Sexual abuse on campus

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Sexual abuse on campus

Postby portia » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:53 am

The fundamental problem, IMO, is that young women and young men have, generally, undeveloped brains. Alcohol, drugs or just general horniness can lead some people into behavior that is beyond their ability to control. (and of course, there are instances of proper behavior being taken over by force).
So, what dos this mean? is it an instance of the adults around laying down the law and woe betide anyone who violates it? Are we about to create a whole new set of rules, which expect women to control all situations?
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Re: Sexual abuse on campus

Postby portia » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:49 am

There is also the problem that proof is needed to distinguish the consensual act from the non-consensual." He said--she said" situations are very hard to resolve. (Especially since some young men cannot imagine that a woman would not want him/them, so it MUST have been consensual, regardless of torn clothing, bleeding etc.) Women have to be convinced to complain.That is hard where the culture is so much against complaint.
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Re: Sexual abuse on campus

Postby Jnyusa » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:34 am

The fundamental problem, IMO, is that young women and young men have, generally, undeveloped brains.


That certainly describes some of my students. :lol:

Thing is, young people don't have adult brains until their early twenties, by which time most who will go to college have already finished. Impulse control is still very poor in college-aged students. These kids clamor to be treated as adults, and in so many ways they are adults, but on campuses we've essentially opened all the doors and windows and placed them in social and sexual situations where they are constantly having to make adult decisions for which they are neither culturally prepared nor hard-wired as adult humans. It's part of the larger schizophrenia of our culture, I think, to make the task impossible and then blame the individual for failing.

And, too, it has to do with colleges trying to keep high rates of "retention," meaning whatever the student wants the student gets (e.g. co-ed dorms, no curfews, unenforced wink-wink drinking rules, too-flexible course requirements, etc.) even though they have a very foggy notion of what their real choices and consequences are.
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Re: Sexual abuse on campus

Postby Democritus » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:57 am

portia wrote:There is also the problem that proof is needed to distinguish the consensual act from the non-consensual." He said--she said" situations are very hard to resolve. (Especially since some young men cannot imagine that a woman would not want him/them, so it MUST have been consensual, regardless of torn clothing, bleeding etc.) Women have to be convinced to complain.That is hard where the culture is so much against complaint.


It's a good question, one that has alarmed me since moving to the USA, given how hysterical a lot of the debate here has been. Feminists like Jessica Valenti giving short shrift to the notion of innocent before being guilty, and reasonable doubt, happily inflating rates of sexual assault on campuses, and as demanding that academics, not the police, being put in the impossible position of convicting, via expulsion, male students accused of sexual assault or rape, despite not being professionally trained to extract, and then weigh, the evidence each case to bear. On the other hand, the MRA types are just as ludicrous to me, of which Trump seems to be banner boy for, with his 'locker-room' banter nonsense, for justifying self-boasting examples of sexual assault on women.

Can we attempt to balance out a sane compromise please?
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