How to make Umlauts and special characters ( ie: á, ë, Æ, §, Ö, é, etc)

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Postby smeagol_killed_deagol » Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:56 pm

hey, i was wondering how you can write that 'n' thingi with the little squiggle on top, and normal letters but with slashes on top of each letter?<BR>thanks<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>edit: sorry, im alright now, i just read the thread from the beginning and Berahael had the perfect answer for me. <BR>sorry for being a pest.
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Postby luthienelflover » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:18 am

It's ok, you're not being a pest <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I had just as much trouble getting it... more, actually, I had to have it explained to me <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>
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Postby luthienelflover » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:19 am

It's ok, you're not being a pest <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I had just as much trouble getting it... more, actually, I had to have it explained to me <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>
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Postby Muccamukk » Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:02 am

If you are looking for the Character Map, it is found in Programs/Accessories/System Tools on most computers.<BR><BR>Okay, these are the codes for some of the newer versions of windows. You have to hold down alt and, while still holding it, type + and the four digit code listed. So for ò you type Alt+00F2<BR><BR>¡ 00A1<BR>¢ 00A2<BR>£ 00A3<BR>¤ 00A4<BR>¥ 00A5<BR>¦ 00A6<BR>§ 00A7<BR>¨ 00A8<BR>© 00A9<BR>ª 00AA<BR>« 00AB<BR>¬ 00AC<BR>­ 00AD<BR>® 00AE<BR>¯ 00AF<BR>° 00B0<BR>± 00B1<BR>² 00B2<BR>³ 00B3<BR>´ 00B4<BR>µ 00B5<BR>¶ 00B6<BR>· 00B7<BR>¸ 00B8<BR>¹ 00B9<BR>º 00BA<BR>» 00BB<BR>¼ 00BC<BR>½ 00BD<BR>¾ 00BE<BR>¿ 00BF<BR>À 00C0<BR>Á 00C1<BR>Â 00C2<BR>Ã 00C3<BR>Ä 00C4<BR>Å 00C5<BR>Æ 00C6<BR>Ç 00C7<BR>È 00C8<BR>É 00C9<BR>Ê 00CA<BR>Ë 00CB<BR>Ì 00CC<BR>Í 00CD<BR>Î 00CE<BR>Ï 00CF<BR>Ð 00D0<BR>Ñ 00D1<BR>Ò 00D2<BR>Ó 00D3<BR>Ô 00D4<BR>Õ 00D5<BR>Ö 00D6<BR>× 00D7<BR>Ø 00D8<BR>Ù 00D9<BR>Ú 00DA<BR>Û 00DB<BR>Ü 00DC<BR>Ý 00DD<BR>Þ 00DE<BR>ß 00DF<BR>à 00E0<BR>á 00E1<BR>â 00E2<BR>ã 00E3<BR>ä O0E4<BR>å O0E5<BR>æ O0E6<BR>ç O0E7<BR>è O0E8<BR>é O0E9<BR>ê 00EA<BR>ë 00EB<BR>ì 00EC<BR>í 00ED<BR>î 00EE<BR>ï 00EF<BR>ð 00F0<BR>ñ 00F1<BR>ò 00F2<BR>ó 00F3<BR>ô 00F4<BR>õ 00F5<BR>ö 00F6<BR>÷ 00F7<BR>ø 00F8<BR>ù 00F9<BR>ú 00FA<BR>û 00FB<BR>ü 00FC<BR>ý 00FD<BR>þ 00FE<BR>ÿ 00FF<BR>† 2020<BR>‡ 2021<BR>• 2022<BR>… 2026<BR>‰ 2030<BR>™ 2122
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Postby Armenelos » Sat Oct 04, 2003 7:02 am

bumped for a couple different people who have asked about this
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Postby niphredilmaiden » Sat Oct 04, 2003 9:34 pm

Hey I know how to do it now - Thank you!!<BR>
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Postby annaerual » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:06 pm

