What happened to the other Rings of Power

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Postby VikingQueen » Tue May 01, 2001 7:09 am

I have always been unclear about what happened to the "nine mortal men" who were turned into the Black Riders. Why did Sauron only find the nine rings made for mortal men. I know the elves successfully hid their ings from him, what of the other rings and there owners - i.e. the dwarves.<BR><BR>Any help would be appreciated.
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Postby Eluchil » Tue May 01, 2001 12:30 pm

Sauroon captured the 16 Rings of Power made by the elves under his instruction. He gave 9 to Men and 7 to the dwarves. The Men who recieved Rings became wraiths but the dwarves were simply increaded in greed. Eventually Suaron recovered 3 of those Rings but 4 were destroyed by the dragons who plundered their hoards.<BR><BR>(The House of Durin maintain that they recieved their Ring direct from Celebrimbor and not from Sauron. I cannot adjudicate the right in this matter.)
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Postby VikingQueen » Tue May 01, 2001 12:51 pm

Eluchil - Thanks! I am reading the books for the 2nd time and I still get confused concerning the power of the rings. Are the elves able to weild their rings and use them against Sauron? Or must they keep them in hiding?
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Postby Jhaerlyn » Tue May 01, 2001 1:18 pm

THe different rings had different realms of power ... the Elven rings had to do with the things ELves love ... So they tended to be more of preserving and protecting type of stuff .... Nenya had to do with water ... and so its powers had to do with properties of water ... healing, control of actual water, refreshing, etc.... Vilya, of the Air, ... was for preserving, hiding, So Galadriel was able to help keep her kingdom hidden ...etc ... things like that ... Narya ... was for fire ... and so.. it worked differently as well ... not necessarily a massively offensie, say, weapon, it still did its part against the forces of evil ... on the hand of Gandalf ....
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Postby Eluchil » Tue May 01, 2001 7:17 pm

As long the One was lost elves could, and did, weild the Three. However, as Elrond observes at the Council they have no power for war so they only help a little.<BR>
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Postby VikingQueen » Wed May 02, 2001 7:56 am

The rings of power were given to the different peoples - but were the made that only those specific peoples could wield them? What I mean is, Elrond told Boromir that he would never touch the One Ring because to wield it you would have to become Sauron. It transformed Gollum and started to eat away at Bilbo. What about the Elves' rings? Could Gandalf wield them as a weapon when they were made for a people that do not use them as such?
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Postby Inigo » Wed May 02, 2001 12:42 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but did not Gandalf already have one of the Elves rings?
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Postby hamlet » Wed May 02, 2001 2:16 pm

one of the things that made The One Ring, the Nine, and what are left of the Seven, is that they did transform you. They were corrupted by their wearers and by Sauron so that even starting with the best of intentions, they would transform the user into a reflection of the worst parts of themselves. Thus, the Nine Mortal Men became shadows and slaves of the Dark Lord.<BR><BR>The Three were never touched by the hand of Sauron or by impure beings so that they were never corrupted themselves. If they were to be used as weapons, that would be a corruption of the user and would thence corrupt the ring and bring it under control of the One who's power is domination. The Three have only powers of preservation and healing and any other use would be disastrous.
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Postby Haole-feet » Wed May 02, 2001 3:34 pm

Although the rings all lost their respective powers when Frodo/Gollum/Sam destroyed the One Ring, it would have been cool if the rings of the Nine fell to the earth as they went shrieking off into oblivion. Although powerless, those rings would be cool keepsakes/battle trophies.
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Postby Inigo » Wed May 02, 2001 4:57 pm

That would be an amazing family heirloom!!
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Postby Annael » Wed May 02, 2001 5:10 pm

Gandalf too would not touch the ring. He knew that the power of the ring would end up corrupting the individual. The stronger the will of the person, the longer it would take, but the end was inevitable, even for Gandalf. <BR><BR>Yes, Cirdan gave his ring, the ring of fire, to Gandalf. No, the ring of fire did not give Gandalf the ability to use fire, it only enabled him to stir the fire within others.<BR><BR>I would imagine that any race could wield any ring. It was Sauron who decided whom to give the rings. 7 for the dwarf lords makes sense since there were seven dwarf houses. Why 9 for men, I'm clueless.
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Postby VikingQueen » Thu May 03, 2001 8:23 am

So if the rings corrupted men, were they all evil? Or is there just the potential for every ring to be used as a weapon and it is up to the individual? Is the One ring different because it actually carries a piece of the Dark Lord's spirit?<BR><BR>Sorry for all the questions, but the history of the ring interests me the most and it the topic I know the least.
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Postby Annael » Fri May 04, 2001 3:10 pm

What I know of the rings of Power I've read in the Silmarillion. I would highly suggest reading it if you are interested in the history of Middle Earth. The beginning I find a little dull, but once you get into the Noldor Rebellion it picks up quite a bit.<BR><BR>All of the rings were created by Elves. These elves were Noldors, hence they had great knowledge of metal craft. They studied under Aule, the God of the Dwarves, while living in Valinor, the Land of the Gods.<BR><BR>Sauron, knowing of the rings of Power, created his ring to control the other rings. He bound up the other rings' power into his own. He was able to do this because Sauron guided the labor of the elves who created the rings. Sauron was trying to pass himself off as a good guy at that point.<BR><BR>He ended up taking the 7 and 9 rings by force from the elves. The 3 he was never able to capture. While he had possession of the 16, he corrupted the power of those rings.
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Postby Tar-Minastir » Fri May 04, 2001 7:22 pm

