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BBC's Sherlock

Postby Elmtree » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:49 pm

Didn't see a thread up on 'Sherlock' yet. Just watched it -- this modern day Sherlock Holmes. I rather feared this 'update'. While I like Steven Moffat's writing, the idea of a 21st Century Holmes seemed like a really bad idea.

It wasn't. It was quite good. I was glued to the screen. It's not for the kiddies for several reasons (topical), but a good mystery, and both characters really come across as Holmes and Watson. Anyone else watch it? (on this board, I'd guess the answer would be 'yes' ).
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Postby Roccondil » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:31 am

I watched it and my expectations were not high. However, I thought it was excellent. The acting was, especially from Holmes and Watson, was very good, and I loved the way the essence of the story was retained while making it very much 21st century and without slavishly following the original plot (which would have been a big mistake).

There are two more episiodes to come I think. Can't wait!
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Postby Entmooting » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:21 am

It was surprisingly good. I hadn't realised it was by Stephen Moffat, but was not surprised, considering Holmes's characterization is a dead-ringer for Matt Smith's Doctor.

I look forward to the remaining two episodes.
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Postby merlyn » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:50 pm

I wonder if it'll be showing up on PBS over here; I recently saw a preview of coming attractions for PBS's "Masterpiece Mystery" which listed, alongside figures whom I've already seen on it (such as Miss Marple and Inspector Lewis) someone whom host Alan Cumming called "a Sherlock Holmes for our times" - followed by a clip of someone crying "The game is on!" (an obvious echo of Holmes' famous line from the start of "The Adventure of the Abbey Grange"). Could that be a reference to this "Sherlock" series?
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Postby dhalgren » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:37 pm

I loved it, beautifully acted, and wonderfully shot (and made me all nostalgic-like for old London town).

Ent, I do keep reading that people find Mr. Cumberbatch's Sherlock similar to Matt Smith's Doctor, but I just don't see it, apart from the obvious similarities that have always existed since Hartnell (the Doctor has always been partly written as a kind of Space Sleuth).
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Postby Roccondil » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:07 pm

merlyn wrote:someone crying "The game is on!" (an obvious echo of Holmes' famous line from the start of "The Adventure of the Abbey Grange"). Could that be a reference to this "Sherlock" series?


Yes it is. "The game is on!" is from this episode.
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Postby Entmooting » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:32 pm

dhalgren wrote:I loved it, beautifully acted, and wonderfully shot (and made me all nostalgic-like for old London town).

Ent, I do keep reading that people find Mr. Cumberbatch's Sherlock similar to Matt Smith's Doctor, but I just don't see it, apart from the obvious similarities that have always existed since Hartnell (the Doctor has always been partly written as a kind of Space Sleuth).
As I said, dhal, I didn't know this was penned by Moffat until afterwards, so I wasn't primed to expect similarities. What I noticed were the mannerisms; the sudden, machine gun delivery, almost a stream of conciousness. Cumberbatch looks and sounds differently, of course, but there were times when i found myself thinking that this would make an excellent Dr Who episode.

None of this is a criticism, of Moffat, Cumberbatch (who was excellent in the Last Enemy) or Smith. It was simply a similarity that struck me.

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Postby Gungnir » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:18 am

I managed to watch it last night via the magic of BBC iPlayer. I wasn't expecting much but it was brilliant.
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Postby Hobbituk » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:03 am

I loved it too. Thought both Benedict Cumberbatch (best name ever?) and Martin Freeman were superb. Not to mention Mark Gatiss!

I get the Doctor Who comparison, though of course Doctor Who was inspired by Sherlock Holmes long before Sherlock was inspired by Doctor Who. However, Sherlock's line and delivery of "Oh, this is Christmas!" was identical to Matt Smith's line in the Vampires of Venice episode.

I also thought the direction was great and the gimmick of text messages and clues popping up on the screen worked really well.

