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Postby orodreth111 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:18 am

..An elementry school in Ct. 15 miles from my home. I have friends with kids in this school. I am in total shock. Prayers for the families. unreal......
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Postby Calma » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:28 am

It's horendous. Children. Little kids.
I'm a mother of two.
They are adults now, but I can feel for the parents who have lost their children.
The anguish of finding out that it is your child that won't come home from school today.
My heart hurts.
Please hug your child/grandchild today

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Postby MerriadocBrandybuck » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:30 am

I'm at work 18 miles away. Sickening.
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Postby rwhen » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:34 am

No one should have to suffer this fate much less the little children.
My heart is breaking for the families of the teachers and children who were taken way too soon.

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Postby RobertEvert » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:50 am

Horrible. I'm sure the world has always been like this, but it seems like such things keep happening. Makes you wonder how humans have survived this long.

Poor kids...and their families!
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Postby orodreth111 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:24 pm

Just picked Conor up early. Cops patrolling the grounds at his school with dogs. 18 to 20 little children murdered. Right before Christmas. Got my baby home and safe
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Postby GlassHouse » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:51 pm

There’s so little to say in situations like this....I'm watching reports on CNN and about to go out to pick up my son from high school. We should not have to fear for the safety of our kids just sending them to school.
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Postby Frelga » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:27 pm

What an unshakable horror. Those poor familie. :(
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Postby Vanaladiel » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:11 am

My prayers go out to the community and the families struck so close with this senseless and selfish tragedy!
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Postby basil » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:17 pm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ne ... 6537639697

Stories and pix of the adults who were killed.

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Postby Swordsman_Of_The_Tower » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:27 pm

Ms Rousseau and her boyfriend had been looking forward to seeing the movie The Hobbit on Friday night after work. She had made cupcakes, with pictures of the actors on them, for a party afterwards.
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They were only a few years older then me, and were probably just like most of the people I went to college with (a teachers college) :(

It said one of them goes to SCSU, I was close to going there as well.
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Postby FrodoTook » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:57 pm

I heard of this not long after it happened. I did not want to hear more about it and have avoided hearing more. Turning the radio station off and changing the TV channel. This sickens me. It angers me. Makes me feel so very very sad. My heart breaks. My words mean nothing. This is the saddest I have ever felt. There is no consolation and that makes it so very bad. I wondered why did this happen? How could it happen? My thoughts mean nothing. Thinking I would be self serving if I thought they did. Saying what I just shared is my attempt at coping. I am coping. But not well. I should say it was good for me to release my feelings here but I can't. I just can't.
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Postby Vanaladiel » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:28 am

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Postby Lee~ » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:00 am

While no actual diagnosis of the murderer has been given, he's been described as possibly on the autistic spectrum. As a parent of a 15 yr old son who has severe difficulties at school, regular meltdowns and problems with socialization, I can only say with great sympathy and empathy, it is a kind of tragic mercy he murdered his mother, for surely her life would have been ruined had she survived. So many are wondering what went wrong. I have a small inkling of her experience, and I sense, from reading some reports on staff comments from the murderer's tech school he attended, his mental health was clearly mismanaged, and she sought out but did not get the assistance she needed. I am so sorry for her and hope she is at peace.

And the losses of the mothers and fathers, sisters, brothers, uncles, aunts, grandpas and grandmas, friends and neighbors, their fear, anger and sorrow-my thoughts are with all of you. It's not right-every child that dies before her parent does--it's very very wrong.

We're facing a youth mental health crisis that's been going on at least since the murderer was born, and I wish to all that is Good in this world that we in the US would wake the blankety blank up and deal with it. Oh yeah, and stop worshiping guns. That would help, too.
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Postby orodreth111 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:18 pm

..Lee, great post. My youngest son whom is 12 suffers from a form of autism known as PDD-NOS, Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified. He is 5'9 and weighs 200 lbs and stands out dramatically next to his classmates. As he has gotten older the issues with him have become more challenging in all areas of his life, socially, academically, emotionally and behaviorly. It is heart wrenching sometimes. We have tried to mainstream him as best we can with some degree of success but it is always a challenge. What this sad young man did is unfathomable but in some way my heart breaks for him and for his family. As Fox has plastered his face all over the TV I can't help but look at his younger pictures and see some reflection of my own son in them. After the cries for gun control have settled down perhaps the world will start looking at the epidemic of our century, Autism and it's companion disorders, and start trying to find answers that will help another poor child from slipping into this sad, senseless oblivion.. I am posting an article that is making it's rounds on FB because I find it very poignant to this topic and because I can soooo identify with this mother.

