4th volume in the Elven Nations set).<BR><BR>6> The Dwarven Nations Trilogy (overall, pretty good, but kind of slow in some parts)<BR><BR>7> Dragonlance Tales Vol 1 Trilogy (there are three sets of books in the Tales vol 1 trilogy, mostly short stories. Some are good, some are bad. Overall, pretty good. Nowadays, I think they eliminated the Vol 1/Vol2 distinction, and made each book 1 through 6).<BR><BR>8> Lord Toede (this book, of the "Villains" series, is a COMEDY that will keep you laughing after every chapter. It's based off of a short story in the Tales Trilogy in which Lord Toede is killed by the Kender. It's probably the funniest "fantasy" novel I've ever read).<BR><BR>These are the better Dragonlance novels. In general, I would avoid stuff that was published after 1994, since the "new" novels are pretty much garbage. I would avoid the "Second Generation" and the novel which started the "5th Age" - "Dragons of Summer Flame" (a disastrous book that in effect killed Dragonlance). Additionally, in general, AVOID the "Meetings Sextet", the "Preludes" novels, and anything that says "5th Age" on it. A lot of the books I listed are out of print, but you can find them on ebay. With auctions, though, some can get pretty expensive, like the Elven Nations Trilogy, since they're so rare and so good. The rest are probably at Amazon.com.
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Postby HaplothePatryn » Sun Dec 17, 2000 10:37 am

I'm almost dine with th deathgate books and they seem good. I'm gonna read all the dragonlance books after this though.
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Postby **Gilluin_Bluestar** » Sun Dec 17, 2000 4:50 pm

Is the legends series supposed to occur before or after the chronicles??
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Postby Addison » Mon Dec 18, 2000 5:23 pm

Well, well...it is good to see you around again Shadowjack! Where have you been? <BR><BR>As far as dragonlance is concerned, I read the series in 6th grade and early junior high. They were fun at the time, but, in retrospect, the cheese factor is a bit too high for me. Not to mention the fact that the whole series turned into a pulp sham designed to capitalize on D&D's built in audience. I do remember liking the Huma book though and that Kaz fellow as well. I took my whole collection to The Paperback Exchange in highschool. Even though they were not the best books, I wish that I had not done that. Oh well, i should be studying for finals!
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