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Postby Valar » Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:30 am

Who do you think are the most powerful villains in the tolkien Universe? Here are my picks and I have ranked them:<BR><BR>1) Ungoliant (Similarion)<BR><BR>Great Evil Spider. It came to Arda (World of Undying Lands and Middle-Earth) with Morgoth to wreak havoc near the beginning of the Similarion. It is said that it could have devoured Morgoth if it wasn't for Morgoth's balrog army that bailed Morgoth out. Even Manwe, leader of the Valar (i.e. the "Zeus" figure of the Tolkien Universe), could not have penetrated the evil light of Ungoliant.<BR><BR>2) Morgoth (Similarion)<BR><BR>Creator of evil creatures such as Orcs and Dragons. He is the Demon God. He is also Sauron's master. He is said to be the most powerful of the Valar and can defeat any Valar one-on-one. He lies in the fortress of Angband. Almost all the evil forces in the world spring from Morgoth. At the end of the Similarion, he was trapped in the Void.<BR><BR>3) Sauron (Similarion/LOTR)<BR><BR>The right-hand-man of Morgoth. He is the leading evil force in LOTR. Unfortunately because he didn't have the One Ring, he only took the form of a "Single Eye" in LOTR. I'm ranking him this high because of the ages where he had a solid humanoid form (before the War of the Rings).<BR><BR>4) Glaurung (Similarion)<BR><BR>The father of all dragons. Ghastly creation of Morgoth.<BR><BR>5) Angalacon (Similarion)<BR><BR>One of the most powerful dragons in Similiarion.<BR><BR>6) Gothmog (Similarion)<BR><BR>The Captain of all balrogs. Besides dragons, the balrogs are the most feared beasts.<BR><BR>7) Saruman (LOTR)<BR><BR>Came with Gandalf and 3 others to stop Sauron in the LOTR. He is said to be the most powerful of the Wizards (istari) in the beginning of the trilogy.<BR><BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0> Witch-King (LOTR)<BR><BR>Leader of the Nazgul, right-hand of Sauron.<BR><BR>9 ) Smaug (Hobbit)<BR><BR>The goldish greedy dragon with bat wings.<BR><BR>10) Shelob (LOTR)<BR><BR>One of the children of Ungoliant. Slain by Frodo.<BR><BR><BR>runnerup: Nazgul (LOTR)<BR>The top-order servants of Sauron. Led by the Witch-King of Angmar.<BR><BR><BR>So here is my top 10. I could have missed a significant villain because I haven't read the Similarion and LOTR for a while. Hopefully you guys can fill me in if i accidentally missed someone.
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Postby Atanor » Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:42 am

Valar, well first we have to consider that Melkor was defeated in one-on-one combat by Tulkas when the Valar overthrew Utumno. Second, Ungoliant was a Maiar that Melkor corrupted, therefor Melkor (Morgoth) was of higher rank. The only reason he needed the Balrogs to bail him out was because was no longer accounted among the Valar, but remember that Morgoth himself did make Ungoliant what she was. I dont have time to explain all of my characters, but heres my list.<BR><BR>1) Morgoth<BR>2) Ungoliant<BR>3) Sauron<BR>4) Glaurung<BR>5) Gothmog<BR>6) Saruman<BR>7) Witchking<BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0> Nazgul (Nazgul should never be at the bottom of a list)<BR>9) Smaug<BR>10) Shelob
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Postby Valar » Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:57 am

Atanor,<BR><BR>thanks for the reply <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>My first reply on this message board. I'm new here.<BR><BR>Our list is very similar except the first two.<BR><BR>I chose Ungoliant over Morgoth because according to The Similarion and the Tolkien Beastiary, Ungoliant was more powerful than Morgoth. They even went on to say that Ungoliant's darkness was too much for Manwe.<BR><BR>There is a theory that Ungoliant was a Maiar of Morgoth but I don't buy into that theory. Anyways, strictly on a one-on-one battle, I feel that Ungoliant can take on Morgoth. It would be a close battle but Ungoliant will triumph. <BR><BR>Anyways, thanks for your comments. Hope we can have a good discussion about Ungoliant vs Morgoth.
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Postby Eric_Reese » Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:10 pm

