Belief in god/supreme power

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Postby arwentinuviel » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:38 am

Hey I was just wondering how many people here<BR>believe in god/ supreme power?and why?(i don't know if this question has already been asked because i haven't checked out all the threads)
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Postby Beleg » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:40 am

Yes.
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Postby Laurenendorian » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:42 am

<i>No.</i><BR><BR>(although I not entirely decided)
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Postby Sharn » Mon Jun 25, 2001 8:31 am

Definitely not.
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Postby enchantress » Mon Jun 25, 2001 8:55 am

Yes - Goddess<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~enchantress
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Postby IsildursHeir » Mon Jun 25, 2001 9:06 am

I'm still deciding.
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Postby The_Grey_Pilgrim » Mon Jun 25, 2001 9:48 am

With all my heart and soul.
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Postby Anglachel » Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:00 am

Yes, I believe in God completely, and I base my entire life on that belief. As for why... I've been raised in a Christian home my entire life, I've gone to church every possible Sunday, and have gone to a Christain school every year (except for kindergarden), but it's my faith in what I cannot see that makes me believe. I don't necessarily see God himself, but I see Him working in the world around me and in the lives of the people who share my belief. Everyday I see the things that He does to make things work out for His plan for each one of us. I see how our world is designed to fit our needs, and I see how His love and mercy protects us. I don't understand why anyone could not believe, but I guess for those who don't, they can't understand why anyone could believe. If you're not sure, or just curious, I encourage you to find someone who will explain the reasons for their belief further.
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Postby Axordil » Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:14 am

Believe it or not, yes.
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Postby asaris » Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:31 am

Yes
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Postby arcados » Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:34 am

Of course! Those who do not believe in God because they refuse to are lost. Only they can recover their souls by finding refuge and peace and inner joy in God.
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Postby Sharn » Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:56 pm

Oh please, preserve us from the god-bothering bible-thumping lunatic fringe that gives decent christian people a bad name.<BR>I don't know why you people think you can impose your bizarre life-choices on everyone else.<BR>Christian-fine. I respect your creed even if I don't espouse it but could the mad minority please refrain from the hellfire stuff? It's very boring.
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Postby Elanor_the_Fair » Mon Jun 25, 2001 3:59 pm

Sharn- please don't put down arcados's religion. Although a Christian, I don't exactly agree with most of the "extreme christian" views. But that's no reason to put down his choice, he didn't try and convert you or anything.
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Postby Khamul'sshadow » Mon Jun 25, 2001 5:47 pm

Elanor the Fair : Are we reading the same thread ? It was Arcados<BR>who first insulted non-believers with a dismissive and insulting<BR>"Lost". I have many Christian friends who would never be so arrogant<BR>or presumptous to assume that anyone who does not subscibe to their<BR>religion is somehow in a spiritual wasteland. Everyone has a right to<BR>their beliefs - you, Arcados, Sharn, and so on. For myself, I would<BR>have to vote "undecieded" ( but can't see any of the world's<BR>religions as containing all universal truth : IMHO, I would view them<BR>as humanity's attempts to come to terms with the infinite )
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Postby TheSeeker » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:43 pm

Yes, I do, and I'll tell you why. Because when I look at nature's beauty and magnificence around me--its perfect cycle--I am without doubt that there is a higher being than ourselves--an Illuvitar of our own--a creator with a beautiful song that turned this world into what it is today. I could never believe, by looking around me, that I am chance mutation. I don't WANT to believe it. Who else here wants to be loved by a merciful and caring God? Who wants to be LOVED by a higher ground? I know I do.<BR><BR>Thankyou for allowing me to speak my mind, and I hope I did not offend anyone.<BR><BR><i>I do not 'choose' my faith, I am chosen. I do not seek the religion that is most 'comfortable', I seek the truth, and only the truth. </i><BR>
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Postby The_Grey_Pilgrim » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:48 pm

Ax,<BR><BR>Fascinating! You think you know someone and then BOOM! they go and tell you that they believe in God. Now is that God or god, or a god? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Anglachel » Mon Jun 25, 2001 8:07 pm

Some how I knew this thread was gonna end up like this, <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0> but I hope and ask that we get back to the questions at hand; "Why do/don't you believe in God?" Let's not get hung up on who's trying to make other people believe differently, <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> and let's refrain from saying anything about people's beliefs on who goes where after they die, please.<BR><BR>I really agree with what The Seeker said. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby TheSeeker » Mon Jun 25, 2001 9:32 pm

Thankyou, Anglachel. I try to be clear and open-minded with my thinking...as not to offend anyone. It's always never pretty when a simple question gets into an ugly argument.
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Postby the_Wanderer » Tue Jun 26, 2001 1:38 am

I'm agnostic. However, I believe in myself. I would hardly call myself lost for not being a believer. How ridiculous. To each his own remember?
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Postby arwentinuviel » Tue Jun 26, 2001 1:46 am

hey guys<BR>When i started this thread i had no idea it get so heated up<BR>But as for my answer to the question, i'm still undecided.<BR>But i feel that it is wrong for anyone elso to impose their belief's on others<BR>i definitely don't believe that people who don'y believe in god our lost. we all need to have faith in something, well i have faith in myself
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Postby the_Wanderer » Tue Jun 26, 2001 1:51 am

Exactly.
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Postby Axordil » Tue Jun 26, 2001 8:08 am

