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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:52 am

Memo warned of "limitless" security risks for HealthCare.gov
Sharyl Attkisson
(CBS News) WASHINGTON -- CBS News has learned that the project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark about serious failures in the website's security. Those failures could lead to identity theft among buying insurance. The project manager testified to congressional investigators behind closed doors, but CBS News has obtained the first look at a partial transcript of his testimony.

Henry Chao, HealthCare.gov's chief project manager at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), gave nine hours of closed-door testimony to the House Oversight Committee in advance of this week's hearing. In excerpts CBS News has obtained, Chao was asked about a memo that outlined important security risks discovered in the insurance system.

Chao said he was unaware of a Sept. 3 government memo written by another senior official at CMS. It found two high-risk issues, which are redacted for security reasons. The memo said "the threat and risk potential (to the system) is limitless." The memo shows CMS gave deadlines of mid-2014 and early 2015 to address them.

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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:57 am

Actually, there are "limitless security risks" with almost everything we can do, financially or otherwise. There are precautions we can take, but whatever humans can invent, they can also invent ways around them.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby ILvEowyn » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:38 am

I feel like, at this point, there should be a separate thread about the ACA, since that's all this thread is apparently discussing now.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:37 am

Well, I will bite. See other thread for ACA issues.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:46 pm

ILvEowyn wrote:
portia wrote:Not from a candidate, about what his/her administration will do. They do not have control enough to make such promises. After the election is a different story.


I would go so far as to say it's not a problem for me that he said everyone would be able to keep their plans in 2009, when the law was being debated, because at that point he could have honestly thought/hoped it would be so.
He was told otherwise, and agreed when told so. But continued to spin out his lie.
Even after the law passed though, i'd say it was a minor sin, one that will be rectified.


He was told otherwise, and agreed when told so. But continued to spin out his lie. Obama's policy advisors knew his statements would be lies, and were overruled by his political operatives. Minor sin? Previously was it not just a little exaggeration.



And he has apologized for it:

Obama apology

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," he told NBC News in an exclusive interview.

"We've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we are going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this," he added.

Even Obama shill Ezra Klein referred to Obamas 'apology' as a "dodge':

"The answer is a bit of a dodge. People aren't finding themselves in this situation based on the president's promises. They're finding themselves in this situation based on his policy. And Obama isn't apologizing for the policy."
And again, it is not clear how many of the people losing their plans are actually losing them because of Obamacare, as opposed to losing them for some other reason.

Insurance companies appear to be doing this for a variety of reasons; some are pulling all their plans from certain states where they have fewer subscribers in order to save money.

The WaPo Fact Check has some idea, as posted above:
"The administration’s effort to pin the blame on insurance companies is a classic case of misdirection. Between 75 and 95 percent of the problem stems from the effective date, but the White House chooses to keep the focus elsewhere."

But break some eggs.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:14 pm

I agree that he should not have kept saying it after he realized that not everyone would be able to keep the same policies. Early warning would, possibly, have been helpful and something might have been worked out earlier if it had been acknowledged earlier.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby ILvEowyn » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:55 am

So the Democrats in the Senate have invoked the so-called 'nuclear option' to change filibuster rules for nominees to Executive and lower level Judicial posts, although not for Supreme Court nominees.

CNN Article

The Democratic-controlled Senate on Thursday voted to invoke the so-called nuclear option out of frustration over Republicans who have been blocking President Barack Obama's nominees.

The controversial move is a rules change that could make a partisan environment even more divisive because it takes away a sacrosanct right for any party in the Senate minority–the right to filibuster.


CNN really irritates me anymore. I would expect this kind of hyperbolic tone from a FOX News article, and indeed FOX does have a similar article up now, but I mean really, 'sacrosanct right'? And of course there's the headline that links to the article "SENATE DEMS DROP THE BOMB". Oi, stay classy CNN...

That said, I think both parties are being hypocritical here. They both argued for the exact opposite positions when roles were reversed under President Bush.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby solicitr » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:13 pm

portia wrote:I agree that he should not have kept saying it after he realized that not everyone would be able to keep the same policies. Early warning would, possibly, have been helpful and something might have been worked out earlier if it had been acknowledged earlier.