I'm sorry to interrupt,but I think Gandalf DID use Narya as a weapon.<BR>On several occasions he used fire to scare of or fight with the enemy.<BR>Remember,when the fellowship just had left Imladris,they encountered a pack of wolves,did Gandalf not use a spell of fire to scare of the wolves?<BR>And on the bridge in the dark,when he fought the Valaraukar,he used a flash of light/fire to destroy the bridge.<BR><BR>My guess is Gandalf already possessed great powers when he first landed in Middle-Earth,but Narya only made him stronger and he used this ring's power to the fullest.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Mjolnir » Mon May 07, 2001 1:32 am

Hello Viking Queen!<BR><BR>Try this EXCELLENT FAQ concearning the Rings: <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www2.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=10198">http://www2.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=10198</a><BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Mjolnir
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Postby VikingQueen » Mon May 07, 2001 8:50 am

Mjolnir - thank you so much!!!! WHOO HOO!
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Postby gandalfsglamdring » Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:09 pm

wernt the dwarves the three rings? and if so dosent sauron already have them?
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Postby poopmasta » Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:43 pm

Gandalf could use fire without the ring. The ring definitely enhanced his abilities though.
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Postby melima » Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:29 pm

Well the same thing happend to the 9 mortal men as would have happend to Frodo or Bilbo if they would have kept 'the one ring' on. They turned into pretty much nothing. <BR>The reason he wouldn't have gone after the elves I think would have been because they were immortal. The rings given to them could be controled and didn't over take their bodies. <BR>But those are just my opinions...
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Postby Earnil » Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:32 pm

<i>wernt the dwarves the three rings? and if so dosent sauron already have them?</i> <BR><BR>No and yes. There were 7 Dwarven Rings, 4 were lost in the Dragon hoards and 3 were reclaimed by Sauron. The 3 Elven Rings, the three that Sauron did not get his hands on were the Elven Rings that Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf possessed.<BR><BR>gandalfsglamdring, it says this earlier in this thread, perhaps you should have read the thread before asking this question.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Billobob » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:59 pm

I believe the Elven rings of power simply faded and lost their power when the one ring was gone because it says in the book that the three rings were bound to the one and would pass away if Sauron's ring was destroyed.
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Morwenna » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:25 am

Well, certainly the preservative powers were lost. Galadriel had created Lothlorien with the aid of her ring, IIRC. But she said that once the One Ring was destroyed, "Lothlorien will fade."
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby fatty*lumpkin » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:21 am

Morwenna wrote:Well, certainly the preservative powers were lost. Galadriel had created Lothlorien with the aid of her ring, IIRC. But she said that once the One Ring was destroyed, "Lothlorien will fade."


this is why they all went to valinor in the end correct?
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Billobob » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:14 am

Do you mean the rings or the elves?
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Felarof » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:12 pm

Is there any more information about the "lesser rings"?

In Fellowship of the Ring - The Shadow of the Past, when Gandalf tells Frodo the history of the rings, he says:
In Eregion long ago many Elven-rings were made, magic rings as you call them, and they were, of course, of various kinds: some more potent and some less. The lesser rings were only essays in the craft before it was full-grown, and to the Elven-smiths they were but trifles - yet still to my mind dangerous for mortals.

I know Lord of the Rings quite well, but it's many years since I read Silmarillion, and I haven't read the further writings that have been published since Tolkien's death. So I'm curious about whether there are any further stories concerning the lesser rings, about what sort of powers they might have had, and what might become of a mortal who came into possession of one.

Can anyone enlighten me?
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby scirocco » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:08 pm

Nothing significant really. Tolkien developed the story of Celebrimbor in draft form, even going so far as to give him an unrequited romance with Galadriel, but didn't touch further on the rings themselves beyond what we know from LOTR and Of the Rings of Power.
Just to be clear, the term "lesser rings" can be used to refer to the Three, Seven and Nine in the context of the One Ring, as well as to refer to the unadorned "lesser, lesser" rings about which we know nothing beyond the "dangerous trifles" line from Gandalf.
No doubt there is fan-fiction out there that will fill the gap...:)
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Felarof » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:10 am

Thanks, Scirocco. It had occurred to me that the "dangerous trifles" could be a very useful source for fan-fiction, but not if it clashed with any genuine Tolkien references. Of course, like the Great Rings, I think it's safe to assume that their power would evaporate once the One Ring was destroyed.
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Morwenna » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:31 am

Would it? The One Ring was specifically designed to rule over the other 19 great rings, but did Sauron include in his intent all the rings made by Celebrimbor? Or were the lesser rings just forgotten, or shrugged off as not being worth the trouble?
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Felarof » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:21 pm

I was extrapolating from the fact that the destruction of the One Ring caused the loss of power even from the Three, which Sauron never touched. If it was as all-encompassing as that, I assumed that the lesser rings wouldn't have the chance of a snowflake in Mount Doom to retain their power. But I agree that it's ambiguous, and if Tolkien was never explicit, any readers or fan writers are free to draw their own conclusions.
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Re: What happened to the other Rings of Power

Postby Morwenna » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:17 am

True that Sauron never touched the Three, but he was very much aware of them. I was just wondering if his awareness was enough of a factor.
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