For a Mac: <BR>1. Click on desktop to get back into Finder. <BR>2. Pull down Edit> Special Characters. <BR>3. Click on character, then click Insert. <BR>4. Then check, because they don't always come out the same on line. The Accented Latin set seems to work pretty well.<BR><BR>Quick and Dirty:<BR>1. Scroll down to Muccamukk's list, and just cut and paste.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Andro » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:09 pm

Hehe... I tried to use the Character Map to put the û in my computer-model of <a href='http://www.simglobal.net/simcity/lotr/go.shtml' target=_blank>The Barad-dûr</a> (it's a terrain mesh covered in black-textured tiles [lots], each with a name), but I discovered that special characters cause lots to completely freeze the computer when I highlight them in the Build Park menu. That was annoying. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby truehobbit » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:56 pm

Just saying thanks for all the info in this thread. I don't know why I never read it carefully before.<BR>All the stuff about the character map I knew, but it's such a bother, I wanted a nice and easy Alt+ code!<BR><BR>Thanks for providing them, Muccamukk! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>(Though I must say I'm glad I've got an old PC that can use the number-codes. The new letter codes seem impossible to type.)<BR><BR>So, for use on a newer PC the Allchars-software might be more useful - thanks to wilko for the link to that one, I'll go and try it as well. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>(Although I have all the accents on my keyboard, way too many posters here have usernames with an ë in them <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> - <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> yay, the code is working! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> )
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Postby Muccamukk » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:58 pm

You're welcome, though the sodes are actually just pulled off the character map, where they are listed for all to see.<BR><BR>The trick with the new letter codes is that you don't have to hold down plus, just hit it once.
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Postby Rodia » Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:26 am

Once again, my language is discriminated.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alandriel » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:31 am

right... so I've been messing around with the char map. But WYSWYG apparently does not seem to apply. Some characters I choose from the 'arial' font menu and copy/paste into the reply window work ... some don't - and weirdest of all, 'things' just insert themselves into my post in between normal words <BR><BR>like this: I's a strange, strange phenomena... (<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> yeah.. of course, now it did not do it) but sometimes there are symbols that insert themselves without me typing them (and I've turned smart tags off in word where I type my posts before posting)<BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0><BR>What's going on?? But more importantly - is there any way to display runic-type characters?
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Postby SilverScribe » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:35 am

<BR>Maybe I can help, maybe not. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I never use Word. Period. Or any other real fancy Word Processor. About as fancy as I get is WordPad, which does allow special characters but doesn't have all that other formatting garbage hidden in the background. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Whenever I need a special character or one with an umlaut, accent, etc., I open a blank Word Document, select Insert/Symbol, find the one I want and insert it into the blank document. Then I just copy/paste it from the Word document into the Wordpad one, and when I put the entire post into TORC, it seems just fine.<BR><BR>I know that seems awfully round-about, but at home I actually have a saved Word Document that has all the characters I normally use, so I just pop it open and copy and voila!<BR><BR>Of course, I haven't tried all those pseudo-celtic or greek-looking thingies . . . hmmmmmm . . .<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>
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Postby Rodia » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:02 am

You still can't do Polish fonts here.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby crispycreme » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:46 pm

<em>But more importantly - is there any way to display runic-type characters? </em><BR><BR>Theoretically yes. The messageboard can use whatever typeface(s) the designer wants. Usually though, the designer will wish to keep the typeface as generic and universal as possible, since the interpretation of that typeface is determined by the typefaces you have installed on your computer. <BR><BR>For example - this text you see here is a sans serif typeface, probably either Arial or Helvetica. It's a typeface that can be translated on virtually every computer in the world, so everyone will see it the same way. Typefaces like Arial, Times Roman, and Courier are considered "safe", and are what you normally see on web pages. However, if Jon were to install a Cirth or other runic typeface, the majority of our users would see garbage, unless they had those particular typefaces correspondingly installed in their machines as well (although I admit that the percentage of TORCers with Cirth typefaces on their computers is likely pretty high <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> ). <BR><BR>Additionally, the UBB code (the bracketed codes that make <a href='http://www.tolkienonline.com' target=_blank>links</a>, <strong>boldface</strong>, <em>italics</em>, etc.) would have to be modified to allow the selection of typefaces, something that's currently disabled (because by allowing it, it opens up a whole can of worms with regards to obnoxious spam and trollish types of posts).
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Postby Ted » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:18 pm