If he had told the truth, it never would have passed. If he had subsequently told the truth, the GOP effort to delay it for a year would have prevailed. Don't try to call it an innocent mistake or a tactical error; it was deliberate, conscious fraud. Nor does "after he realized" work; mass cancellations were predicted by CBO in its first analysis of the bill.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:08 am

More effects of Obamacare are scheduled to take place before the 2014 elections. Will Obama start pushing those off until after the 2014 elections?
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby solicitr » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:22 pm

The Heretic wrote:More effects of Obamacare are scheduled to take place before the 2014 elections. Will Obama start pushing those off until after the 2014 elections?


Is a bear Catholic? Does the Pope....
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby solicitr » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:25 pm

With the filibuster vote the Democrats may have shot themselves in a more vital area than the foot (face it- it does them little good, given a GOP House, except in the are of extremist judicial nominees). But the price? They may have just torn the breastplate from the heretofore impregnable welfare state's armor:

The seemingly inexorable march towards economic socialism and political statism has been accomplished through legislative and judicial ratchets which, once established, were all but impossible to reverse in part because the filibuster helped lock in the agenda and those supporting the agenda.

Because of the ratchet, the nation moved only in one direction: Towards redistribution of wealth, and bigger government.

Because of the ratchet, there was little or no hope of fundamental reversals.

Not anymore.

When Democrats — the embodiment of redistribution and statism — exercised the Nuclear Option yesterday, they blew up the ratchet. The filibuster is dead for all purposes, even if superficially only as to non-Supreme Court nominees.


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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby GlassHouse » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:20 am

What Will It Mean?

It will mean change.



The elimination of the filibuster for administrative and judicial nominees (not including those to the Supreme Court) will have short and long-term consequences. One of the easier things to predict is that the filibuster will be eliminated entirely in fairly short order. John Dickerson had a good insight on that likelihood:

    As Majority Leader Harry Reid orchestrated the change in the rules governing executive nominations and lower-court appointments, his opponents cried tyranny, though they also promised that when they took power they would go further, applying the new standard to Supreme Court nominations. In other words, tyranny—but we promise we’ll give you more of it.

The filibuster on non-budgetary legislative items may live on a bit longer, but it won’t survive it’s first contact with anything that the majority’s political base is adamant about passing. So, despite the Democrats’ desire to limit the damage to the filibuster to those areas where the abuse was most egregious and inexcusable, the line they drew will not hold.

The next question to ask is how this change in procedure will affect the culture of the Senate. This one requires careful thought. For Dickerson and Jonathan Weisman, it will empower the moderates or centrists. Here’s Dickerson’s take:

    If Harry Reid or future majority leadersextend the new rules to curb filibusters on legislation, a core group of moderates could emerge with new muscle. The Senate is usually narrowly divided, and it would not take a large coalition in the center to hold partisan legislation hostage.

    Already, a group of former governors, led by Senator Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia, Senator Alexander and Senator Tom Carper, Democrat of Delaware, have begun banding together.

....he also goes on to illustrate how it will no longer be possible for senators to vote for bills they know have no chance of passing, just to please the base but change their vote when similar bills come up that would pass.

This is the kind of dynamic that is altered by eliminating the filibuster. Hiding behind cloture votes enables you to support things your base wants but that you think are too politically perilous to support if they might actually become law. Blanche Lincoln (D-Walmart) was pro-union when it didn’t count, and the Waltons were okay with that…wink, wink, nod, nod.

In the new Senate, particularly if the legislative filibuster soon succumbs, there will many fewer of these free votes, and imperiled senators in the middle will need to break with their party more often and more openly, which should provide more opportunities for bipartisan coalitions in the middle to form to cover each other’s asses. Rather than joining together to block legislation, which wasn’t even necessary so long as the Republicans remained united in their opposition, these senators will have to join together to mitigate the damage that could be done to their political careers if legislation actually passed. If sufficient mitigation cannot be achieved, they will have to join together to vote the legislation down.