1. Morgoth Bauglir. Evil incarnate, what else can you say?<BR>2. Sauron. Evil's right hand.<BR>3. Ungoliant. Killed the Two Trees. Pretty evil.<BR>4. Ancalagon the Black. Most powerful dragon ever.<BR>5. Glaurung the Gold. Father of Dragons, messed the Elves pretty bad. <BR>6. Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs. <BR>7. The Witch-King of Angmar. Wrecked Arnor pretty well.<BR>8. Smaug the Golden. Singlehandedly took out Erebor and Dale.<BR>9. Henry, the Balrog of Moria. Kicked out the Dwarves singlehandly.<BR>10. Saruman the White/Many Colored. Petty, but did deal quite the blow to Rohan and the Shire.
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Postby Tar-Elenion » Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:20 pm

Valar or Atanor: can either of you provide a quote in which JRRT says that Ungoliant is a Maia?<BR><BR>----------------------<BR>Quothe Valar:<BR>[Sauron]<BR>The right-hand-man of Morgoth. He is the leading evil force in LOTR. Unfortunately because he didn't have the One Ring, he only took the form of a "Single Eye" in LOTR. I'm ranking him this high because of the ages where he had a solid humanoid form (before the War of the Rings).<BR>----------------------------<BR><BR>Actually Sauron in the Third Age was incarnate not as a 'Single Eye' but in human form. In Letter 246 JRRT says: "Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic."<BR><BR>
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Postby Eol_of_Nan_Elmoth » Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:16 pm

Surely Smaug would have been able to defeat the Witch-King? He was a fire-dragon. WK was just some dead guy Sauron made powerful.
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Postby Olorin_Gandalf_Mithrandir » Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:25 pm

Lets see...my List<BR><BR>1. Morgoth-Created Ungoliant, Dragons, Orcs, Trolls and just about everything else evil.<BR>2. Ungoliant-Destroyer of the Two Trees, and would have ate the Silmarills, that would have been interesting...<BR>3. Sauron- Master of Darkness after the Fall of Morgoth, corupted Numenor, for better or worst.<BR>4. Lord of the Nazgul-Well, see in LoTR, there isnt many who could stand up to him, so he goes ahead.<BR>5. Angalacon-Most Powerful Dragon ever, the only one who might have been able to destroy the One Ring.<BR>6. Glaurung-Father of the winged feinds we like to call Dragons.<BR>7. Smaug-Most Powerful dragon of the 2 and 3rd ages.<BR>8. Sauroman-If it wasnt for this prick Gandalf would have told Bilbo about the ring way the heck before, and all would have been easier.<BR>9. Gothmog- Balrog, what more can you say?<BR>10. Shelob- Almost ended the Quest for Mount Doom.<BR><BR>
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Postby Nerdanel » Wed Apr 25, 2001 11:18 pm

1. Morgoth<BR>2. Ungoliant<BR>3. Sauron<BR>4. Ar-Pharazôn<BR>5. Ancalagon<BR>6. Glaurung<BR>7. Gothmog<BR>8. Saruman<BR>9. Balrog of Moria<BR>10. Smaug<BR><BR>The difficult thing here is that the powers change and some of these have armies while others have not. Also there are nameless dragons and balrogs that might have made to the list if their name had appeared somewhere.
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Postby Valar » Thu Apr 26, 2001 1:49 pm

Tar:<BR><BR>I don't think Ungoliant was a Maiar. He was a lot stronger. He almost took out Morgoth after he betrayed him. <BR><BR>And Sauron was a Eye form in LOTR. I'm sure of this. Do you want me to find the quote? It'll be hard for me to find it after all these years...<BR><BR>But it would be easier for you to lookup the Tolkien beastiary where they say that he has the form of an eye.
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Postby Gadget » Thu Apr 26, 2001 2:04 pm

Well, this could be kind of an ambiguous list at best. Some individuals could have been more powerful but caused less trouble/damage than others of probably lesser power. For instance, I would rate Angalacon the Black as more powerful than Glaurung, but I would list him lower on the list due to the sheer amount of grief and terror Glaurung caused during his longer sojourn in Middle-earth.<BR><BR>As for the Morgoth/Ungoliant issue, that brings up another point about this list being ambiguous. What do you mean by most powerful? That can mean more than shear physical size and/or strength, particularly in Middle-earth. It's not a question of who can bench press the most. To paraphrase Turin from Unfinished tales when speaking of Glaurung: "It is not the strength of his body that we must fear, great though that be, but the spirit of malice and darkness that dwells within him." (Don't have my book with me for a direct quote). <BR><BR>It says in several places that Morgoth was the greatest of all the Valar/Maiar, but that does not mean he was better or stronger at everything than anyone else. He did not seem to do well at direct physical confrontations (capture at Utummo, Ungoliant, Fingolfin fight, his defeat by Manwe's herald at the end of the first age) so to measure him in such a manner distorts the facts somewhat. Morgoth seemed to concentrate his power in dominating and corrupting other beings, creatures, peoples, and even the earth itself. This was one of the reasons he was taken so easily in the War of Wrath (after the army of the Valar had waded through hordes of ocs, trolls, balrogs, dragons, werewolves, vampires, etc. to get to him), he had squandered the greater part of his power on corrupting other things. Indeed he put a part of his power in Ungoliant for their combined attack on the Two Trees, so that by channeling a part of his power through her unique being and attributes, he was able to achieve a result he could not obtain on his own. This, combined with Ungoliant's exceptional ability to suck life and light from other things, produced a result that surprised even him. So I would say that at that particular time and under those particular circumstances Ungoliant had Morgoth at a disadvantage, not that she was inherently more powerful than he was. <BR>
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Postby Gadget » Thu Apr 26, 2001 2:15 pm

