MithLuin wrote:While searching through the past 12 pages of this forum, I realized we didn't have much discussion of this. So, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, manga is the graphic novel version of anime.
MithLuin wrote:Maybe some of them are just light-hearted entertainment. But they don't remind me of comic books at all. The only comics I really read were Calvin and Hobbes, and those (like most comics) are just 'shorts' - there may be a plot that continues for a few pages, but for the most part it's a bunch of stand-alone stories.
Manga are not like that - they have an overarching storyline, and each chapter contributes to it. Some chapters focus on backstory, or minor characters, but it all ties back into the original.
truehobbit wrote:Thanks for the insightful explanation of the appeal! I see what you mean by the gradual development of the story and the ambiguous characters. (Even though personally I have my doubts about someone with a history of genocide being a good person. )
Although I did have the Japanese style in my comic reading - I think in the animated series (which often had comic books to go with them) of the 80s you can already see the first signs of Manga style, with its enormous eyes and virtually inexistent noses coming up.
truehobbit wrote:I agree that Manga is a very grown-up genre of comic. There are stories for younger readers, too, but much of it is very violent, and what Manga is most famous for (at least over here) is hard-core sex.
Another interesting aspect of Mangas/Animes is how wordy they can be. Lots of grandiloquence to be found there. Again, this is something that surprises me, as it's not normally a feature of Anglophone storytelling - why doesn't it bore people?
I agree that Manga is a very grown-up genre of comic. There are stories for younger readers, too, but much of it is very violent, and what Manga is most famous for (at least over here) is hard-core sex.
I'd have to say that over here, "manga" generally calls to mind martial arts and Japanese school girls in short skirts.
When I read V for Vendetta, I was definitely struck by the amount of dialogue,
Manga is very popular in Japan. I read somewhere that 40% of books sold there are mangas.
Master Samwise wrote: have them read chobits...
truehobbit wrote:When I wrote the previous post I was thinking of a scene I'd seen once I switched on the telly (IIRC) - someone had just been run through the body with a sword from behind his back by an enemy and now they were conversing in epic tones on something (hence my calling it 'grandiloquent'), I forget what, but it was very amusing in the situation.
I didn't find anything comparable to link to here - I read around on that 'mangafox' page a bit you linked to, Gwen - very nice, you can look into all kinds of manga there (really badly translated, some of the stuff ) - but I think my point still stands, in that lots of things I saw there were just overdone so much in intensity I couldn't help laughing - and I wonder why people don't find it exaggerated? Or maybe you wouldn't agree on the more toned-down nature of average 'Western' stories?
GwenElf wrote:truehobbit wrote:When I wrote the previous post I was thinking of a scene I'd seen once I switched on the telly (IIRC) - someone had just been run through the body with a sword from behind his back by an enemy and now they were conversing in epic tones on something (hence my calling it 'grandiloquent'), I forget what, but it was very amusing in the situation.
Sounds like Shakespeare to me. Someone gets stabbed and then delivers a 200-line speech before finally dying.
As much as I've noticed this, I think that manga can be and are serious when the situation calls for it. If a character is really going through something troubling, the overblown emotion generally stops--if it's exaggerated, it's done so in a way that emphasizes the sobriety of the situation, not mocks it.
Master Samwise wrote:No, Chobits is not the russian form of hobbits. there's no describing it unless you check it out yourself. do eeet! i'll just say it has to do with a person-like robot (persocon) named chi, and her owner Hideki. but don't say i didn't warn you that it's aimed at pre-teen girls and people who have less than 4 braincells...
it's not that it's "most known for" - it simply exists. It's a form of mass media in Japan instead of a niche market like it is in America, so there's all sorts of genres within the single medium, including (yes) porn, just as there's porn movies, cheap romance novels, etc in the forms of mass media in the states.
Crucifer wrote:Berserk sounds like my cuppa, §ol , but I haven't seen it on the shelves any of the purveyors of Manga where I live. I've seen it on the net somewhere. Is it worth the buy?
truehobbit wrote:it's not that it's "most known for" - it simply exists. It's a form of mass media in Japan instead of a niche market like it is in America, so there's all sorts of genres within the single medium, including (yes) porn, just as there's porn movies, cheap romance novels, etc in the forms of mass media in the states.
Well, true. But, basically, if you ask someone what comes to mind if they think of the word "novel" or even "best-seller fiction", for most people I doubt the answer will be pulp fiction or porn.
If you ask someone what comes to mind if they hear the word "manga", the answer is much more likely to be "martial arts", "schoolgirl smut" (with the proviso that it's 'smut' only in our culture, for another it might be normal sexuality) or even "hardcore porn".
LOLOL, I was looking at a manga yesterday, that started out with a bit of schoolgirl smut, but I was just thinking ok, let's not think of it as smutty because it might appeal to teenage girls over here, whose brains more often than not are all in their knickers - when I turned the page and was in the middle of a totally violent rape-scene.
Ok, maybe I'm just a pampered old Jane-Austen reader and not used to that sort of thing, so it shocks me more than others (although I do doubt the sense of people getting used to that sort of thing - I've read one novel that contained gross sexual violence once years ago, and I'm not keen on repeating the experience), and the readers present would have considered it quite tame.
Certainly, when I closed all my windows, the little sex ads my provider always has on his starting page ('meet today's cute single' etc) which tend to annoy me for being smutty, suddenly looked rather innocuous and even a bit naive.
Just curious, is there ever sexual violence in which the men are victimised? (I guess if things were a bit even in that respect I'd not find it quite so sick.)
MithLuin wrote:I love how the FMA manga handles sex. There is nothing explicit about it. She has one character who is a notorious player, which means he is often meeting women for 'dates.' But that's all they are (as far as the reader knows). The only date we actually see is another character buying flowers for a woman and meeting her in a cafe. He makes it quite clear afterwards that he never saw her with her shirt off .
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