Whitering wrote:Were the Ainur kind enough to allow Arwen and Aragorn to be reunited in the afterlife?
MithLuin wrote: (...) I agree that there were not thousands of Balrogs. But I have great difficulty resolving his comment that there were only 3-7 with his stories. Gothmog, lord of Balrogs, had to be slain by Ecthelion in the Fall of Gondolin. Another Balrog had to fall with Glorfindel. And then there was the one Gandalf killed. So, there's the three. Fine. But what are we to make of comments about 'most' of the balrogs being killed during the War of Wrath? The point is that some of the ideas that are recorded in essays are perfectly valid, but were not always taken up in the stories.
'Wherefore each embassy came with greater force than was agreed, but Morgoth sent the greater, and they were Balrogs. Maidros was ambushed...' Of The Siege of Angband '... but Morgoth sent the more, and there were Balrogs.' Of The Return of the Noldor
'Sauron came against Orodreth, the warden of the tower, with a host of Balrogs.' Of the Ruin of Beleriand And the Fall of Fingolfin '... named Gorthaur, came against Orodreth, the warden of the tower upon Tol Sirion.' Of The Ruin Of Beleriand
'There came wolves and serpents, and there came Balrogs one thousand,...' Of the Fourth Battle: Nírnaith Arnediad 'There came wolves and wolfriders, and there came Balrogs, and dragons...' Of The Fifth Battle
siddharth wrote:I have one question in my mind. A discussion is already on about this in one of the other threads but I think it is more appropriate to post it here.
So, why did it take Gandalf so long to understand that Bilbo had the One Ring? He knew Bilbo had a great Ring, since it conferred invisibility. From Saruman, at the White Council he had learnt that the three, the seven and the nine were studded with a gem each, but the One Ring was not. So, imo he should have suspected the Ring long before and should have started to investigate earlier.
And another thing. I agree that Gollum got the Ring by killing and Bilbo got it by mercy. But does that mean it is necessary that the Ring would have opposite effects on the two? Bilbo was unchanged and "preserved" after he got the Ring while Gollum became old, and withered.
Great Thread FT, my friend!
fattylumpkin wrote:It has always seemed strange to me that Aragorn did not know that Elrond had a daughter? Elrond just forgot to mention Arwen?, true, she had been gone awhile. I remember feeling as surprized as Aragorn when reading about their first meeting! Did Elrond have some forboding about them or what? Was the passing of time so different for elves?
Another thing that has always seemed wondrous to me was Boromirs 110 days to Rivendell, how did he find it? Happy chance? a lucky encounter with an elf? A great feat glossed over!?
Another thing that has always seemed wondrous to me was Boromirs 110 days to Rivendell... A great feat glossed over!?
solicitr wrote:Another thing that has always seemed wondrous to me was Boromirs 110 days to Rivendell... A great feat glossed over!?
Acording to Tolkien in UT (p.264), "the courage and hardihood required [by Boromir's journey] is not fully recognized in the narrative."
As to finding Rivendell, one would have to assume that Boromir eventually made contact with one of Elrond's household or someone else who was "in on the secret." This I don't think would have been one of the Dunedain, since apparently Boromir was unaware of their existence until the Council.
`And who are you, and what have you to do with Minas Tirith?' asked Boromir, looking in wonder at the lean face of the Ranger and his weather-stained cloak.
Voronwe_the_Faithful wrote:It seems rather obvious from Boromir's reaction to Aragorn, when he produces the shards of Narsil.`And who are you, and what have you to do with Minas Tirith?' asked Boromir, looking in wonder at the lean face of the Ranger and his weather-stained cloak.
Had Boromir been directed to Imladris by other Rangers, surely he would have recognized Aragorn as one of their members, if not their leader.
It does make me smile when PJ says Boromir was about to start his 5 day journey to Rivendell.
solicitr wrote:It does make me smile when PJ says Boromir was about to start his 5 day journey to Rivendell.
And it makes me groan when PJ has Denethor say "Elrond of Rivendell has called a council." One of the real weaknesses in the movies- an aspect of what Tolkien called "flattening" in his Zimmerman critique- is the fact that everybody knows way too bloody much.
If you look over the plot of the LR, especially the time-schemes, it should be clear that the story could not have unfolded the way it did but for everyone (Sauron especially) being in the dark about most of what was going on beyond their own immediate surroundings.
mrunderhill wrote: I believe that Peter Jackson may have convinced himself that New Zealand really IS what Middle Earth would be like. Of course the geography and climate of Middle Earth is closest to Europe and perhaps if it was possible to have filmed things in Europe he may have understood the scale a lot clearer. Flying from Oxford down to Florence and passing Europe by, might have given him a greater understanding of the distances involved.
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