This, then, will cause party unity to fray near the center. If an Arkansan Democrat can no longer make a pretense of being pro-labor, they must pick up some support elsewhere to make up for what they’ve lost. Or, if a Pennsylvania Republican cannot win without union support, they will have to buck the Chamber of Commerce. You can interpret this as either expanding or restricting centrists’ freedom of action, but they should behave differently.

There will still be free votes, for example, when a presidential veto is anticipated or when the House of Representatives has no intention of passing a version of the bill. But, overall, this change in the rules should encourage a different kind of self-protective behavior that will reinvigorate crossover voting.

Does this mean that centrists will have more influence? Once the culture changes enough that bipartisan coalitions form again in the middle, it will give those coalitions significant positive power. However, as long as the Republicans refuse to work on any legislation, the centrist Democrats will be on their own, able to block things by joining the Republicans and to coerce changes in exchange for their support. The main difference will be that they cannot hide behind Republican opposition to disguise their own. They will still see it as highly desirable to avoid purely partisan votes on contentious issues, and will want to find moderate Republicans to give them some cover, but lacking that they will turn against their own party and serve as the blocking agent.

I don’t see this as necessarily meaning that they will have more power under the new rules. I think they will have to exercise their power in new ways. And there will be more perilous votes and fewer ways to avoid accountability.

These are just some initial thoughts. I’ll have more.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby solicitr » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:57 am

The Heretic wrote:More effects of Obamacare are scheduled to take place before the 2014 elections. Will Obama start pushing those off until after the 2014 elections?


You're psychic: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ntil-2015/

Or, rather, you just know how he operates.

Incidentally, where are all the folks who were solemnly intoning "The Law of the Land" a month ago? Last I looked, the Oath of Office doesn't read "faithfully to execute those laws of the United States I feel like, when it's expedient."
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:48 am

The Senate voted for majority Rule (for some appointments). My goodness, the sky has decided to fall. How can we tolerate this horrible event? Majority rule, what has become of us? :woah: :lightening: :hair:

Of course, if the Rule remains in effect, any Republican Senate will be criticized. But majority rule can be a good thing, and I rather hope that the Democrats recall what they did--if it survives-- and decide to give it a try.

We really need a sarcasm smilie, around here.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:38 am

solicitr wrote:
portia wrote:I agree that he should not have kept saying it after he realized that not everyone would be able to keep the same policies. Early warning would, possibly, have been helpful and something might have been worked out earlier if it had been acknowledged earlier.



If he had told the truth, it never would have passed. If he had subsequently told the truth, the GOP effort to delay it for a year would have prevailed. Don't try to call it an innocent mistake or a tactical error; it was deliberate, conscious fraud. Nor does "after he realized" work; mass cancellations were predicted by CBO in its first analysis of the bill.


Not true. While in negotiations, all sorts of issues come up. If that were to come up, something else would have been adjusted, to compensate.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby Jnyusa » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:39 pm

This horse is dead. I couldn't keep up with the endless changes in my coverage before, during, or after implementation of the ACA. It's a free market more or less; insurance companies diddle, cheat, and ultimately compete, and they need customers to stay alive just like every other industry, so they can't hold their breath until they turn blue.

If this were a bank-instigated stock market crash we would call it "an adjustment," pick up our remote and switch to another channel. <stifles yawn>

What will be interesting, I think, is if some insurance companies actually go out of business because their actuaries take too long figuring out the new horizon. With the insurance mandate that kind of contraction will make for a larger insurance pool for the surviving companies, and this lowers premium requirements. You don't get the same concentration effects in insurance that you would get in ... the auto industry, say ... because of their reserve requirements, so a little concentration could be a good thing. Or we might see some of the transnational financial holding companies divest their insurance subsidiaries and that might re-regionalize the industry, as it was before 1980. It was more efficient then, in my opinion.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:48 pm

I think this is the beginning of a long term adjustment in the health insurance industry.
If there is more competition, then rates will go down, but not through cutting available plans. We might have more shortcuts being played with coverage, or for profit companies might become scarce.
It will be interesting to watch.

