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Postby Denethor » Sun Dec 03, 2000 4:13 pm

Who is your least favourite character?<BR>Mine would have to be Grima Wormtongue.
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Postby Melilot » Sun Dec 03, 2000 4:31 pm

Tom Bombadil. <BR>I aways feel so embarrassed for his bad couplets. And I hate having to feel embarrassment on behalf of a literary character.<BR><BR>Mel
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Postby Alio » Sun Dec 03, 2000 4:56 pm

Hmmm. Do you mean dislike as a character or as a literary tool? For charachter, mine is the same as my fave, Feanor <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>. I dunno, he just does sucj jerky, stupid thing's! Man, when the Teleri won't give him their ship's he will just go up and <i>take them</i>! What a nerve.
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Postby Denethor » Sun Dec 03, 2000 4:59 pm

I meant as a character.
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Postby TheLadyEowyn » Sun Dec 03, 2000 4:59 pm

Hmm, I definately agree with Denethor, Grima just rubs me the wrong way.
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Postby RoseGamgee » Sun Dec 03, 2000 5:00 pm

My least favorite character has to be Gollum. I just was soooo mad when he betrayed Sam and Frodo. I was pretty mad at Ewoyn and Farimar for falling in love because I thought Aragorn would marry Ewoyn, but then I read about Aragorn and Arwen I and I learned what really happend<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Elbren » Sun Dec 03, 2000 5:08 pm

Least favorite character...Grima is fairly rotten and Bill Ferny is nasty as well...since so many are already after Grima, I'll take Bill Ferny <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Orc#5063 » Sun Dec 03, 2000 6:01 pm

Feanor, the embodiment of Elvish Evil.
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Postby galfromlorien » Sun Dec 03, 2000 7:09 pm

Ioreth!You know,the woman from the Houses of Healing?I don't know why but I just can't stand her!she's so annoying(IMHO).Especially after the war when everyone is coming back to Minas Tirith.
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Postby Thorin_Oakenshield » Sun Dec 03, 2000 7:53 pm

Ioreth yes!!! Same here. I like Bill and Grima as characters. Sure they're evil. My least fav overall though, is Thranduil. He really had no business in Erebor.!! Arg, taking my treasure!!
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Postby roninscot2 » Sun Dec 03, 2000 8:09 pm

LOBELIA SACKVILLE-BAGGINS!!!!!!!!!!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby Lomedhel » Sun Dec 03, 2000 10:35 pm

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH of course Thranduril!!!!! he's such a stupid guy!!!! i can't stand him!!! what would he want in erebor? why did he imprison the dwarfs? it made me CRAZY! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0> (in fact i don't like him but i was just kidding).<BR>I like Grima and Gollum as they are. of course i wouldn't befriend them, but...
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Postby Kelannar » Sun Dec 03, 2000 11:55 pm

My least favorite character is the herb-master in the Houses of Healing. He is totally useless to everyone involved, and even Aragorn makes fun of him. Tolkien doesn't even give him a name. At least Grima and Feanor are interesting as far as personalities. This herb-guy is nothing.<BR>
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Postby Iman » Mon Dec 04, 2000 12:10 am

Mine was Ted Sandyman. He was such a pain!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>Just had to have his way didn't he?<BR>And well, i didnt really like Denethor much either<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>He was, i guess, too proud and thought whatever he believed was right(how could he even think Gandalf wanted to rule Middle-Earth??) and there was no denying it.<BR>He neither believed in himself nor others.<BR><BR>And congratulations to you Rose Gamgee on getting your first jewel!<BR> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Gollum was too pitiable for me to dislike <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Although i hated him for betraying Frodo and Sam, but he almost didn't if you remember. If it were someone else, he probably would have done it without second thought.
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Postby Mithfânion » Mon Dec 04, 2000 1:25 am

Haha Kel!<BR><BR>I thought the herb-guy was very funny but only because he was perfect too make fun of. He was such a short-sighted moron, I love it when Aragorn does a number on him, one of the best moments in the book for me
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Mon Dec 04, 2000 1:52 am

Ioreth is my least favourite character in LOTR. She's SO irritating, the way she jabbers on as Aragorn approaches Minas Tirith in triumph, with the hobbits and the armies of the West. It's a solemn, joyous, powerful occasion and there she is, nattering away ... talk about bathos.<BR><BR>I'm not a Tom Bombadil fan either.
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Postby Belegûr » Mon Dec 04, 2000 2:29 am

My least favourite character???? Gandalf. He is so...no, just kidding...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I really don't like Ioreth, for the same reasons as others have pointed out...
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Postby Eol_of_Nan_Elmoth » Mon Dec 04, 2000 3:51 am

Everyone is going to hate me for saying this, but I have always hated Sam Gamgee. Yes that's right. I hate Sam. He is just an untrustworthy little fool. Gollum would have repented if he hadn't gone ape at him when he was patting Frodo. Sam didn't trust Aragorn, or Faramir, and the way he treated Frodo was bordering on homosexuality. Sorry, I just can't stand the guy. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Mon Dec 04, 2000 4:26 am

