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Postby Iman » Sat Dec 09, 2000 3:55 am

Oooooohhhhhhh... that's a really emotional post DonIncognito!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>But well..Bilbo did seem to change in LOTR..he was wonderful in The Hobbit <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Denethor » Sat Dec 09, 2000 4:22 pm

To be fair on Bilbo, he was 128 years old... perhaps we can allow him<BR>a bit of relaxation (even if he was turning senile).
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Postby DonIncognito » Sun Dec 10, 2000 2:13 am

Truthfully, it wasn't that Bilbo was resting at Imladris, it was how he did it, his eyes just closing up whenever he felt drowsy. Kind of like George C. Scott's character in the movie <i>Angus</i>. Although I was relieved when Bilbo offered to be the ring-bearer and that everybody took him seriously when he did. And of course if he hadn't been there to give over Sting and his mithril-mail to Frodo, Frodo wouldn't have survived to complete his mission. But still, couldn't Tolkien have allowed Bilbo to keep his eyes open for half a minute? It just wasn't humorous: "Oh look, poor old Bilbo has drowsed off again! Let's all point at Bilbo and laugh, children!" Ha ha ha...gimme a break! That just isn't true to the character from <i>The Hobbit</i>.
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Mon Dec 11, 2000 2:45 am

I think you're rather missing the point. Bilbo's apparent senility is due to the EFFECTS OF THE RING. Funny, lovable Bilbo has become 'thin and stretched' through his ownership of the Ring. <BR><BR>And if you think the effects of the Ring on Bilbo were bad enough, think about poor Frodo. And then Gollum. Bilbs got off pretty lightly.
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Postby GoodSam » Mon Dec 11, 2000 9:01 am

Thanks Diamond for the defense of Bilbo. I was biting my tongue (metaphorically) because I was afraid I would flame out on The Don.
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Postby DonIncognito » Mon Dec 11, 2000 10:15 pm

Look, if you want to attribute Bilbo's senility to the effects of the Ring, I'll buy that. But it shouldn't have been played for a laugh. It was stupid and not funny. If that was what Bilbo had been reduced to, comic relief, he shouldn't have been included in the book at all.
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Postby DonIncognito » Mon Dec 11, 2000 10:18 pm

And yes, I know Bilbo was played up for a few laughs in the Hobbit, but those laughs stemmed from the situations he got himself into, not because of a mental malady.
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Tue Dec 12, 2000 1:40 am

Comic relief? I never read it that way at all, Don. I found it pathetic and moving. And when Bilbo called the Ring 'precious', a shiver went down my spine.
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Postby GoodSam » Tue Dec 12, 2000 8:21 am

Diamond,<BR><BR>Right. Bilbo was pathetic when he saw the ring in Rivendell. My 8-year-old son immediately caught the significance of him calling the ring "Precious." I also liked how Bilbo continued with his poetry and writing while in Rivendell. I think it lent more credence to the idea that the Redbook was written by him.<BR><BR>As for him falling asleep all the time: I have spent a considerable amount of time with 90+ year old people. They do tend to nod in and out a bit.<BR><BR>I'm sorry Don, I just don't share your frustration with Bilbo being in the LOTR. I am a sentimentalist, though, so I may see it in a different way than you.
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Tue Dec 12, 2000 9:24 am

Hey, Sam. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Bilbo was so lovable and funny in 'The Hobbit'. He starts off in LOTR as the kind and benevolent uncle who adopted an orphan boy who desperately needed a family. I laughed at his snide remarks on the notes he left for his relations. But he was OLD ... and once he had passed the Ring onto Frodo, and left it behind him, his old age was accelerated by that ... and even more so after the Ring's destruction.<BR><BR>The pathos of his old age is very striking in LOTR. It's a brave author who dares to make a beloved character so different in the sequel.
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Postby GoodSam » Tue Dec 12, 2000 9:40 am