Michael with a butterfly. This has been reposted from The Blue Review. Three days before 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants. “I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises. “They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.” “They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid female canine. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!” “You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid female canine. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.” I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me. A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7- and 9-year-old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me. That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn't have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist. We still don’t know what's wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work. At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he's in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He's in a good mood most of the time. But when he's not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off. Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30 a.m.-1:50 p.m. Monday through Friday until they turn 18. The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, "Look, Mom, I'm really sorry. Can I have video games back today?" "No way," I told him. "You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly." His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. "Then I'm going to kill myself," he said. "I'm going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself." That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right. "Where are you taking me?" he said, suddenly worried. "Where are we going?" "You know where we are going," I replied. "No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!" I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. "Call the police," I said. "Hurry." Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer. The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork—"Were there any difficulties with... at what age did your child... were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have..." At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You'll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing. For days, my son insisted that I was lying—that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, "I hate you. And I'm going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here." By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I've heard those promises for years. I don't believe them anymore. On the intake form, under the question, "What are your expectations for treatment?" I wrote, “I need help.” And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense. I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness. According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do. When I asked my son's social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail," he said. "That's the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges." I don't believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael's sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population. With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011. No one wants to send a 13-year-old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.” I agree that something must be done. It's time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That's the only way our nation can ever truly heal. God help me. God help Michael. God help us all. Liza Long is an author, musician, and erstwhile classicist. She is also a single mother of four bright, loved children, one of whom has special needs. 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That pretty much says it all...Prayers to the families....Chris
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Postby Lee~ » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:24 pm

Yes, it does say it all. My son is full spectrum autistic, with ADHD and bi polar. School has always been a challenge, and recent events involving my boy at school have caused me to make the decision to take him out. Many of his emotional scars and behavioral difficulties were caused or worsened by well-meaning educators during his elementary years who really had no clue what they were doing. I've finally realized sending him is more trouble than it is worth-he-and every one at the school-is much safer with him at home, especially in the current political environment. I feel afraid for my son. I wonder, if this were one hundred years ago, if some would take up pitchforks and torches to stamp out the "evil."

So, yes, I have great empathy for Adam Lanza's struggles, his obvious suffering, for he is a victim not unlike the innocents he in turn victimized, shooter though he be.

And thank you for sharing about your son and the article. It helps me feel less alone. Just a few days ago I attended a funeral of my brother in law, and was discussing living arrangements of my disabled sister, who is coming to live with me. One of my siblings stated she was worried and when I asked what I could do to alleviate her concerns, she asked me to adopt out my son-or to sell him to the circus, or gypsies. She thought to make a joke, but I couldn't laugh.

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Postby MerriadocBrandybuck » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:23 am

One of my professional aquaintances is a pediatric dentist in Newtown. He lost 8 patients, and one more had an appointment for a new patient exam on Saturday. :(
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Postby JaySad » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:39 pm

Even 3 days later, I'm still in shock over what happened. Praying for all the families.
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Postby Vanaladiel » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:36 pm

I am surprised at how hard I am taking this tragedy. So much has happened this Christmas Season with family losses and now this that I am seriously struggling to find any Christmas Spirit within myself.
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Postby basil » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:57 pm

Vana, that's what Christmas is. It is a time of joy, but it is also surrounded by actions and symbols of death and tragedy.

Recall the story of the slaughter of innocents associated with the first Christmas.

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Postby orodreth111 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:20 pm

Basil. Good point. I too have found it hard to reconcile sendin my boy to school right now. The first Christmas is a great example. Thank you, I never thought of it and it helps me cope.

