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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:28 pm

Okey dokey--

In Appendix F, Tolkien tells us of the Elves, "They were a race high and beautiful, the elder Children of the world, and among them the Eldar were as kings, who are now gone: the People of the Great Journey, the People of the Stars. They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed, though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin ...

List three exceptions published by JRRT in his lifetime.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:52 am

I assume that you're not regarding Galadriel and Finrod>Finarfin as exceptions, since they were from the "golden house of Finrod>Finarfin".

The obvious ones are Glorfindel and Celeborn, but I can't think of a third. Other than Cirdan who was grey, not dark, but I'm guessing that doesn't count? :)
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:16 am

Think "earlier." But not by a lot.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:43 am

"Earlier" is a bit of a relative term when it comes to the Eldar...:) But "earlier in the book" is Gildor, who is "of the house of Finrod" and therefore likely to have golden hair. And with a name like Gildor it would be a shame if he did not!

Funny, I had never put two and two together before and figured that out. Live and learn, as the Gaffer almost certainly said. :D
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:17 am

The Hobbit, Ch. 8: "a woodland king [Thranduil] with a crown of leaves upon his golden hair."
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:11 pm

You're not supposed to give the answer away, ya silly ... .
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:17 pm

Okay then- identify the fourth exception.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:09 am

Was the fourth exception also within JRRT's lifetime?
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:34 am

Yep. I'll even narrow it down: it's in The Lord of the Rings.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:15 am

Well Idril Celebrindal had golden hair and thus was an "exception" to the rule as quoted by JRRT (i.e. not being of the house of Finrod), and she's mentioned in LOTR, but I don't think her hair was. Does she count as a fourth or is there someone else?
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:25 am

Somebody else, whose hair color is explicitly mentioned in the LR.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:13 pm

Legolas' song of Nimrodel suggests that she wasn't dark-haired: "A light was on her hair/As sun upon the golden boughs/In Lorien the fair".

And being unrelated to the House of Finrod she can said to be a true exception.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:03 am

Or it could be the unidentified Lorien Elf mentioned by Haldir:

‘There is one of my people yonder across the stream,’ he said ‘though you may not see him.’ He gave a call like the low whistle of a bird, and out of a thicket of young trees an Elf stepped, clad in grey, but with his hood thrown back; his hair glinted like gold in the morning sun.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:37 pm

Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a WINNAH!

Go ahead, Vor.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:09 pm

Oy, I have to think of a question for this crowd? All right, I'll be back.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:56 pm

Okay, an easy one. In what important work did Tolkien say this:

"It is plainly shown that Faery is a vast world in its own right, that does not depend for its existence upon Men, and which is not primarily nor indeed principally concerned with Men. The relationship must therefore be one of love: the Elven Folk, the chief and ruling inhabitants of Faery, have an ultimate kinship with Men and have a permanent love for them in general."
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:25 pm

Almost a gimme, since IIRC there was only one work of any magnitude at all in which T used "Faery."

On Fairy-Stories.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:01 pm

Nope.

ETA: I suppose I could add that "important" doesn't necessarily mean "well known". But I think it something that you would be familiar with, Soli.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:04 am

Smith of Wootton Major was my first thought after On Fairy Stories, but it wasn't in my tiny little 1974 GAU hardback.
Then I remembered the 2005 extended edition that Verlyn Flieger edited, and sure enough that's where it is, part of the essay that Tolkien wrote about the story. Was this essay published anywhere else before Flieger's edition?
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:05 am

That's it (of course). And no, to the best of my knowledge it was never published before Verlyn's edition was released. But I think it contains some of Tolkien's most important insights about Faerie.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:11 pm

Okay then, still on the subject of Faery and the Perilous Realm, Tolkien gave us the story of Huan, the enchanted hound who played his part in the story of Beren and Luthien.

But in which other of JRRT's works did Man's Best Friend come close to Faery itself? (and give the details for extra bonus points). :)
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:18 am

I would answer this, but then I would have to come up with another questions. ;)
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Denethor » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:55 pm

scirocco wrote:Okay then, still on the subject of Faery and the Perilous Realm, Tolkien gave us the story of Huan, the enchanted hound who played his part in the story of Beren and Luthien.

But in which other of JRRT's works did Man's Best Friend come close to Faery itself? (and give the details for extra bonus points). :)


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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:59 am

That's it. Your turn.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Denethor » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:18 pm

Tom Bombadil has blue eyes. Give an example of another character from The Lord of the Rings with blue eyes.

(I am talking explicit references here).
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby scirocco » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:06 am

Was it Elanor (or one of Sam's other kids)?
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:06 am

Sauron, except he hasn't used Visine for a few centuries. :D
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Denethor » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:23 am

No, it's not Elanor or Sauron.

Hint - it's not a hobbit.
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby solicitr » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:13 am

Man, this is tough. I've gone through pretty much every character I can think of, and for most of them when T bothers with eye color they're grey, not blue. (Save Saruman and Denethor, "dark").
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Re: M-E & Tolkien Trivia (Third Continuation Thread)

Postby Voronwe_the_Faithful » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:04 pm

Is it someone who appears in LOTR but whose eyes are described some place else?
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