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Postby Bardhwyn » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:26 pm

Gentle Readers, Welcome!

Rodia, Frelga and I welcome your comments here in this thread, created with the blessings of the Moderators, so to both facilitate the uninterrupted flow of our story 'Among Thieves', and give you the opportunity to share your insights and comments.

Please, post your comments HERE, not in the body of the story thread. Thanks!


So, again - Welcome, friends. :)


Character List and respective Authors

Raisha and his band of Highwaymen - authored by Rodia

Sarina and perhaps other characters yet to be unveiled - Frelga

Bardhwyn, Thar and the Clan Harlond - Bardhwyn
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Postby Rodia » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:16 pm

Coming Soon to a Forum Near YOU...

:shock:

Well, you did make it sound very dramatic!

*worryworryworry*
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Postby Bardhwyn » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:14 am

"....on with the show, this is it...."

:D

In case anyone is curious - this is a collaboratively written story, meaning, all three of us are piling into a Google doc and writing different bits; a description here, a line of dialog in response to another character there. So, yeah, any one post could have all three of us (Rodia, Frelga and myself) 'in it', as it were.

In other contexts we have credited each other at the end of each collaborative post but here, in this thread, we'll just take it as rote:

We are each incredibly grateful for the contribution and creative inspiration the others provide - :)
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Postby Rodia » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:19 am

The great minds, they think alike. I was going to mention that. I obviously didn't write all of that dialogue on my own! But the first post and the concept are all Bardy's doing. :D
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Postby Bardhwyn » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:20 am

:oops: :)
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Postby Spirit_of_the_Willow » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:03 pm

Wonderful beginning ladies. :D I will definitely be following this with great interest. :D
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Postby Rodia » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:34 am

Readers?

Excellent.
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Postby SmaugsBane » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:50 pm

No offense meant here, ladies, so please don't take this as such.

I am trying to figure out if something I want to write belongs here or in the Pony, and I was having a hard time distinguishing what is "RP" and therefore should be over there, and what is "writing" and belongs here.

Now I see this (very nice) work that you three are creating by essentially the same process as Redemption is written.

An honest question, and again not putting anyone down in any way:

Why did you guys decide to put this up here, and not in the Pony? What is the difference?
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Postby Bardhwyn » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:38 am

Hi SB -

There is a very good explanation. :)

This story is here, and not the Pony because we are not opening the story to other writers, new writers. We do not want to introduce new elements into the story at any time in that way.

About a year ago, Rholoarwyn and I had in mind to write a story but we didn't want to open it to other writers. We wanted to write it in the Pony so, we consulted with the Moderators and made our proposal asking if we could do this; write a story, just the two of us (and clearly state it as such), in the Pony.

We were advised not to put up the story in the Pony because there are implied mores in that forum that anyone can ask to join a story at any time and more than likely will be accepted if the character fits, etc.

Yes, stories with enough writers can post a message: 'this story is now closed' but that usually happens after a considerable while when the story is clearly established and, as we know, that can change if a writer and character comes along that is too good to pass up.

So, to state a new story closed from the onset just didn't fit the with the spirit of the Pony forum. And fair enough, I actually agree with that.

Seeing as, in the case of the story Rho and I wanted to write - which in the end we couldn't pursue for RL reasons - and here with Among Thieves, with Ro, Frelga and I, and with Yesterday's Arrows: Regeneration with Willow and I - the concept was very clear from the onset - the cast was closed and no new talent would be entertained. We had a definite story to tell with a definite cast of characters and we just so happened to be writing collaboratively. So, to the Scriptorium we went.

Because we wanted to create the same single stream of narrative, like in the Pony, Rho and I did ask for permission to create a 'Comment Thread' along with the story in Scripts, and Jonathan agreed so we know see additional threads in Scripts so to help create a narrative flow. And I think that works well.

So, that's the story. :)

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Postby SmaugsBane » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:41 am

So even though your sigs have credits for specific characters, this is really like coauthoring a single story that already has a plot laid out between you. Instead of taking on characters' roles and making decisions ad hoc for your character based on their particular personalties, you have decided upon the storyline already, it just needs to be fleshed-out. Would it be fair to say then, that you all decided to break up the authoring duties by these characters' POVs rather than "playing" the characters?

BTW, the three of you are among the folks I respect the most on TORC and I'd really be very grateful to get your opinions when I begin my little serial drama here. I'll do the same in exchange, if you don't mind reading my long-winded opinions.
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Postby Rodia » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:16 am

Respect by association! :lmbo: I like that, sir!

Actually, for me this is almost like an RP, except that I am trying to polish it a little more. There is less pressure for posting to move the action along as all of us are usually involved in the writing together. There is more composing than playing, if you know what I mean.

The story hasn't been laid out in every detail, but we do know where it is supposed to lead, as that bit is part of another story already. So half the fun is figuring out how to end up at that point. I feel the reason we're not looking for outside players is that we'd have to impose huge restrictions on them to make them fit into our plan- this story has its main characters, and if we're going to keep it together, there's just no room for more. Bardy, Frelga and I have managed to form a very close team for writing, and there is no guarantee a new arrival would fit into it well enough for this story to be what we want it to be.