There is a proposal to make the cirith a part of unicode, but as it stands right now, it is just a purposal.<BR><BR>If it became a reality, and people had the font installed, I think it would be cool to support it, but until it becomes a unicode standard, I am loath to support it.<BR><BR>The other cool thing about it being in the unicode would be that parts of it might be able to be used in the URL. Just think of having a unicode url with actual tolkien lettering in it. Time to start bookmarking!!!<BR><BR>Ted
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Postby Alandriel » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:09 am

Thanks! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> You people are great! Every day one learns something new. All this even had me looking up the <a href='http://www.unicode.org/' target=_blank>Unicode home page </a> – not that I think I really understand all of this <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Scribbles: sadly, wordpad does not have a spellchecker – and I would not survive without one <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> That idea of yours of having a saved doc with all the chars on it – very very useful <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> (only now I shall have to figure out which ones actually will insert themselves properly)<BR><BR>Crispy: <em> because by allowing it, it opens up a whole can of worms with regards to obnoxious spam and trollish types of posts..</em> <BR>Yep! I can see the problem there – but it still would be nice to be able to display a font like Cirith (or Tengwar Quenya/Sindarin). Perhaps if such a use could be limited to certain forums only, e.g. The Pony/Green Dragon and Languages…. Just an idea <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>What about allowing the use of an easily readable yet 'oldish' type font e.g. Old English Text? Not as nice as Cirith by any means but better than nothing <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> – short of making an external link<BR><BR>And the day I will see Tolkienonline displayed in Cirith… <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby Blackwood » Wed May 12, 2004 4:11 am

New fonts now available. Type in Greek!

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Postby Soronume » Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:01 pm

awwww only if i knew this before registration I could have gotten my name right :(

like this

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hhehehe B^
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Postby Fair-folk » Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:18 pm

This is a great thread with lots of good information, but I have one more question.

A poster in the movies forum put musical notes and the "heart" symbol (the kind you use on bumper stickers, like "I (Luv) ____ " in some of her posts. I was wondering how to put those types of symbols in a post especially the music. I would ask her, but she has not come back to that thread in a long time (it's the August theme month thread, beach theme).

Does anyone know how to do that?

Also, do I have to use Ariel font to make the characer map symbols work on this messageboard? I'm not very knowledgable about the technical stuff.

Thanks very much!
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Postby truehobbit » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:00 pm

In Tips for using this messageboard, Blackwood wrote:The symbols such as ♪, ♂, ♠ etc, or the Greek alphabet, can be input by typing in the unicode number, or more conveniently by selecting them from the character map.
Start charmap.exe, which should be in the Start Menu under Program Files > Accessories > System Tools. Select a font which has the symbols, such as Lucida Console, and copy/paste them.
I'm not sure why some work and others don't.


Hope that helps! :)
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Postby Wilma » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:23 pm

A bump and Thank you!!!!!
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Postby holbytla » Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:14 pm

For example - this text you see here is a sans serif typeface, probably either Arial or Helvetica. It's a typeface that can be translated on virtually every computer in the world, so everyone will see it the same way. Typefaces like Arial, Times Roman, and Courier are considered "safe", and are what you normally see on web pages. However, if Jon were to install a Cirth or other runic typeface, the majority of our users would see garbage, unless they had those particular typefaces correspondingly installed in their machines as well


Is it not possible to "force" fonts?