Really looking forward to the next two!
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Postby Elmtree » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:02 pm

Entmooting wrote:It was surprisingly good. I hadn't realised it was by Stephen Moffat, but was not surprised, considering Holmes's characterization is a dead-ringer for Matt Smith's Doctor.


I think it's more that Holmes and the Doctor are similar characters (in quite a few incarnations-- of both). So there are bound to be similarities. I have never seen this actor before-- he's really good.

I felt it really captured the essence of Sherlock Holmes, despite the changes in time period. It was far truer to the characters than many other takes on Holmes set in the "right period".

And IA with Hobbituk... direction was excellent. I wonder if the second episode (directed by who director Euros Lyn) will be as good. Direction and Editing can really make or break a show (though Lyn was good on Who).
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Postby merlyn » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:26 pm

Roccondil wrote:
Yes it is. "The game is on!" is from this episode.


Thanks. I'm looking forward to seeing it if Masterpiece Mystery does indeed air it.
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Postby Elmtree » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:26 pm

merlyn wrote:I wonder if it'll be showing up on PBS over here; I recently saw a preview of coming attractions for PBS's "Masterpiece Mystery"


Yep, a friend of mine just told me it's coming to PBS in the fall. I don't know the date yet.
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Postby ToshoftheWuffingas » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:14 pm

I missed the first episode but picked up the vibes about it. I saw the second episode tonight and it's cracking! Excellent in all sorts of ways and buzzing with energy. As a small concern, I'd say that the frenetic camera work might get annoying in a series but in a single episode it was fine.
Something to look forward to next week certainly.
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Postby Elmtree » Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:46 am

First episode was better. The second was good, just not as good as the first. The direction on the second was good, but on the first it was outstanding. The 'frenetic camera work' worked well in the first episode. It's the sort of thing that can be a gimmick or can really work depending on the story.
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Postby Luinnenion » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:26 pm

Gungnir wrote:Incidentally, Luinennion, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the BBC's 'Sherlock', if you have managed to see it yet.


"Sherlock" is right up my alley. At this point, I have the books, and Jeremy Brett's Holmes in the excellent and very faithful Granada series. So I'm interested in faithful and respectful new takes. This was why I liked the Robert Downey, Jr. film.

The very idea of an "updated" Sherlock Holmes intrigues me, particularly when made by Steven Moffat, whose other work I'm a big fan of. When the stories were first written, they were set in the present day, in modern London. London's changed since then, so it's fun to see how that would change the characters as well.

I absolutely loved the first episode. It captured everything about Holmes and Watson, blended perfectly with the "updates".

I liked the second episode. I agree with Elmtree. It was good, but not quite the level of the first episode. I thought Watson got a bit of the short shrift -- unlike the intriguing first episode, the second one seemed to pick on him a bit. Still, excellent performances in both episodes, and nice to see in this one Sherlock's fighting ability and affected charm with the ladies.
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Postby Elmtree » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:17 pm

I think that's it.. the Watson stuff did not ring quite as true in the second episode. The plot was fine.

I've heard the third one is excellent-- I won't be able to see it until Monday or Tuesday, so I'll have to avoid the spoilers here for a day or so.
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Postby Gungnir » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:40 pm

The third one? It isn't on for another 25 minutes. I'm sitting here waiting with the kids for it to start.
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Postby Gungnir » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:42 am

Well, it was very good indeed except for [spoiler]the fact that we've got to wait until next year to find out what happens!!![/spoiler] and [spoiler]the fact that Moriarty had a touch of the Graham Norton about him.[/spoiler]

Apart from those two niggles - brilliant!
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Postby Gungnir » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:05 am

Also I forgot to ask whether the ladies here (and possibly others?) who swoon for snarky Snape in HP get similar feelings from Sherlock (despite Cumberbatch's looking a bit like a young Roger Moore)?
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Postby Hobbituk » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:12 am

Gungnir, I made the Alan Rickman comparison in the opening shot with Sherlock in silhouette. Think it was a lot down to his deep voice and slow, deliberate delivery.


