Why did Frodo go to the Undying Lands?

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Postby Highwonder » Wed Aug 15, 2001 4:24 pm

I was just thinking about stuff that confused me in the books and I never did understand why Frodo, a hobbit, went to the land of the elves.
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Postby Vercelestarrioler » Wed Aug 15, 2001 4:36 pm

They left to the Undying Lands/Valinor, because they deserved to go. Frodo was ill, and needed cure to his disease. The Elfs left because they had no more business in Middle-earth.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Lord V.
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Postby Gonadan » Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:21 am

Frodo always like the Elves, and I can imagine why he wanted to go. I would have gone with the Elves too. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Aragorn_sonof_arathorn_hk » Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:19 am

I think Frodo really deserve this great treat. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>btw, what's your opinion upon Gimli Gloin's son after ROTK? In appendix A it said "We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Gloin's son with him because of their great friendship..." If you are Gimli, would you go with Legolas?
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Postby fatcatdave » Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:09 am

Frodo was able to go to Valinor becuse he was a ring bearer and a special place was made for him as it was the only place he could heal, incidentley Bilbo and Gandalf went with him, and it is said that even Sam made the crossing as he bore the ring after Frodo was betrayed by Gollum and attacked by Shelob. Another member of the nine walkers to go was Gimli Take by his friend Legolas. It's A big book and is very difficult to take it all in, read it again. I've read it 30 - 40 times and i'm still finding new stuff ( don't forget to read all the appendices)
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Postby calentauristar » Tue Aug 21, 2001 4:11 am

they went to Aman because everythink has to fade away in Middle Earth, like Tolkien himself mentioned, be it mortal or immortal<BR><BR>and, of course, he deserved it, being the one who solved a big problem.... not alone!
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Postby Mithrandir316 » Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:52 pm

To be honest, Ive wondered often why this was the case also. The destruction of the One may have been an incredible event, but surely there were others that have done compareable acts of note that could not pass into the blessed kingdom. <BR><BR> Another good question is how did Gimli and Frodo pass over. They were both members of races that did not dwell in Valinor, or all of Aman. How was it that they crossed. Was it due to the will of Iluvatar? they were both mortal. Alone was Tuor, of all mortals, allowed to pass into the West. Did Gimli really compare with him in the eyes of the Valar?
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Postby LiMuBai » Thu Aug 30, 2001 11:55 pm

<i>The destruction of the One may have been an incredible event, but surely there were others that have done compareable acts of note that could not pass into the blessed kingdom. </i><BR>i believe that those who have achieved much but weren't able to go to Valinor either decided not to go (most likely because of their love for ME) or simply died (i.e. Elendil, Aragorn, etc.).<BR><BR><i>Another good question is how did Gimli and Frodo pass over. They were both members of races that did not dwell in Valinor, or all of Aman. How was it that they crossed. Was it due to the will of Iluvatar? they were both mortal. Alone was Tuor, of all mortals, allowed to pass into the West. Did Gimli really compare with him in the eyes of the Valar?</i><BR>Frodo went with Gandalf, who was himself a Maiar so he had a pretty good reference right there. plus Cirdan himself brought them (unless i'm mistaken). Gimli went with Legolas, the last elf to cross over. being companions of the ring, Gimli would surely have gotten credit for his participation in the struggle against Sauron, even if he wasn't viewed with the same "exceptional credentials" as Tuor or Frodo. The same could be said of Sam, who was also a ringbearer for a while.<BR><BR>
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Postby Joraton » Tue Sep 04, 2001 9:10 pm

I had the same question too. Thanks. But my real question now is... Why did he go then? Couldn't he have waited about 30 years or so? Sam was pretty sad. I mean, isn't seeing your friends enough to make up for a pain in the shoulder? Also I was wondering if The Blessed Realm gives immortality. I've heard people think so and think not.
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Postby Túor » Wed Sep 05, 2001 4:03 am

I think that going to Aman was the only way that he could be fully cured of his wounds (both physical and mental). He probably died before he would have in ME because of the bliss of Valinor.
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Postby Ar-Alexandros » Wed Sep 05, 2001 8:08 am

I think Frodo went because he was deeply wounded physically and mentally from the Nazgul blade and the effect of the Ring. Only in Aman would he be able to find (relative) peace.
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Postby jallan » Wed Sep 05, 2001 5:12 pm

<i>Why did Frodo go with the Elves to Aman at the end of the ROTK?</i><BR><BR>To get to the other side.
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Postby Túor » Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:31 am

Oooh, that was a wicked answer Jallan!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Túor » Sat Sep 08, 2001 5:47 pm

Looks like the thread is over...
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Postby Earnil » Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:21 am

If you pay close attention to detail at the end of ROTK you will notice that not only did Gandalf and the Elves go with Frodo and Bilbo, but that Galadriel and Elrond also went. This happened because they were the last to guard the elf rings. And seeing as the one ring was gone so was the power of the elf rings so they had no reason to stay. And because Bilbo and Frodo had both at one time guarded the one ring they had to leave Middle Earth with the remaining rings.
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Postby jallan » Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:52 pm

Well Sam also guarded the One Ring for a short time, and he left much later, not with the others. (And Tom Bombadil had it, even wore it, for a shorter time still.)<BR><BR>From <i>Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien</i>, letter 154:<br><br><< <i></i>But in this story it is supposed that there may be certain rare exceptions or accommodations (legitimately supposed? there always seem to be exceptions); and so certain 'mortals', who have played some great part in Elvish affairs, may pass with the Elves to Elvenhome. Thus Frodo (by the express gift of Arwen) and Bilbo, and eventually Sam (as adumbrated by Frodo); and as a unique exception Gimli the Dwarf, as friend of Legolas and 'servant' of Galadriel.<i></i> >><br><br>That is problably that most complete explanation given to add to that of Frodo's necessary "healing".<BR><BR>In a way it certainly doesn't make sence. Did not Imrahil prince of Dol Amroth, for example, act with as much bravery and competence in his role as Gimli did in his, and so did many others?<BR><BR>It's almost as though the important thing is who you know, not what you have done. An exception is made from Gimli as "'servant' of Galadrial", a most odd reason. <BR><BR>I think it is partly not fully explicable because it follows general logic of story telling rather than the logic of this particular story. It is a flourish at the end, somewhat like those at the end of a comedy where almost all the characters are paired up for marriage.<BR><BR>As such a flourish at the end of the tale, Gimli's crossing feels right, in that we all want the best for the good old Fellowship, and it is so right that he should go with Legolas, until one starts thinking carefully.<BR><BR>
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Re: Why did Frodo go to the Undying Lands?

Postby Billobob » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:36 am

The reason Frodo went to ValInot is that he was scarred both mentally and physically so that he couldn't find any pleasure in life so he went to the undying lands to maybe be healed and find happiness before he died.
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