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And Blackwood, I can't understand the character map.
When I select the 8th note musical symbol, I am given U+266A, which gives me nothing when I type that while holding down the alt key.
However if I type 269 while holding down the alt key I get.
Why????
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Postby Blackwood » Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:59 pm

holbytla, U+266A is not an alt-key code, it is a Unicode value, which is different - the latter are in hexadecimal, the former are decimals. Only certain characters have working Windows alt-key codes, but they all have unicode values. For example, the unicode value for é is U+00E9 (it appears at the bottom left when the character is selected in character-map), but the character-map also tells us (at the bottom right) that the alt-key code for é is Alt+0233 [233 being E9 as a decimal]. I don't quite understand why character-map doesn't tell us the Windows alt-key code for ♪, since it apparently has one. Possibly it's because the code Alt+269 does not universally give ♪ in every Windows application. It does in Notepad and Word, but not in Wordpad or in the TORC reply-window in Internet Explorer. However Alt+0233 DOES seem to produce an é in every application. The unicode value for ♪, U+266A, should translate into an alt-key code of Alt+9834, and that does indeed give a ♪ in Wordpad, but not in much else :roll:

I'm not too sure about this stuff, I think the confusion arises from Windows not uniformly implementing the unicode standard. In other words, blame Bill Gates...
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Postby holbytla » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:31 am

Thanks for the response Blackwood. Bill Gates and the neverending quest for uniformity. :roll:
So my guess then is that there are no true standard fonts. What I mean is that, yes there are the basic keystrokes, 0, 1, 2, a, b, c, ...but not every "symbol" is universally accepted, i.e. ♪ ↑ ∟ etc.
Strange though. Don't all keystrokes and combinations have ASCII values?
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Postby Blackwood » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:12 am

Upon doing a bit of googling, it seems that:

Every character should have a unicode value - there are potentially 32,768 of them, mostly assigned to Chinese characters so far. They will eventually get around to assigning unicode values to Tolkien's tengwar, we hope.

Only the commonest 128 characters have ASCII codes, which correspond to the first 128 unicode values (except that Unicode values are generally given in hexadecimal form).

Windows (or IBM?), use the 128 ASCII codes for the alt-key codes, BUT there is also an "extended character set" of a further 128 characters which have different values to their unicode values for some reason. These further characters presumably include things like ♪.

Holding down Alt and typing a number gives me either the corresponding unicode character, or the Extended character set one, depending on which sort of Windows application I'm using.

All in all, it's maybe easier to just copy and paste these symbols ;)
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Postby Primula_Baggins » Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:39 pm

I use a Mac, and I can get at least some of the diacriticals straight from my (American) keyboard, right here in the reply box (not using Word), with just a couple of keystrokes.

For an acute accent, I type Option+e, then the character I want marked that way: é, Ó, ú. It seems to be allowed only for vowels.

For a diaeresis or umlaut, it's Option+u, then the character: Ë, ö, ï, etc.

For a circumflex, it's Option+i, then the character: Udûn.

For a tilde, it's Option+n, then the character: ñ.

Option+a gives å, and Option+o gives ø. Option+s gives ess-tsett, ß.

The Mac keyboard has a ` character, and if I type Option+`, then the character, I get a grave accent: à, È, etc.

Option+c gives a cedilla, ç.

It's nice not to have to type numerical codes or paste from anywhere. If you have a Mac and haven't tried this, do.

(I haven't figured out how to get ligatures yet.)
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Postby Wilma » Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:54 am

holbytla wrote:, i.e. ♪ ↑ ∟ etc.

Holby could you give the Alt keycodes for those symbols? Muccamukks system works for my computer. Does anyone knoe the alt code for the TM symbol?
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Dear Nilson, I cannot click on your hyperlinks they just come up as white boxes with a red "x" in the middle. Please advise.
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