On another note, although I'm not an Obama fan I feel encouraged by his actions and words this week. I truly hope that we can set bipartisan politics aside and find a unified solution to gun control and mental health issues. These shootings can not be the price of our freedom and he NAILED that one.
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Postby earendil81 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:30 am

I am finding myself taking this tragedy very hard as well although I cannot really say why.
A part of me is also extremely mad at the media that are turning this into a reality show with little respect for the grief of the family - at least that is how it appears to me.
Still every time I see this on TV I find I have tears in my eyes and for all the pain that I have experienced over the past few months I cannot imagine the suffering that the parents are going through right now. I cannot wrap my head around this.
And the truth is that since I work right now on a program that is all about children's access to education in a safe environment in some of the poor areas of the world, I find the irony bitter since we can't even keep our schools safe...
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Postby Vanaladiel » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:35 am

Bless you basil dear! :hug:

Cookieman I would hate having a child in school at this point in time. Luckily my grand kids are home schooled! :hug:

Eari I am with you on that one for sure. It is a terrible tragedy that was senseless and unnecessary! :hug:
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Postby Sunsilver » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:48 pm

Orodreth, thank you for your posts. They bring up a side to this tragedy that is largely being ignored. I can't imagine having a kid that was constantly threatening to harm himself or others, and not being able to get help for him.

There's a similar problem in Canada, where many of those with psychological problems have been 'mainstreamed' and are living in the community. Sometimes they are monitored by community nurses, who check on medication compliance, but all too often, they are on their own. If they need an appointment with a psychiatrist, I think there's about a month long wait, unless it's an emergency.

Lots more I could say about this, but I don't want to get into the gun control debate. :(
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Postby Sunsilver » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:55 pm

Sunsilver wrote:Orodreth, thank you for your posts. They bring up a side to this tragedy that is largely being ignored. I can't imagine having a kid that was constantly threatening to harm himself or others, and not being able to get help for him.

There's a similar problem in Canada, where many of those with psychological problems have been 'mainstreamed' and are living in the community. Sometimes they are monitored by community nurses, who check on medication compliance, but all too often, they are on their own. If they need an appointment with a psychiatrist, I think there's about a month long wait, unless it's an emergency.

Lots more I could say about this, but I don't want to get into the gun control debate. :(


I would like to say that the whole thing seems to be a vicious cycle. Americans are arming themselves out of fear. More guns = more shootings by those who are mentally unstable or hate the government (terrorists.) This leads to more fear and more guns. I really cannot see an easy solution, other than that offered by the Prince of Peace, whose arrival we will be celebrating in a few days.

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Or is that too simple? :cry2:

(oops! I meant to edit my post instead of quote it!)
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Re: 27 killed in CT school.Mostly kids..Prayers please.

Postby Sassyfriend » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:13 pm

Totally senseless deaths of Little ones. Trying so hard not to think of it now. When it first happend I was in tears almost the whole time!!!!!! So awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry: Why did this have to happen? :angry:
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Re: 27 killed in CT school.Mostly kids..Prayers please.

Postby orodreth111 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:14 am

... A bump out of what I consider a nationwide apathy to the plight of families(like myself) that are still struggling to find coherent answers to the challenge of raising children on the Autism Spectrum. I have heard and understand the need for gun reform but I have heard very little about mental health reform. I have recenty joined an Autism Awareness group in my community and I am learning more than I ever knew about this sad pandemic...
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Re: 27 killed in CT school.Mostly kids..Prayers please.

Postby portia » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:44 pm

Some of the parents were on 60 Minutes tonight, talking about how they felt, what they are trying to do, etc.
They are going to Washington DC tomorrow to try to encourage legislation on the subject.

It is hard to know what will help. Probably a lot of things, such as not being so distant from someone who is a loner, or depressed, etc. And being more careful of weapons around such people. It reminds me, a little, of the non-controversy, and then the growing awareness, of how many people were being hurt or killed by drunk drivers. It took years, but we are finally addressing the problem. It used t be that it was considered part of the Constitution to be able to go out, get drunk, and drive around. No more. Some of these attitudes of what we can do change slowly.
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Re: 27 killed in CT school.Mostly kids..Prayers please.

Postby Morwenna » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:27 pm

I have no idea what the answer is. I don't live very far from that scene myself; a connection of my husband's family was one of the teachers. It's all so tragic, and senseless, but only if it brings about some awareness that'll be a clue to helping solve the problem (I don't think it'll every truly be solved) will it have not been in vain. Those poor families, all of them. But I also feel so bad for the families of the mentally ill. And I don't think there's anything that can prevent someone, mentally ill or not, from going on a rampage.
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