The Island Of Misfit Toys

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The Island Of Misfit Toys

Postby Gamgee Wench » Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:09 am

As a diversion from the everyday mundane things of life..I decided it was time to bring something somewhat disturbing to the attention of the fine people of TORC. This will take a bit of time to set up the story but in the end I think you will find the read very eye opening.

The set up



A recent discussion occurred between my fine husband, Mr. Bumpy, and I during a drive into the Adirondack mountains, on our way to a hike with some family friends. Mr. Bumpy has always had a rather interesting, and some would say disturbing, obsession with TV Christmas specials. He is actually known for this by our friends. He loves all of them (yes, sadly, even Frosty the Snowman), and he even knows the dialogue of a few by heart. For some reason, we were discussing this, and his favorite of favorites, Rudolph the Red Nosed Riendeer, became the main topic of discussion. Then he brought it up! Yes, he had discussed this issue briefly with me before, but I dismissed it as the rantings of a mad man. But this time I listened ( as I was trapped in the passenger seat and had no options other than to hurl myself out the car door, which I choose not to do)

Remember the Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer special? Not the animated versions, we are talking about the one with the strange puppet like/clay guys. You know, the one with the Humble Bumble, strange singing elves, the Santa Claus that suddenly gains 100 pounds in an hour so his coat fits..the one with Burl Ives as a strange snowman singing Silver and Gold. You remember?

Good, now I need you to fast forward in the show, past the elves workshop (note how innocent those elves look, but they are not!), past the discussion of Herbie the Elf wanting to be a dentist, past the horribly prejudiced reindeer who have a problem with Rudolphs nose, further,
Past the Bumble, who is soon humbled. further to yes..TO.


The Island of Misfit Toys!

This is where Mr. Bumpy's assessment of the story got disturbing. First, most of the toys on that island were really not that "misfit". We decided on our car ride (and later on the top of Mount Jo in the Adirondacks) that frankly, there is nothing wrong with an elephant with pink spots on it. And what is wrong with a squirt gun that shoots jelly? Be kinda fun, outside. We agreed that the Charley in the box was fine, and why couldn't he just change his name? Even the cowboy riding the ostrich wasn't so bad, different, but not bad. But we agreed (the discussion now including several hikers) that there were a few that belonged on this strange little island, the train with square wheels, and the bird that couldn't fly, but could swim.
Please now, focus on the bird for a moment. The bird cannot fly, it swims. This is important to remember. Even it's wings look somewhat like fins.


The Disturbing Revelation



At the end of this rather delightful tale, alls well that ends well right? Santa gets over his horrible prejudice and lets Rudolph lead his sleigh, of course only after he realizes that he needs the deer, but we won't quibble over Santa's ethics (that is for the Council of Manwe), and he flys into the snowstorm ready to deliver the toys with Rudolphs help.


But.... first he stops at the Island of misfit toys and they all jump into his sack because suddenly, everybody wants these toys nobody did the year before, right? OK, that's a good thing. But this is it.
you've waited for it,.
here it comes….


Did you notice that as the toys were being delivered, that a wonderful fun loving elf was throwing them over the side of the sleigh. AND, as he did so, he gave each toy an umbrella, we must assume to break their fall. ( Now, a point before the main point, none of the misfit toys appeared to "fixed"!!.) So out of the sack appears the bird, and that little happy elf, at first hands the bird an umbrella, THEN TAKES IT AWAY and throws the bird over the side UMBRELLA-LESS! This bird was on the Island of Misfit Toys because he couldn't FLY!!!!!! He could SWIM but not FLY!!!


This elf THREW THIS BIRD TO ITS DEATH!!!


Just thought you should know...



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edit: I finally fixed this so all those silly boxes aren't in it, guess old posts don't like comma's.
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Postby Galadriel » Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:15 am

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <BR> <BR>I hate that show, that's great that you pointed it out, though.. <BR> <BR>maybe I'll catch the tail end of it one day and watch it.. hope not, though.. that things tortures my eyes and ears..
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Postby ThreadStalker » Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:23 am

My kind of humor
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Postby Incanus » Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:52 am

Thanks soooo much GW.... <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>You have crumbled my little world of love for that TV special. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I shall never be able to watch that again without a pang of sorrow for the poor, defenseless bird that could not fly.....and great malice towards the elf who knowingly threw it to it's death! <BR> <BR> <BR>It was supposed to be a children's special folks! But No! They have to throw a little dash of murder into everything now don't they! <BR> <BR> <BR><i>Pardon me.....I have to go sob awhile now......</i>
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Postby GoodSam » Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:13 am

Ah... <BR> <BR> <BR>Er.... <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Eh... <BR> <BR> <BR>Well... <BR> <BR> <BR>Hmm, <BR> <BR>You know, I prefer to think that the power of love fixed all of these toys' defects. It couldn't be that the elf was so cruel. Otherwise you have to start aking yourself, what the elf had against that poor bird toy.
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Postby Incanus » Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:17 am

<BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR>No worries! <BR> <BR> <BR>I've already burned my VHS copy of the special!
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Postby Durin VIII » Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:27 am

I love all things Rankin-Bass (yes even the animated Hobbit) who did this great version of Rudolph. I am sure this was a continuity error and when they did that final sequence the bird was supposed to be a misfit in other ways. <BR> <BR>There is supposedly a deleted scene where as the sleigh leaves and Donner says, “That’s my buck” showing how proud he is of his son. Mistake to leave that out in the end. Also in that scene Yukon finds peppermint which is what he was really looking for not silver and gold and that is why he always licked his pick (had to be very careful in typing that last word not to add and “r” and change the meaning drastically). We also never find out why the doll is a misfit. <BR> <BR>I think this calls for an extended DVD! <BR> <BR>GW I hope Mr Bumpy does not like the far inferior Frosty Returns.
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Postby satch » Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:28 am

That... is appalling. How could the elf do that to such a defenceless and reclused bird?? <BR> <BR> <BR>*cough* <BR> <BR>LOL!!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR>At first I thought you were talking about the clay type reindeer thing with the evil one who locks them in the shed thing and there's the really round one... not that I ever watched it... *shifty eyes*
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Postby Tookish_Traveler » Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:38 am

Boy, are you people weird. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>I am just kidding. <BR>Of course. <BR> <BR><i>Tooks begins to rethink the whole Gettysburg TORCmoot thingy.</i> <BR>
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Postby Gamgee Wench » Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:12 pm

<BR> <BR>I think Galadriel said it best....Eeeeeeckkk. But I don't hate it...at least I didn't for the first hundred times I saw it. <BR> <BR>Sorry Incanus...ruining childhood "good thoughts " is rough...but someone had to show you the light. Not all those elves are nice. <BR> <BR>No....I don't think you can excuse this....as much as you want to think only good things, this bird was murdered. None of the other misfit toys are "fixed"....trust me...I viewed this recently (just for accuracy , of course). That elephant still has pink spots....and he was thrown out with an umbrella . <BR> <BR>Tooks....don't rethink it...just imagine what stimulating conversation there will be. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> (Or not.) <BR> <BR>What disturbs me the most...is just how much Durin here knows about this show. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>
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Postby Key_Blade » Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:20 pm

HEE hee hehehehehe! go elf-boy! (has a bad history with birds)
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Postby Galadriel » Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:21 pm

HAHAHA Durin was in the snail mail mailing list for information about the claymation movies, wasn't he? He got the occasional VHS in the mail with interviews of the makers and stuff.. and oo, then he got trailers in the mail, too.. <BR> <BR> <BR>o0o0o0o0o
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Postby Teri » Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:24 pm

Haaa, haa, ha! I've watched that show (every year, er hum) for almost 30 years! It's my favorite. But I never noticed that!!!! That's just priceless. Thanks for pointing that out. In fact it's been a bit cool this June....maybe justifies renting the flick and checking it out for myself. <BR> <BR>(By the way... I did see a bird swim once...a red tailed hawk. It was quite an amazing thing! Used it's wings to swim with. It was after a dragonfly. Got it too! Got to shore, ate it, and flew away. I have witnessess! We were all dumbfounded....)
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Postby Sauron's_Nagging_Wife » Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:29 pm

<BR>The bird was actually dropped into a pond - the water broke his fall. <BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR>
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Postby GoodSam » Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:53 pm

The bird's wings, although insufficient for powered flight were adequate to provide enough lift to slow its descent much like the space shuttle. <BR> <BR>The bird was in effect a "lifting body".
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Postby Gamgee Wench » Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:14 pm

<BR> <BR>Goodsam....I'm so sorry. I can see your trying here to salvage this...but you must learn to accept the good and the bad in life. <BR> <BR>I know this is upsetting....I was very upset myself...but we must face the fact that somewhere in Finland there is a house with a bird size hole in the roof and a few very traumatized kids...that have since grown up and are probably posting here now. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>(SNW...that was good too....but we must face the facts.) <BR> <BR>
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Postby Galadriel » Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:23 pm

aww, in Finland? Maybe it's Klonkky dearest.. and that's why he's so sexy
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Postby Durin VIII » Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:39 pm

Good lord it is just a TV show just one of the greatest ever made. Much like the car in Fellowship of the Ring it is a simple error that even the master filmmakers Rankin and Bass are sometime guilty of. What a bunch of dorks trying to explain it away. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Without the much-desired director's cut we are denied the peppermint scene. In fact the original broadcast had the end as Santa and his sleigh was headed to the Island of Misfit Toys. It was only a few years later they restored the bombing toy scene through the closing credits. <BR> <BR>Now I have spent far too many hours on company time today researching Rankin/Bass on the web! <BR> <BR>No I was not any snail mailing list for stop motion movies in my youth, but I did a fine report on Ray Harryhausen in junior high. I was in a Tolkien Fan Club when the Bakshi movie came out. This might explain my good score in the geek test <BR>
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Postby Rodia » Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:13 pm