What I think, and expect, is that approaches that WORK will be more common. I think that approaches that work should be politics-neutral most of the time. But there will be people who will cling to approaches that are more ideology driven, regardless of how they work. I really wish that some more Conservative thinkers would contribute; saying "no" all time is useless without presenting some sort of alternative.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby Cenedril_Gildinaur » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:28 pm

Did you hear about the latest in the conservative War on Women, where the leader of a regional Tea Party organization compared the severity of beating up one's girlfriend for refusing to have sex with jaywalking? You didn't? Well that's because it wasn't the Tea Party, but the President of the New England NAACP explaining why he opposed the expulsion of a Democratic member of the Massachusetts state legislature for holding down and punching his then-girlfriend. I can't imagine why you haven't heard more about it. Can't imagine." — Steve Horwitz

Graham: Rep. Carlos Henriquez' crime not ‘jaywalking’

On Beacon Hill, even the “we never met a bar we couldn’t lower (or stumble out of )” gang couldn’t swallow a convicted woman-beater among their ranks. State Rep. Carlos Henriquez was expelled from the House by an overwhelming vote of 146-5.

A move to censure Henriquez rather than expel him was rejected by a similar margin.

But yesterday morning before the vote, the New England Area Conference of the NAACP released a letter urging the House not to expel the convicted lawmaker.

....

“He was convicted of two misdemeanors — not felonies—misdemeanors,” Cofield said. “Almost every day people commit misdemeanors. Jaywalking is a misdemeanor. Would you have a member expelled from the House for jaywalking?”

Really? Jaywalking?

“Would you really compare jaywalking to beating a woman who denied you sex?” I asked.

“It’s a misdemeanor,” Cofield replied.

....

This is a guy who votes on laws regarding sexual abuse and criminal punishment who was convicted by a jury of smacking a woman around after a hook-up gone wrong. This from the “Stop the War on Women!” party? It would be a scandal to allow him to continue.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:43 pm

Obama's most transparent administration evah...
Risen: Obama administration is this generation’s ‘greatest enemy of press freedom’

“It won’t take me long to alienate everyone in the room,” Jeffrey Toobin told an audience in New York Friday. “For better or worse, it has been clear there is no journalistic privilege under the First Amendment.”

The New Yorker staff writer and CNN commentator was appearing on a panel as part of a conference called Sources and Secrets at the Times Center. A lot has already been written about the conference (links below), so I’m going to pull out a theme that appears again and again in my notes: How much protection do reporters really have with regard to sources, and how much, if any, protection would a federal shield law give them?

New York Times reporter James Risen, who is fighting an order that he testify in the trial of Jeffrey Sterling, a former CIA officer accused of leaking information to him, opened the conference earlier by saying the Obama administration is “the greatest enemy of press freedom that we have encountered in at least a generation.” The administration wants to “narrow the field of national security reporting,” Risen said, to “create a path for accepted reporting.” Anyone journalist who exceeds those parameters, Risen said, “will be punished.”

The administration’s aggressive prosecutions have created “a de facto Official Secrets Act,” Risen said, and the media has been “too timid” in responding.

Toobin appeared on a panel that followed, moderated by Times Supreme Court reporter Adam Liptak, who announced that if he weren’t a paragon of journalistic detachment, he’d say “the persecution of James Risen is a scandal.” The attorney Laura Handman noted that the U.S. Department of Justice’s new guidelines for accessing journalists’ records carve out a big space for the government to decide what constitutes “ordinary newsgathering.”

continues:
http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/medi ... s-freedom/
CNN Newsroom anchor Carol Costello:
“President Obama’s people can be quite nasty. They don’t like you to say anything bad about their boss, and they’re not afraid to use whatever means they have at hand to stop you from doing that, including threatening your job.”