TGP--<BR><BR>That would be telling. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>So I'll tell. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> My vision of God is much like Wm. Blake's, one who has grown as humanity has grown, or perhaps, one whom we perceive differently as our ability to perceive grows, and who takes that into account. I see masculine and feminine principles both in this vision, and so I am closer in some ways to current pagan streams of thought than Christian; my sense of imminence in the natural world reinforces this. However, I am more inclined to embrace traditional Christian concepts such as forgiveness of enemies, meekness, and charity than many pure pagans I know. <BR><BR>I have few real eschatalogical views, since like Blake, I think that we live in eternity from moment to moment, if we just pay attention. It might be nice if my consciousness continued on after physical death, but it doesn't affect how I live now, so I don't count on it. So many aspects of consciousness have been shown to be direct products of physiology that I don't think it likely. However, I do believe in an ineffable soul, separate from consciousness, because I think that is our direct link to the divine, to God. Whether that soul gets recycled is not clear to me, but it would make for a nice unity of process with the way life works in the physical world.<BR><BR>I believe in love for the world and for its inhabitants, and in the joy of being aware of that love. I believe in the supreme power of the human imagination, that faculty which makes us most Godlike. I believe that it matters that we exist, even if the reasons aren't clear, and that we must live our lives in that light.<BR><BR>Usually I tell people I'm Unitarian. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby the_patriot » Fri Jun 29, 2001 3:38 am

God!!!!!!<BR>H m m m!<BR>i dont!<BR>what is god to you people?
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Postby Annael » Fri Jun 29, 2001 6:45 am

A simple,'I believe that' at the beginning of some of the more offensive statements would have kept people from getting upset. Although this is implied, since the person is posting it, it seems people forget that everything posted is just some person's perspective, some person's belief.<BR><BR>Just an observation.<BR><BR>By the way, I believe in the God of the Bible. I even stick with Him when modern society has 'problems' with Him.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Silmarien » Fri Jun 29, 2001 10:56 pm

Do I believe in god?<BR>Hmm... that's a though one<BR><BR>I would like to believe in god, but I must have a lack of faith because I can't, sometimes I can kid myself that there is one but when it comes down to it "no" is the answer.<BR><BR>This much faith I have: that if I am completely wrong (which I hope I am) that god would accept me into heaven because I am a good person, and that he would not punish me for being confused in a confusing world.<BR><BR>Lady Silmariën
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Postby ciryatan » Sat Jun 30, 2001 1:56 am

Creating God is just the reaction human being gave to the fear to Death; it's just a debility and a symptom of ignorance<BR>
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Postby Epor » Sat Jun 30, 2001 2:46 am

I'm what you could call an indifferent agnostic, god (or even God, though <i>that</i> I find extremely unlikely) may or may not exist, but I don't really care either way.
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Postby Gromm » Sat Jun 30, 2001 4:07 am

Why is blind faith of such great importance? How is it so that all non-christians are thrown into fiery pit, just because they lack the ability to have blind faith in something they can not see, or in any other way perceive? <BR><BR>An entity that would require such would be sadistic, evil - despicable in the extreme. <BR><BR>So I do not believe in HIM. If there is god, then 'they' are very different from the christian god, the God that most people picture as an old, bearded guy. God, if god exists, is ageless, genderless and faceless. <BR><BR>I think that most of those who believe in the Bible in its entirety, never questioning any part, not ever letting single doubt enter their mind, do so because of (subsconscious) fear that if doubt ever were to enter their mind, it would make way to another doubt, then another, starting a sort of 'chain reaction', and one by one all their beliefs would eventually collapse. In my opinion, such faith, faith that can not endure doubt, is worthless. <BR><BR><i>If there were no god, it would be necessary to invent him</i> - Jean-Paul Sartre
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Postby Anglachel » Sat Jun 30, 2001 6:58 am

Well, it seems no matter what people believe, some one has to say something that offends some one else. This time I have been offended by what ciryatan said, <br><br><< <i> a symptom of ignorance.</i> >><br><br> Just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean that everyone who does is stupid. Insulting our intellegence is certainly not the way to handle a difference in beliefs. Certainly you can't really believe we are all ignorant. Tolkien believed in God. Do you think he was ignorant? I certainly don't, and I don't think you really do either. <BR><BR>And in response to Gromm, You all well have a distorted view of Christian beliefs. This is not your fault, most people see it this way. First off, God does not send people to hell, that would be Satan, and Satan is "sadistic, evil - despicable in the extreme." Second, I don't believe that God is some "heavenly grandfather" that some people see Him as, and I don't think most Christians do. Third, I don't doubt what the Bible says because I have never read something that I would have a reason to doubt. If I ever have a question on something, I ask some one who I can trust to give me the correct answer. I do angree that faith that cannot endure is worthiess, but I know that my faith can indure, so it is more valuable than you realize.<BR><BR>On a lighter note to Silmarien, if you are not sure about your belief, you should ask a Christian you know well to answer some of your questions. I'm sure they would be more than happy to answer them all. If it is a lack of faith your worried about, that is a problem everyone has. Even Jesus's disciples struggles with a lack of faith, and they were the ones that saw all his miracles.<BR>
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Postby Tuor, » Sat Jun 30, 2001 8:24 am

What I like,(sarcasm) is the way that people have the need to tell other people why they believe in God. As if they have us all figured out. The only reason why I believe in God is that I fear death? Has this been proven, or is this just some way a person can feel superior about the position of not believing in God? Why the need to make your position the superior? Human Nature? Oops, wrong thread.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>In any case, people on both sides of the issue try to make their position superior, I believe because everyone wants to win the debate. What debate? The debate over who is right.<BR><BR>The sooner you can get over having to be right about everything and merely pointing out where arguments are wrong and right, the sooner you will be happier. You can only control yourself, and that means you can only insure that you are right to yourself. Getting frustrated because you are trying to convince others that you are right is a losing proposition. As Galadriel said, we fight the long defeat.(or something like that)<BR><BR>It is a fine line between debate and argument. I'm not saying I don't argue about how right I am, but I am working on it. I am a work in progress. Just because I have an ideal that I am working to achieve doesn't make me hypocritical.
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