As to writing the characters, we still do them individually like in an RP. It's more the form of the story that's collective. Where I might focus on explaining my own character before, in a solo post, here I work with the other authors to convey ideas about their characters and the plot as well. It's still not much like a 'real' book, because of the format, but it's closer than a regular RP game. Less crack, more editing. :P
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Postby SmaugsBane » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:02 pm

Rodia wrote: Respect by association! :lmbo: I like that, sir!


I'm glad you approve! :wink:

Rodia wrote: Actually, for me this is almost like an RP, except that I am trying to polish it a little more. There is less pressure for posting to move the action along as all of us are usually involved in the writing together. There is more composing than playing, if you know what I mean.

The story hasn't been laid out in every detail, but we do know where it is supposed to lead, as that bit is part of another story already. So half the fun is figuring out how to end up at that point. I feel the reason we're not looking for outside players is that we'd have to impose huge restrictions on them to make them fit into our plan- this story has its main characters, and if we're going to keep it together, there's just no room for more. Bardy, Frelga and I have managed to form a very close team for writing, and there is no guarantee a new arrival would fit into it well enough for this story to be what we want it to be.

As to writing the characters, we still do them individually like in an RP. It's more the form of the story that's collective. Where I might focus on explaining my own character before, in a solo post, here I work with the other authors to convey ideas about their characters and the plot as well. It's still not much like a 'real' book, because of the format, but it's closer than a regular RP game.


I pretty sure I understand. It probably could have gone either way, but put it here bacause you didn't want folks jumping in with, "A fair elf with flowing blonde locks and piercing blues eyes walks up to Bardhwyn and says, 'How you doin'?'"

Rodia wrote: Less crack, more editing. :P
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Postby Rodia » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:47 am

Well...yes. Although I think that blonde Firstborn wouldn't have made it in any Pony game if he or she just walked in without an introduction. :P

I didn't really consider the differences between the Pony and the Scripts so seriously until your question. It just seemed to make sense, and Bardy said she had had a similar situation before, as she describes above.

As I remember we weren't even sure if we wanted to make this public at first. I know I'm scared out of my wits.
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Postby Spirit_of_the_Willow » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:15 am

Rodia wrote:As I remember we weren't even sure if we wanted to make this public at first. I know I'm scared out of my wits.


No reason to be, I know I'm enjoying it thoroughly. :D
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Postby Rodia » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:17 am

You can keep telling me that until Kingdom Come, I'll still be scared. I'm a wuss, sad to say.
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Postby Frelga » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:25 pm

But a brilliant wuss. :love:

SB, from my perspective, this story is driven by plot much more than is common in the Pony.

To illustrate: I consider RtR to be just about perfect setup for an RP thread. The main Scribe's quest provides the overarching plot (getting the big bad Elf Mage) and while it has to hit some plot points along the way, what happens there is largely open. What's more, the type of characters who can join is defined pretty well - she hires men to fight for her - but within that definition, you can have all kinds of relationships and motivations. The_Fool's character had to be written out, Ro and Bardy joined, but the story keeps moving with barely a hitch. Just in the last post, Bardy's character blurted out a secret that Ro's and mine characters wanted to keep, and while there will be repercussions IC (oh yes, precious, there will be :twisted:) it doesn't derail the grand design.

Or, much shorter, IMO a good Pony RP defines the start and the end of the story, but leaves the events and relationships in the middle wide open to accommodate a variety of players and characters.

This story is scripted much tighter. Forget the fair elf! I was a late comer here, and even though I am very comfortable (and thrilled, and deeply thankful) writing with Bardy and Ro, and my character has an established connection to Raisha, it took quite a bit of mental wriggling to fit her in.

Also, there is more purpose in writing the scenes. In RtR it can be, "Let's give these two a chance to talk and see what happens" and what happens could be a fight, or a profound exchange of thoughts and memories, or just joking around. Here it's more like "In this scene, we need to establish that Raisha is X and Y and his relationship with Sarina is Z and here's a bit of foreshadowing for later and a bit of background the reader needs to know.

Willow, :hihi:
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Postby SmaugsBane » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:55 pm

Thanks, ladies. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my query.

FWIW, Frelga, that's actually the way I kinda figured it, but I just didn't articulate it the same way.

Okay, even if I don't comment much (yeah, right, like I EVER shut up) know that I am lurking a reading your story now.

Now you should be scared. Mwahahahah :lightening:
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Postby Rodia » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:55 am

How does Frelga always say it better than I do? :P Damned Cossack.


SB, I said I'm a wuss but a wuss that's mostly scared of not knowing when people think she's being stupid. So comment all you want. >:)
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Postby SmaugsBane » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:49 pm

You know I was joking, right? No need to be scared. If I feel the need to comment, I will be fair, tactful, and truthful. I promise. :angel:
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Postby Rodia » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:42 am

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Postby Bardhwyn » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:19 am

SmaugsBane wrote:I pretty sure I understand. It probably could have gone either way, but put it here bacause you didn't want folks jumping in with, "A fair elf with flowing blonde locks and piercing blues eyes walks up to Bardhwyn and says, 'How you doin'?'"