“This is the most closed, control freak administration I’ve ever covered,” said David E. Sanger, veteran chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby ILvEowyn » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:31 pm

Cenedril_Gildinaur wrote:Did you hear about the latest in the conservative War on Women, where the leader of a regional Tea Party organization compared the severity of beating up one's girlfriend for refusing to have sex with jaywalking? You didn't? Well that's because it wasn't the Tea Party, but the President of the New England NAACP explaining why he opposed the expulsion of a Democratic member of the Massachusetts state legislature for holding down and punching his then-girlfriend. I can't imagine why you haven't heard more about it. Can't imagine." — Steve Horwitz

Graham: Rep. Carlos Henriquez' crime not ‘jaywalking’

On Beacon Hill, even the “we never met a bar we couldn’t lower (or stumble out of )” gang couldn’t swallow a convicted woman-beater among their ranks. State Rep. Carlos Henriquez was expelled from the House by an overwhelming vote of 146-5.

A move to censure Henriquez rather than expel him was rejected by a similar margin.

But yesterday morning before the vote, the New England Area Conference of the NAACP released a letter urging the House not to expel the convicted lawmaker.

....

“He was convicted of two misdemeanors — not felonies—misdemeanors,” Cofield said. “Almost every day people commit misdemeanors. Jaywalking is a misdemeanor. Would you have a member expelled from the House for jaywalking?”

Really? Jaywalking?

“Would you really compare jaywalking to beating a woman who denied you sex?” I asked.

“It’s a misdemeanor,” Cofield replied.

....

This is a guy who votes on laws regarding sexual abuse and criminal punishment who was convicted by a jury of smacking a woman around after a hook-up gone wrong. This from the “Stop the War on Women!” party? It would be a scandal to allow him to continue.


Is there some sort of point that you're attempting to make about democrats with this CG?
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:09 pm

The Heretic wrote:Obama's most transparent administration evah...
Risen: Obama administration is this generation’s ‘greatest enemy of press freedom’

“It won’t take me long to alienate everyone in the room,” Jeffrey Toobin told an audience in New York Friday. “For better or worse, it has been clear there is no journalistic privilege under the First Amendment.”

The New Yorker staff writer and CNN commentator was appearing on a panel as part of a conference called Sources and Secrets at the Times Center. A lot has already been written about the conference (links below), so I’m going to pull out a theme that appears again and again in my notes: How much protection do reporters really have with regard to sources, and how much, if any, protection would a federal shield law give them?

New York Times reporter James Risen, who is fighting an order that he testify in the trial of Jeffrey Sterling, a former CIA officer accused of leaking information to him, opened the conference earlier by saying the Obama administration is “the greatest enemy of press freedom that we have encountered in at least a generation.” The administration wants to “narrow the field of national security reporting,” Risen said, to “create a path for accepted reporting.” Anyone journalist who exceeds those parameters, Risen said, “will be punished.”

The administration’s aggressive prosecutions have created “a de facto Official Secrets Act,” Risen said, and the media has been “too timid” in responding.

Toobin appeared on a panel that followed, moderated by Times Supreme Court reporter Adam Liptak, who announced that if he weren’t a paragon of journalistic detachment, he’d say “the persecution of James Risen is a scandal.” The attorney Laura Handman noted that the U.S. Department of Justice’s new guidelines for accessing journalists’ records carve out a big space for the government to decide what constitutes “ordinary newsgathering.”

continues:
http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/medi ... s-freedom/
CNN Newsroom anchor Carol Costello:
“President Obama’s people can be quite nasty. They don’t like you to say anything bad about their boss, and they’re not afraid to use whatever means they have at hand to stop you from doing that, including threatening your job.”

“This is the most closed, control freak administration I’ve ever covered,” said David E. Sanger, veteran chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times.


AH, well, the press is well known for being the most sensitive of its rights of anyone around, and well able to expand the definition of freedom of the press to infinity. But that does not mean that anything the reporter wants to keep secret is covered. A bit more analysis is required.