Valar, Sauron was not literaly in the physical form of an eye in tLotR. It does not say that anywhere in the text. The eye is used to symbolize him and his power in many ways, but that does not mean he had the physical form on some floating eye. <BR><BR>As for the Tolkien Beastiary, that is my no means canon, it is merely someone's (and not the original author's) opinion, and in many cases an ill-thoughtout opinion.
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Postby Tar-Elenion » Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:30 pm

--------------------------------<BR>Quothe Olorin_Gandalf_Mithrandir:<BR>1. Morgoth-Created Ungoliant, Dragons, Orcs, Trolls and just about everything else evil.<BR><BR>Quothe Valar:<BR>2) Morgoth (Similarion)<BR>Creator of evil creatures such as Orcs and Dragons<BR>--------------------------------------<BR><BR>Morgoth did not 'create'. He was not capable of creating independant species. He corrupted and perverted already extant beings. <BR><BR>Ungoliant was certainly not created by Morgoth. She was corrupted into Morgoths service in the deeps of Time, and descended into Arda from the darkness that lay about it. She was likely an Ainu of some sort and created by Eru.<BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------<BR>Quothe Valar:<BR>And Sauron was a Eye form in LOTR. I'm sure of this. Do you want me to find the quote? It'll be hard for me to find it after all these years...<BR><BR>But it would be easier for you to lookup the Tolkien beastiary where they say that he has the form of an eye. <BR>----------------------------------<BR><BR>JRRT says that Sauron 'took the form of a man'. Gollum speaks of Sauron's hand. In the sketch that JRRT drew of Sauron (see JRR Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator, picture # 181) Sauron is depicted in a humanoid shape.<BR><BR>David Day (author of the 'Tolkien Beastiary') is not a great authority on JRRT's works (IMO), and has been known to simply make up things. I would trust what JRRT says over David Day.<BR><BR>
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Postby Olorin_Gandalf_Mithrandir » Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:41 pm

I did mean "Make" in that sense. I meant he corupted things, and he corupted Ungoliunt, so I used the word "made"
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Postby Denethor » Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:46 pm

I agree that the list is a bit ambiguous, but here goes anyway...<BR>(I have just assumed that each is at the height of their power)<BR><BR>1. Morgoth (before he spent all his power in trying to corrupt)<BR>2. Ar-Pharazon (not in terms of his individual power, but in terms of army power - he is descibed as "the mightiest tyrant since the reign of Morgoth")<BR>3. Sauron (the Second Age before his armies were defeated by Ar-Pharazon)<BR>4. Ungoliant (she was chased away by the combined power of the Balrogs so I put her lower than Sauron)<BR>5. Ancalagon<BR>6. Smaug<BR>7. Glaurung (goes below Smaug since Glaurung couldn't fly)<BR>8. Saruman the White (superior to Gandalf the Grey who killed a Balrog so I would put Saruman above the Balrogs)<BR>9. Gothmog Lord of Balrogs<BR>10.Henry the Balrog of Moria<BR><BR>The Witch-King and Shelob narrowly miss out.
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Postby Isengrim » Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:49 pm

Carcharoth was pretty powerful too! He DID eat a Silmaril, and did what Morgoth didn't!
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Postby Denethor » Thu Apr 26, 2001 5:00 pm

That's a good one Isengrim! I had forgotten about Carcharoth. I would probably put him at number 8, move Saruman down to 9th, and Gothmog down to 10th (poor old Henry now misses out <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)
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Postby Valar » Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:43 am

