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Postby wilko185 » Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:23 pm

Re Crickhollow, in his Guide to Names ... Tolkien writes that the first element of the name Crickhollow is intended to be an obsolete element, not to be translated. Interestingly, in the early drafts (HOME 6) the neighbouring villages of Bree were named as Staddle and Crick. Old Welsh creic, "rock", seems a reasonable inspiration (c.f. "The Carrock", the rock in the Anduin near Rhosgobel). However, Celtic cruc, "barrow", may also be a possibility:
That prehistoric mounds retained a role in the community is suggested by the survival of the Celtic-derived element cruc (Welsh crug), as in Crich (Derbs), Crick (Northants), Cricklade (Wilts), Crewkerne (Somerset; interestingly, ‘cruc house’, i.e. monastery?) and the Somerset and Surrey names Creechbarrow / Crooksbury (cruc beorg).

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Postby Parmamaite » Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:17 am

In my booklet on English Placenames (by John Field) Crick in Northamptonshire is said to be derived from 'creic' :roll: - Etymology is a shady science :P
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Postby pnjman » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:32 pm

A green ride lay almost unseen through the thickets...

A ride is a path made for riding on horseback, especially through woodlands.

At the south end of the greensward there was an opening.

Greensward, ground that is green with grass or turf
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Postby Queen_Beruthiel » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:56 pm

Welcome to TORC, pnjman. :)
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Postby roaccarcsson » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:22 pm

An addition to the entry on "I name you elf-friend":

The word "elf-friend" was not invented for the writing of LotR. It is a translation of the Old English name Ælfwine; and also of Alboin, the name of a king of the Germanic people known as the Langobards or Lombards , who led them in their conquest of much of Italy in the late 6th century AD. (The name of the people survives in the North Italian region called Lombardy.) For Alboin see this site:;jse ... ext=Alboin

These names stimulated Tolkien's imagination from an early period, as a notional link between our era and the legends of the "Silmarillion." He made two attempts to write a story in which a contemporary Englishman named Elwin (the modern form of Ælfwine) travels back in time to be present at the drowning of Númenor. See Letter 257, Letters at p. 347. The link is in the name "Elendil," which is "Elf-friend" in Quenya (letter 297, Letters at p. 386 note).

The first version of this story, called "The Lost Road," is published in HoME v. V; it was written in 1935 and 1936. The second attempt, "The Notion Club Papers," written in 1945 and 1946, is in HoME v. IX.
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