Diamond,<BR><BR>One of my favorite lines in all of the books is from Bilbo at the farewell party. I don't remember it verbatim though. It was something like, "I've known half of less than I would like and others more than I would like." Whatever the actual quote was, it was brutally honest and funny. I could have used it for a lot of places I've worked or lived.<BR><BR>I think Tolkien did a masterful job showing the way the ring changes people in awful ways. I think he was trying to show that with time even Bilbo would have become like Gollum. It also set up the final scene in the Cracks of Doom when Frodo could not destroy the ring.<BR><BR>BTW, I wonder who DonIngognito really is. Could he be an old-timer here in disquise?
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Postby InnocentEvil » Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:22 am

Sam, Gandalf as much as says that Bilbo would have become just like Gollum if he had continued to possess the ring. <BR>I totally understand why some people dislike Bilbo.. he's weak, he's old, he's kind of childish. However, he ranks right up there with my favorite characters, and partially for those reasons. He's so human, he lies, he cheats, but he feels bad about it, and in the end, he has a good little heart. He's kind of bad and good, evil and innocent.. hmmmm... now what does that make me think of???<BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR>Evil
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Postby GoodSam » Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:32 am

Innocent,<BR><BR>I have no idea.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> BTW. What's the temp up there today?
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Postby DonIncognito » Tue Dec 12, 2000 8:41 pm

Alright, you all liked Bilbo's appearance in <i>LOTR</i>, I didn't. You all found him pitiable, whereas I felt he was just played up for a few laughs. But don't get me wrong, I loved the little guy in <i>The Hobbit</i>. I just didn't think he worked at all in <i>LOTR</i> and shuoldn't have been included, at least in the way he was.
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Postby DonIncognito » Tue Dec 12, 2000 8:44 pm

Now, let just be friends, huh? (If we were even enemies in the first place.)
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Postby GoodSam » Tue Dec 12, 2000 8:59 pm

Don,<BR><BR>Nah, there's no animosity here. After a brief moment of complete disbelief, I calmed down. I also have the same reaction towards people who think Tom Bombadill is a stupid character. There is really very little I am critical of in Tolkien's work, and somehow I expect everyone else to feel the same way.
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Postby Diamond of Long Cleeve » Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:56 am

Ah now, Sam ... I have to admit that while I like Bombadil, those incessant rhyming couplets get on my nerves. I always imagine poor Frodo, stuck in the Barrow, thinking, 'heck, now I have to recite an incredibly embarrassing rhyme to get myself out of danger'. I love all the poetry in LOTR except Tom's! <BR><BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Iman » Wed Dec 13, 2000 2:16 am

I loved Tom Bombadil. He didn't(in my opinion) care about what he sang, he just sang..and that shows how carefree he was..and happy.. he was magical <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>Any ....comments? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Mithfânion » Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:09 am

I found Tom Bombadil to be totally out of place in regard to the storyline of the Lord of the Rings.<BR><BR>Whether or not that's a good thing or not is something every reader should decide for themselves...
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Postby InnocentEvil » Wed Dec 13, 2000 8:13 am

Sam, it was in the teens.. COLD!!<BR><BR>I know a lot of people who neither like Tom Bombadil nor believe he has a place in the books. I don't know if he has a place or not; who am I to say either way, but I do really love the character. I'm glad he's there. <BR>Bilbo's rhyming couplets help those of us who can't handle deeper poetry (because we're WIMPS) get at least a taste of Tolkien's talent in a style we can handle, but yeah.. I'm sure they are annoying to some. <BR><BR>Hmmm..... sometimes I think I'm nothing but a big ol' waffler, but I just try not to make anybody feel like thier opinion isn't legitimate.<BR><BR>
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Postby Axordil » Wed Dec 13, 2000 10:51 am

Bombadil is annoying, but his wife's a babe, so he can stay. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>Celeborn is annoying, but his wife's a babe, so he can stay too. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>You can see what standard I apply...
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Postby GoodSam » Wed Dec 13, 2000 10:02 pm

Axordil's Spousal Babocity Theorem:<BR><BR>Annoying male characters will be deemed acceptable if they are married to a babe.
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Postby Iman » Thu Dec 14, 2000 7:00 am

LOL Axordil! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Son of Glóin » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:26 pm

Thorin_Oakenshield wrote:Ioreth yes!!! Same here. I like Bill and Grima as characters. Sure they're evil. My least fav overall though, is Thranduil. He really had no business in Erebor.!! Arg, taking my treasure!!