Tar:<BR><BR>Well, I would certainly put his words over yours. Have you published anything?<BR><BR>And Morgoth did create the orcs and the dragons. They were not already existant. Get your facts straight.<BR><BR>Your arguments supporting Sauron has a man form in LOTR are very weak. The picture that Tolkien drew was an image he thought Sauron would look like. It in no way represented Sauron in the TIME of the LOTR. And the party and gollem has never seen Sauron. So they would not know his *true* form. Sauron needed the One Ring to get a physical humanoid form. This is so blatantly obvious that I would assume a person of your knowledge would understand this. oh well. nobody's perfect.<BR>
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Postby Epor » Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:43 am

Denethor, by what logic do you rate Saruman over Gothmog? He was the LORD of the balrogs, so probably the difference in strenght between him and a "generic" balrog would be similar to a great hero and an average soldier. This is of course IMO, and I'm not suggesting your wrong, just curious as to how you reached that order. So, how did you? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Mitheradan » Fri Apr 27, 2001 7:30 am

Hey Valar, <BR><BR>Just for the record, Gollum did see Sauron. He was captured in Mordor and brought before Sauron. Sauron basically tortured Gollum into telling him everything he knew about the ring and what had happened to it.<BR><BR>I don't think that he needed the ring to take on a humaniod form but he would need the ring to take on a strong humaniod form.<BR><BR>And as far as David Day is concerned, it has long been the consensus of most people on this board that he is not a great authority on Tolkien. I have the Tolkien Beastiary and it has several incorrect things in it.
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Postby Tar-Elenion » Fri Apr 27, 2001 4:23 pm

----------------------------------------------<BR>Quothe Valar:<BR>Tar:<BR>Well, I would certainly put his words over yours. Have you published anything?<BR>----------------------------------------------<BR><BR>You are at liberty to take David Day's words over mine. However if you will be so kind as to reread some of my posts you will see that I posted quotes and cites from JRR Tolkien himself. Of course you are also at liberty to take David Day's words over those of JRR Tolkien. <BR><BR>-------------------------------------<BR>Quothe Valar:<BR>And Morgoth did create the orcs and the dragons. They were not already existant. Get your facts straight.<BR>------------------------------------<BR><BR>No Morgoth did not 'create' Orcs and Dragons (depending on what you mean by 'create'). Morgoth could not 'create' beings of independant will. He corrupted and perverted already existing creatures into Orcs and Dragons. I would suggest you read the essays by JRRT contained in HoME 10, Morgoth's Ring. JRRT addresses this quite specifically in those essays. As I recall he also addresses this in 'Letters'. I dont have the books with me but I will provide direct quotes later. Of course if you are using 'create' in the sense 'Olorin_Gandalf_Mithrandir' implied he was actually meaning in responce to my post it could just be an inexact choice of words.<BR><BR>-------------------------------------<BR>Quote:<BR>Your arguments supporting Sauron has a man form in LOTR are very weak. The picture that Tolkien drew was an image he thought Sauron would look like. It in no way represented Sauron in the TIME of the LOTR. And the party and gollem has never seen Sauron. So they would not know his *true* form. Sauron needed the One Ring to get a physical humanoid form. This is so blatantly obvious that I would assume a person of your knowledge would understand this. oh well. nobody's perfect.<BR>----------------------------------------<BR><BR>Weak? I thought my quote from JRRT in which the author states that 'Sauron took the form of man' was fairly strong, of course you are welcome to believe what David Day says, but I will take JRRT at his word. <BR>Do you have 'JRR Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator'? It says the picture that JRRT drew of Sauron was intended for the cover of Return of the King.<BR>Sauron did not need the Ring to take a physical humanoid form. He was capable of incarnating without the use of the Ring (and had incarnated well before he made the One), and as JRRT says 'Sauron was in the form of a man' even without the Ring in his possession. The One could be used to enhance personal power, dominate wills, render a wearer invisible, render the invisible visible, and had an effect on 'Time' (slowing down decay or change). But I have read nothing indicating that one of the Powers it had was to give Sauron the ability to take on a 'physical human form' (though it may have enhanced Sauron's personal ability to do so).<BR>As Mitheradan pointed out Gollum was brought before Sauron. The experience is described in LotR.<BR>
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Postby Denethor » Fri Apr 27, 2001 5:57 pm

Epor: Here's why I would put Saruman over Gothmog. I recall reading in another thread that Tolkien finally decided that there were only 7 Balrogs (although someone can correct me on that). With only 6 competitors Gothmog wouldn't need alot of extra power to claim the title 'Lord of Balrogs'. Also, I think Saruman was capable of performing 'magic at a distance' (I am not sure whether Gothmog had similar capabilities). Finally, Gothmog was slain by Ecthelion - I don't think too many elves would be capable of killing Saruman when Saruman was at the height of his power.
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Postby Epor » Fri Apr 27, 2001 11:57 pm