:rofl:

Though were that to happen, I think it would do her self-esteem the world of good right about now. :D

Ro mentioned something about that blond firstborn not getting far doing such a thing without an introduction - WELL - let me just say that that is exactly what I did in the MBOD Guild thread 6 years ago. I just posted my character in, out of the Dale Blue as it were, (hehehe) and bless them all, they didn't bounce me out. :) I was a n00b, what can I say?? Looking back, I am so grateful for their welcome. :D

Sorry people, I haven't peeked in here for a while.

Hmm...yeah, in short this story and the methods were exploring and experimenting with is yet another variation on a theme of the style of role play writing that has emerged here on Torc. All in all, I can say personally, I am finding it an excellent way to come to grips with how a piece of narrative prose can develop with the added bonus of having friends to muck around with in the process. :D

And it is great to know you're out there reading SB. And if I may say so, your WCA siggie picture - HAWT.
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Thar -

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Postby Rodia » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:47 am

Bardhwyn wrote:


Edit to add:

Thar -

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There are precious few moments when I regret not writing any female characters.

This is one of them. :shock:
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Postby Bardhwyn » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:55 am

Hey, Ro - don't forget Lilly. We could develop her part. ;)
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Postby Rodia » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:00 am

She's more yours than mine. :p Besides, there's a very good reason why I don't write female characters: don't know how, don't want to.

Not to say I know how to write the male ones either :lmbo: but at least I enjoy it!
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Postby Frelga » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:12 am

Rodia wrote:Not to say I know how to write the male ones either :lmbo: but at least I enjoy it!


You do know how, though. :P You just don't want to. Ah well, we'll work on purple first. :twisted:
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Postby SmaugsBane » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:07 pm

Bardhwyn wrote:
SmaugsBane wrote:I pretty sure I understand. It probably could have gone either way, but put it here bacause you didn't want folks jumping in with, "A fair elf with flowing blonde locks and piercing blues eyes walks up to Bardhwyn and says, 'How you doin'?'"

:rofl:

Though were that to happen, I think it would do her self-esteem the world of good right about now. :D

And if I may say so, your WCA siggie picture - HAWT.
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Bardy surveyed the crowd on the red carpet for the WCA awards. Turning in a slow pirouette, she espied many friends who hadn't seen her in long years. This will be an interesting night indeed, she thought.

When she was again facing the entrance to the amphitheater, the scarred Barding found herself face-to-face with a tall Numenorean with piercing Grey eyes, resplendent in a black-on-black collar-less tuxedo.

Of course she recognized Dirk, her long-time brother in arms. But she had never seen him like this before.

"How you doin'?" asked Dirk, trying to maintain a sexy stoic facade, but failing miserably as his grin cracked wide into a smile.

"You clean up pretty good," Bardhwyn replied.

"So do you," said Dirk, stepping back and eyeing Bardy from head to toe.

When Dirk stepped closer and offered his fellow Bowman an arm to escort her up the stairs, he felt the slightest pinprick of a dagger at his ribs.

"Eyes up, pretty boy. I may be in a dress, but that doesn't mean I take kindly to impertinent Knights oogling me."

She, too tried to keep a serious look in her eyes, but to no avail. Soon the two of them were laughing teary-eyed up the stairs arm-in-arm.

At the top of the stairs, Dirk hugged Bardy and gave her a kiss on the cheek, "it's good to see you again, sister."

"And you too, brother."

"See you inside," said Dirk.

Bardy continued inside to find her seat.

Dirk stood at the top of the stairs craning his neck to search the mob below, waiting for his beloved to arrive.


How's that? :wink:



Bardhwyn wrote:Ro mentioned something about that blond firstborn not getting far doing such a thing without an introduction - WELL - let me just say that that is exactly what I did in the MBOD Guild thread 6 years ago. I just posted my character in, out of the Dale Blue as it were, (hehehe) and bless them all, they didn't bounce me out. :) I was a n00b, what can I say?? Looking back, I am so grateful for their welcome. :D


Funny, that was the same for me, except that Dirk swung down from a tree, as he was wont to do in those times. :rofl:

Bardhwyn wrote:And it is great to know you're out there reading SB.




Thanks. It's nice to have good stuff to read. Just make sure you return the favor when (if!) I get started on my little Scripts project.
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Postby Frelga » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:49 am

Hm, yes, SB, your sig pic deserves appreciation. ;)

Bardy, forgot to ask, where's Thar's picture from?

Oh, and here's another Sarina I found (video)
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Postby Bardhwyn » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:51 am

That is Christian Bale portraying the down and out Bruce Wayne lost in Nepal in Batman Begins. :D

But really it is Thar, surveying the landscape on the edges of the Ettenmoors. Don't let anyone kid you. ;)
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