This. On a plate is what I was thinking.
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Postby Birch_Tree » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:43 pm

I dislike Éowyn, she spent most of the time in a depressed mood then she steals Théoden kill.

Would have preferred Théoden to kill the witch king, would also help to show that the elder days are ending and the days of man have begun, proving Glorfindel prophecy wrong would simply help to reinforce that.
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Postby frodolives668 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:35 pm

There's gonna be a million members on my case for this one, but here goes: I just don't like gandalf in "the hobbit". I'm sorry, but who does he think he is, barging into poor Bilbo's home like that? And every time he insulted Bilbo when he didn't understand something I clenched my fist. How was the poor guy supposed to understand all that gandalf threw at him? :angry:

If I were bilbo, I wouldn't have had patience like that! From the moment he first walked through my door with all those unknown people, I would have demanded an explination or called the police. Even if he did convice me to go(nobody 'forces' old frodolives here to do ANYTHING) i would not have been a happy camper. I could've won award for sarcasm/whining("Well excuuuuse me mr. perfect!" or "thank you Captain Obvious."s would be plentifull.) And if that Gandalf ever DARED to yell at me he'd be in for a surprise! "Exscuuuuuuse me mr. holier-than-thou! I didn't mean to accidently make a mistake in your holy prescence! But on the planet where I live, those living without omnipotence are spared the rod!"

Good thing i'm NOT bilbo or the book would've been much, much shorter. Wizard or not, nobody disrespects me. That's why I wouldn't last long in middle earth. I'd be turned into a frog by an angry wizard before i could turn around.
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Re: Who is your least favourite character?

Postby Frodome » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:07 pm

My least favorite has to be Thranduril! He's annoying. :D
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Postby Frodome » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:06 am

Eol_of_Nan_Elmoth wrote:Everyone is going to hate me for saying this, but I have always hated Sam Gamgee. Yes that's right. I hate Sam. He is just an untrustworthy little fool. Gollum would have repented if he hadn't gone ape at him when he was patting Frodo. Sam didn't trust Aragorn, or Faramir, and the way he treated Frodo was bordering on homosexuality. Sorry, I just can't stand the guy. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

I am wondering how come you liked the entire trilogy without liking Sam Gamgee. Sam's behaviour toward Gollum is completely understandable- and most importantly Forgiveable. His not trusting Aragorn or Faramir is quite simple to understand. He sees his master and himself in grave danger and wants to save them both. Sam, in my opinion, is the most lovable hero of the books. He doesn't deserve HATE. :)
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Re: Who is your least favourite character?

Postby Melwa » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:31 am

Mine would have to be Denethor, mostly because he treats all my favorite characters (Gandalf, Aragorn, Sam, Frodo, and Faramir) badly. He favors Boromir, while being mean to Faramir.. He's also an "enemy" of Gandalf, and of Aragorn, because he thinks they will take away his stewardship. Despite the fact that the whole point of being a steward is to be ready to give up the post at any time to the rightful owner. This prejudice against Gandalf and all his friends also widens the rift between Denethor and his son. He doesn't personally interact with Frodo and Sam, but he criticizes Faramir's interaction with them. Grrrrrrrr.
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Postby choubachou » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:49 am

Mithfânion wrote:I found Tom Bombadil to be totally out of place in regard to the storyline of the Lord of the Rings.<BR><BR>Whether or not that's a good thing or not is something every reader should decide for themselves...


Yup, Bombadil was completely out of place. It's like Tolkien created him back when he wanted LotR to be a joyful and happy sequel to the Hobbit, and he forgot to take him out (along with the thinking fox...) when he realized he was making a more mature story.
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