Only seven balrogs?!? Thats news to me, I thought there were something like 30-60 balrogs at least. Several were killed in the Fall of Gondolin, and still more in the War of Wrath, so seven seems awfully low.
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Postby Olorin_Gandalf_Mithrandir » Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:11 pm

Well, on the subject of Balrogs...there was a discussion about this, and apperantly Tolkien at first thought there was many Balrogs, but then said only 7...I dont know.
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Postby Isengrim » Sat Apr 28, 2001 1:21 pm

Right on OGM!<BR><BR>Tolkien did at first think that. I don't remember where it is stated though.
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Postby pippintk » Sat Apr 28, 2001 4:19 pm

Woah!!! There are only about 7 Balrogs??!?!?!? Thats new info to me. But I think the whole thing about Ungoliant being supreme evil is beyond me. (old subject, I know) Here's moi's list:<BR><BR>1. Morgoth<BR>2. Ungoliant ( I do hope I'm spelling it right...)<BR>3. Sauron<BR>4. Gothmog<BR>5. Angalacon<BR>6. Witch-King<BR>7. Saruman<BR>8. Glaurung<BR>9. Smaug<BR>10. Shelob<BR><BR>Huzzah, and I just put this together without much thought, so don't get mad.....Get Glad!!!!<BR><BR>Pippintk-<BR>I shall smite you...<BR>
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Postby Olorin_Gandalf_Mithrandir » Sat Apr 28, 2001 4:21 pm

I was right? YEA!
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Postby galadhwen » Mon Apr 30, 2001 3:40 pm

Wouldn't you think Sauron would need human form in order to take the Ring? Unless he was an eye with fingers. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>:<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>My list:<BR><BR>(Hmmm...Ungoliant or Morgoth...)<BR><BR>1.Ungoliant. She had Morgoth 1:1, Morgoth + all his Balrogs and flunkies did more damage as a group, but she had this all coonsuming lust. Morgoth wanted to control, she wanted to consume, to annihilate. She took no prisoners, and she was not in Morgoth's influence.<BR><BR>2.Melkor/Morgoth. First had the idea of evil. Early influence in the careers of many great villains.<BR><BR>3.Sauron. Morgoth's right hand man and successor. The Lord of the Rings. <BR><BR>4.Saruman. <BR><BR>5.Witch King as Nazgul Lord.<BR><BR>6.Glaurung. He may have been less powerful than Ancalagon, but he made good use of what (not insignificant) power he did have.<BR><BR>7.Ancalagon.<BR><BR>8.Gothmog. <BR><BR>9.Henry. <BR><BR>10.Carcharoth. <BR><BR>(11.Ar-Pharazon. In terms of power. If ou were ranking in terms of deeds, he'd be around 5 or 6.)
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Postby Elven_Lady_of_Lorien » Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:52 am

1. Morgoth - The ultimate foe of the free people of Middle Earth<BR>2. Gothmog - Lord of the Balrogs<BR>3. Glaurung - Mighty dragon!!!<BR>4. Sauron - Evil ringmaker<BR>5. Lurtz - EVIL EVIL EVIL BOROMIR-SLAYER!!!<BR>6. Angalacon - Another mighty dragon.<BR>7. Arwen - Evil man-stealer!<BR>8. Ungoliant - BIG spider<BR>9. Shelob - Slightly smaller spider<BR>10. Smaug - Yet another mighty dragon
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Postby Armenelos » Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:04 am

1. Glaurung (poor finduilas <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> )<BR> 2. Ungoliant<BR> 3. Azog<BR> 4. Cúrunir<BR> 5. ArPharazon<BR> 6. Mîm the Dwarf<BR> 7. Saruman<BR> 8. Denethor<BR> 9. Grima Wormtongue<BR>10. The Sackville Bagginses
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Postby Buckterium » Sun Feb 10, 2002 12:47 pm

But Ungoliant only became that powerful because Melkor let her drink the blood of the two trees. I don't think she would be able to pose a threat to Melkor. So, I think Ungoliant is possibly the most.<BR><BR>So here's my list but bear in mind that I only read half of Sil! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>1.Melkor <BR>2.Ungoliant(before drinking the sap of the Two Trees)<BR>3.Sauron<BR>4.Glaurung<BR>5.Witch-King<BR>6.Saruman(Saruman over Witch-king because even Gandalf thw White was afraid of the Witch-King in LotR)<BR>7.Carcharoth<BR>8.Smaug<BR>9.Shelob<BR>10.Feanor? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>
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