And, when a press person's ox is being gored, you can depend upon the press to claim the goring is the worst ever, and ignore the resulting laughter.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:35 am

In the corruptocrat party:
State Sen. Leland Yee indicted on arms trafficking, corruption charges
SAN FRANCISCO -- Known for navigating the state Capitol's backrooms and this city's complicated political landscape, state Sen. Leland Yee now is accused of consorting with notorious felons, accepting money for his cash-strapped political campaigns in exchange for favors and promising undercover FBI agents he could deliver connections to international gun runners.

In a stunning development that almost certainly torpedoes Yee's quest for statewide office, the San Francisco Democrat wound up glum and disoriented in a federal courtroom Wednesday. The politician who introduced anti-gun-violence legislation is now charged with trafficking in firearms and public corruption in an FBI undercover operation that could land him in prison for years.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts ... corruption
And last month:
State Sen. Ronald Calderon, brother indicted in corruption scandal
State Sen. Ronald S. Calderon and his brother, Tom, have been indicted on public corruption charges, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office confirmed Friday.

The indictments stem from a corruption investigation into southeast Los Angeles politics that has centered on the Calderon family.

The U.S. attorney's office did not elaborate on the specific charges, but in a court document sent to The Times, said FBI agents confronted Ronald Calderon during a meeting in Las Vegas in May 2012, after which he agreed to wear a "wire" as part of the investigation.
...
An affidavit obtained last year by Al Jazeera America includes allegations that Ronald Calderon accepted $88,000 in bribes from an undercover FBI agent and a businessman to affect legislation to extend film-industry tax credits and to change workers' compensation laws.

The document also said there was also probable cause to believe that Ronald Calderon "participated in a separate bribery scheme with Michael D. Drobot," the chief executive officer of Pacific Hospital of Long Beach. The lawmaker allegedly accepted $28,000 from Drobot in exchange for "supporting legislation that would delay or limit changes in California's workers' compensation laws," the affidavit said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... z2xAVKSIWG
Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, Democrats caught on tape accepting bribes, Dem AG refuses to prosecute:
The Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office ran an undercover sting operation over three years that captured leading Philadelphia Democrats, including four members of the city's state House delegation, on tape accepting money, The Inquirer has learned.

Yet no one was charged with a crime.

Prosecutors began the sting in 2010 when Republican Tom Corbett was attorney general. After Democrat Kathleen G. Kane took office in 2013, she shut it down.

In a statement to The Inquirer on Friday, Kane called the investigation poorly conceived, badly managed, and tainted by racism, saying it had targeted African Americans.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-17/n ... n-kane-ali
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby portia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:57 pm

When you post a similar list of Repblicans, then we will have somethig to discuss.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:29 pm

More from the corruptocrat party:
Mayor Cannon resigns after corruption arrest
Patrick Cannon, who rose from public housing to become mayor of North Carolina’s largest city, was arrested Wednesday by the FBI and accused of accepting tens of thousands of dollars in bribes – including $20,000 in cash delivered in a briefcase last month to the mayor’s office.

Cannon, a 49-year-old Democrat who took office only four months ago, was scheduled to show up at a luxury apartment in SouthPark for yet another payoff from what he thought were businessmen needing his influence in city matters, the affidavit says.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/0 ... zTqccuYb1I
Pa. State Sen. LeAnna Washington ordered to stand trial
ABINGTON, Pa. - March 26, 2014 (WPVI) -- Pennsylvania state prosecutors won a first step Wednesday in their corruption case against state Sen. Leanna Washington, securing a judge's ruling that they have enough evidence for a trial on charges that Washington crossed the line when she allegedly ordered taxpayer-paid employees to organize an annual "birthday party" political fundraiser.

For eight years, Washington pressured her Senate staff to devote weeks to drawing up guest lists that included city and state officials, creating invitations and taking money from invitees that ultimately went to Washington's campaign account, prosecutors say.

They also allegedly used taxpayer-paid computers, copiers and office supplies.

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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby ILvEowyn » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:16 am

Here some stories about the corruptlicans.

Ahhhh see what I did there, Heretic?
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:24 am

ILvEowyn wrote:Here some stories about the corruptlicans.

Ahhhh see what I did there, Heretic?