GW, I have no idea what you're on about, but it's a very disturbing story. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Durin, I love the R-B Hobbit too.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Why do people insist that only photorealistic renditions of the characters are worth a second look?? <BR> <BR>That movie certainly had original art.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>And the songs were grand<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>BTW, what's this with you and stopmotion, eh? Cause in my case it's romance all the way.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I'm starting shooting my first-year film this month.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby peregin2k » Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:44 pm

LOL! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I guess the elf wanted the bird to learn how to fly, you know, you've got wings use it! <BR> <BR><i>Rodia wants me to place this edited part back.</i> <BR>Rodia, <BR>We (three friends) did a stop motion animation back in HS when we joined a short film fest. We didn't win though, but got an award for most promising animators. We used plastic insect toys instead of clay and it looked real in the film, that's why we got the award. What's your film like? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Rodia » Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:58 pm

Well, wire, cotton wool, hot glue and old tights, basically.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <BR>I'll have some pictures of my dolls this week, I'll put them up in my yahoo album.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>Don't suppose you've got your animation anywhere online? <BR> <BR>If you can stream,three of mine are here: <BR> <BR><a target=new href="http://www.szorty.pl/download.php?id=260.s3&pr=1a6e"> The Game</a> (my first complete and proper) <BR> <BR><a target=new href="http://www.szorty.pl/download.php?id=300.s3&pr=1a6e"> The Little One</a> (my second complete and proper,except for the pointe which is so-so.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>) <BR> <BR><a target=new href="http://www.szorty.pl/download.php?id=714.s3&pr=1a6e"> Pachyderms Flock Together</a> (this was early and not terribly well done...never intended it to be online for public viewing, but, well, it happened.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> I should do a remake<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>) <BR> <BR>Of course, the best I have isn't available<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>. Those were all shot at workshops- the one I'll be working on now is my first attempt with real 35 mm.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Eru help me.
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Postby Durin VIII » Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:58 pm

For my son's birthday I got him a Lego film making set complete with a little web cam and film editing software. Making movies is not as exciting as he first thought it would be by moving something a little and then taking a picture. He likes it when they are all done. I am having a grand time with it.
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Postby Rodia » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:00 pm

P2k. why did you edit your post? Now my reply makes absolutely no sense.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>(he asked about my movie<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>)
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Postby peregin2k » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:05 pm

<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>Okey I'll place it back. <BR> <BR>It's just me! I felt like I was bragging when I said it cause it was a long time ago. I think you wanted to get a hold of that stop motion animation I did, it's in beta form though.
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Postby Galadriel » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:07 pm

AH RODIA! <BR> <BR>You didn't tell me that the film had bugs in it! <BR> <BR>YUUUUCK! <BR> <BR>What's gra? Is that beginning or start or something? <BR> <BR>What's the other word?
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Postby Rodia » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:08 pm

LOl! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Well, no need to make that red a face.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bragging...no way. What I just did was bragging.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR> <BR>Gal, 'Gra' means 'The Game' <BR>'Der Kleine' is 'The Little One' <BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> <BR>I can do much better, though. These were average...nine hours under camera...talk about high speed stopmotion. <BR> <BR>(sorry about hijacking your thread, GW.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>)
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Postby Calma » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:12 pm

Maybe the elf was just trying to clean out the gene pool. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>Or he was frightened by a hybrid bird when he was young and had a terrible phobia. <BR> <BR>Or he was merely demented. <BR> <BR>(The show makes me ill, btw.)
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Postby I-am-Tigger » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:16 pm

<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR><i>nasssssssssty</i> evil elves es <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0>
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Postby peregin2k » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:19 pm

Rodia, <BR> <BR>Umm...this will sound stupid but which ones do I push to get to see your film I don't read polish. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> I'm at work so maybe when I get home. <BR> <BR>I saw the other one though with the gun and the kid, good stuff! Makes me wish I entered film school instead like my best friend. My fave job in film is editing and I won't do line drawing, not even for a million bucks, man that's tedious. <BR> <BR>35mm!!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Good luck to you! I'm not that good with that one as well.
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Postby Alasséa » Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:35 pm

we have to be positive about this. maybe the elf was under some crazee curse and didn't actually realise that he was shoving the poor bird out of the sleigh. and maybe the bird got rescued at some point on the way down. <BR> <BR>there. optimism rules! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR> <BR>~*~Alasséa~*~ <BR> <BR>
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