Oh Lord, the usual homophobic reason for not liking Sam. Why do people never question dear Frodo's sexuality, hmmmm? All those years of 'supposed' celibacy at Bag End? Pull the other one ... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Eol, you do Sam a grave disservice. Sam has his faults - that bit when he trashes Gollum's moment of repentance is awful - but who wouldn't want a loyal friend like him to get you through the hell of Mordor? And his suspicion of Aragorn and Faramir is totally understandable, given the circumstances - and given the fact that he's your average insular and rather prejudiced hobbit. His 'Mr Frodo can do no wrong' attitude can certainly get on my nerves. But I find the touchy-feely stuff between him and Frodo very beautiful, and I couldn't care less about the homoerotic undertones.<BR><BR>And hey, I really like your on-line character. They were pretty mean to him in Gondolin, don't you think? Isn't his son Maeglin a rat-bag? I always think Eol was a very sexy Elf ... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Yeah, Maeglin can join Ioreth and Tom Bombadil on my 'least favourite' list. Feanor was a rat-bag too, but he DID have style! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Eol_of_Nan_Elmoth » Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:22 am

It isn't actually the homophobic thing. I am not homophobic, I have 2 friends who are gay, and it doesn't bother me. I was just trying to give weight to the argument <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> The main reason I don't like him is just the way he never trusts anyone, and that he is so naive. <BR><BR>Yes, I always felt a bit sorry for Eol. The way Turgon was so mean to him. Imagine how poor Eol must have felt when the javelin hit Aredhel. She should have stayed out of the way and let that little bunnyslipper Maeglin die... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:55 am

OK, Eol. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> Sam's suspiciousness towards Maggot makes me laugh, his 'Yes Mr Frodo, no Mr Frodo' act makes me want to smack him upside the head, his jealous reaction to Gollum makes me cry, and his bravery at Cirith Ungol makes me want to cheer. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I think Turgon was way too hard on Eol. OK, so Eol was rather dodgy the way he seduced Aredhel into being his wife, but give the guy a break ... his wife and son left him, no wonder he wanted to find them. He wasn't evil, just misunderstood. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> And I like the way he was a bit different and independent from the other Elves, and hung out with the Dwarves. I guess Aredhel can't have loved him, otherwise she'd have stuck up for him in Gondolin. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby Melilot » Mon Dec 04, 2000 8:23 am

Ioreth is a bit annoying but she is a good literary device. Tolkien is keeping himself from undue grandeur by having her describe the ceremony. He was a modest man - and I am sure he wanted to avoid the Star Wars parade effect (though, of course, I am wilfully anachronistic here).<BR><BR>I wondered, Do you think that may have been some result of the coronation of Elizabeth II? That seems to have been a street festival all over Britain, with most people remembering the reaction of the small people, huddled up in the one living room with a TV in their street, and having partied afterwards. Just a different perspective, but an interesting one. And not really grand. <BR>But I am not sure about the chronology of the book here.<BR><BR>Mel
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Postby roaccarcsson » Mon Dec 04, 2000 8:35 am

Interesting thought, Mel -- but I don't believe the chronology fits. QEII was crowned in 1953, right? I don't have my sources here to check but I believe LotR had been finished for some time by then. (It took a while for Allen & Unwin to make up their minds to publish it.)
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Postby FraKcture » Mon Dec 04, 2000 9:01 am

There seems to be some confusion about what exactly "least favorite character" means. So I'll give a twofold answer.<BR><BR>Character which I thought was weak / didn't work too well:<BR>Eonwe (the Herald of Manwe). This character was "demoted" from the "son of Manwe" from the earliest versions of the Silmarillion. I always felt Tulkas' role should have been expanded to cover the duties of Eonwe. The "Champion of the Valar" mostly just beat up Morgoth. Who better to guard the recovered Silmarils at the end of the War of Wrath? But then again, I suppose he might have had his hands full with Morgoth and all...<BR><BR>Character which I simply did not like:<BR>Uldor the accursed.
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Postby Mithfânion » Mon Dec 04, 2000 10:09 am

I agree<BR>Uldor was I think the main reason the Elves failed to defeat Morgoth in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears, he was a bast@rd..<BR><BR>I always liked Eonwe though. He wasn't active enough to my mind, I would have liked it if the Prof. Had involved him more. I asked if someone on this board knew other tales (perhaps in HoME) of Eonwe but there weren't any.<BR><BR>But it would have also been very cool if it was Tulkas that was the supreme warrior of Arda. Now you have him purely as a wrestler..
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Postby FraKcture » Mon Dec 04, 2000 10:51 am

I think in the Book of Lost Tales Eonwe as the son of Manwe had a somewhat larger role. I've only read those books once and it has been awhile. Might have to go dig them out.
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Postby Nerdanel » Tue Dec 05, 2000 6:13 am

I think Bergil is really annoying.
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Postby TommyB » Tue Dec 05, 2000 7:24 am

I always thought Legolas was a bit of a pansie for an elf. He had no ticker, hiding behind his bow, picking off orcs from afar.<BR><BR>"Ieeee, a Balrog has come!" (Followed by sodden pants)<BR><BR>The elves of old treated Balrogs with contempt. Feanor took on an entire pack of them by himself. Sure, Gothmog smote him, wounding him fatally, but Feanor far from shat himself at the sight of one Balrog.
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Postby RavenTinuviel » Tue Dec 05, 2000 9:04 am

I was going to say the healer but Kellanar already got him.
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Postby Mithfânion » Tue Dec 05, 2000 10:26 am

Feanor was ten times more powerful than Legolas. That might explain Legolas' reaction to the Balrog
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