Um, yes, I see what you are doing there. In a thread about Democrats, there you are, much like Portia and Minardil, trying to change the subject to Republicans.
It is almost as though there is not a thread devoted to Republicans...
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby Cenedril_Gildinaur » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:47 am

Bringing this back to topic, so that Democrats are being discussed in the Democrat thread (what a weird concept)...

This gentleman is an interesting character. He is the most anti-gun of all the senators in the California state senate. He's so anti-gun he wants to severely restrict 3-D printers on the grounds that maybe someone might print a gun with one of them.

Calif. state senator arrested for alleged gun-running was gun-control advocate

He's not just "for gun control". This guy is about as close to being a gun prohibitionist as you can find.

At the same time, federal prosecutors allege, Yee was arranging a deal between an arms dealer and an undercover federal agent for weapons including something similar to an M16 and rocket launchers.

That’s right, rocket launchers.

According to the indictment, Yee met with the undercover agent in San Francisco earlier this year and promised to introduce him to an arms dealer friend who could import weapons into the United States from Russia. Yee allegedly warned the agent that arms dealing wasn’t a business for “the faint of heart.”


He was suspended from the California state senate, helping to break the Democrat's super-majority status.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby Minardil » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:34 am

I guess I'm not entirely sure that tit-for-tat postings of petty crimes by individual low level functionaries is really what these two threads are really supposed to be about? I mean, if you're going to post an article about some State Senator who got caught with his fingers in the till (or his secretary), and then use that bad behavior as a very broad brush in which to tar all members of the same party, then you have to be willing to accept that same tar when one of YOUR low level dudes gets caught doing exactly the same thing, which we all know they will. I think we can all agree that there are dishonest politicians of all stripes, and there are honest politicians of all stripes. I think these threads (this one and the similar one about Republicans) are more about where the genuine leaders of the parties have gone astray, or where they guiding philosophies of each party have gone off the rails and slid into Bizzarro World territory. Certainly those big subjects would be more interesting, and also more representative of what should be seen as the "collective responsibility" of members of each respective party? If some candidate for Dog Catcher in some tiny town six states away is arrested for making Crystal Meth in his basement, that's hardly the sort of thing that you assign collective blame to an entire political party for. BUT, if your party's candidate for President says something incredibly stupid in a national debate, or your party builds a campaign platform based on a raft of idiotic or dangerous ideas, THAT's fair game. In my opinion, anyway.
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby Cenedril_Gildinaur » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:55 am

Minardil wrote:I guess I'm not entirely sure that tit-for-tat postings of petty crimes by individual low level functionaries is really what these two threads are really supposed to be about? I mean, if you're going to post an article about some State Senator who got caught with his fingers in the till (or his secretary), and then use that bad behavior as a very broad brush in which to tar all members of the same party, then you have to be willing to accept that same tar when one of YOUR low level dudes gets caught doing exactly the same thing, which we all know they will.


Go ahead and start a thread about elected officials in my party doing something wrong.

Oh, and gun running isn't a petty crime. And this was by the chief gun prohibitionist in the California senate. It's an example of hypocrisy. Take a theoretical thread about misbehaving libertarian elected officials. You find an article that says "oh my god this guy smoked pot." Well? Libertarians favor legalization and wouldn't even bat an eye at that article. It would be news if a drug warrior was caught doing drugs, it's not news if someone who wants to end the drug war is caught doing drugs. See the difference?
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Re: Democrats, dost thou know where thou art?

Postby The Heretic » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:43 pm

Continuing with corruptocrats:
On paid leave as he prepares to fight felony convictions for perjury and voter fraud, state Sen. Roderick Wright (D-Inglewood) said Monday he is finding it frustrating to be away from the policy debate in Sacramento and being stuck in a world of legalese in the criminal justice system.

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/03 ... e-20140303

ALBANY — In another embarrassment for the state Legislature, the FBI raided the home and offices of a Queens assemblyman Wednesday morning.
Democrat William Scarborough — who was not charged — told reporters the feds and state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s office are probing whether he abused his Assembly travel expenses.
Scarborough has routinely been among the Legislature’s leaders in putting in for the expenses.

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