Enjoyed the last episode although I guessed the twist at the end a bit too early (which is very unlike me), so I was expecting it [spoiler]After all, "This is Jim"... how many characters called James could you have in an episode featuring Moriarty?[/spoiler]
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Postby ToshoftheWuffingas » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:26 pm

One thing is how very important Martin Freeman's Watson is to the success. His weary humanity balances and acts as a commentary to the hyper-reality of Holmes. It's a commonplace to approve of the Watson / Holmes dynamic but I think they have brought something fresh and true to it. The writers seem to have recognised what Freeman could bring to it and worked it into the scripts.
It's as big a pleasure to watch him as to watch Cumberbatch.
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Postby Elmtree » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:28 pm

Rickman! THAT'S why his voice is so familiar... he does sound like Rickman.

I've watched the third ep, and am currently (on the other computer window) watching it again with the hubby. I loved it.. thought this one was on par with or even better than the first one.

WHEN will the next one's come out?

Oh... it's obvious how this one will conclude...[spoiler] sherlock typed the location- pool-- on his website. Plus that he had the plans. So I figure mycroft will have his folks come in and save the day. Next seaons... whenever that is[/spoiler]

I completely missed what you guessed early, Hobbituk. And I'm usually good at picking those things up (so much so I drive my family nuts because I'll guess in the first ten minutes and announce it to the room). But totally missed this one.

I agree Freeman is very good, though I'd like to see just a little more of the gentlemanly manners Watson had in the books. Not victorian manners, as this is set in modern times, but Watson was not just an everyman (he wasn't, really, though he was "us" more or less in the stories), he was a gentleman.
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Postby Hobbituk » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:52 am

He was sleeping on the hot doctor's sofa. Isn't that the definition of 'Gentleman' these days? :D
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Postby Frelga » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:27 am

Missed the second episode last week, but watched the third on PBS tonight. Screenwriters who leave off on cliffhangers should be scratched then flogged with shoelaces. The shoelaces.
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Also, what's with the sociopath business? Holmes was certainly a bit short at times, as people tend to be who are more intelligent than most of those around them, but what is this "I don't have a heart" idea?

Otherwise, excellent TV, right up to the non-end.
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Postby Morwenna » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:29 am

We saw the first episode; I think hubby has seen more. We've enjoyed it so far.
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Postby Elmtree » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:38 pm

Is it just my olde fashioned TV? or did PBS cut off the ends of each shot? Looked much better on my computer when I was watching it in a naughty fashion.
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Postby Martin the Warrior » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:50 am

Watched my first episode last night on WNED, A Study in Pink, I have to say I found it truly enjoyable. I found though that Benedict Cumberbatch's preformance reminded my of Jeremy Brett's in his mannerisms. Can't wait till next week.
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Postby GlassHouse » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:17 pm

I finally got to watch an episode and I agree that it is very good. Even my son was hooked and he never likes mysteries.
My one quibble (and this is not exclusively about this show) is that i found the dialogue hard to understand at times. They seem to talk very low and sometimes fast, combine that with the accents, that by themselves, aren't that hard to understand, I had no trouble with the northern accents on "Life on Mars" for instance - but combine them with the music which seems to me to be too loud, drowning out the actors and it was very difficult to understand at times.

I've noticed this on the new Dr Who also.

I tried increasing the volume but it just made the music louder.

Finally went into the audio menu on my tv and turning the base down helped a little.

has anyone else noticed?


A funny aside, when "Life On Mars" was aired by BBC America, they had subtitles so us Americans could understand the northern accents...they weren't needed.
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Postby Elmtree » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:17 pm

Yes, but it's a bigger problem (for me) on Doctor Who than Sherlock.

I turn on subtitles :) Seriously, I sometimes can't easily hear thru the accent, and the MUSIC tends to be way overused and too loud. Is this a British TV thing? Either it didn't used to be (I watched many British TV shows aired on PBS over here, but most are 70s and 80s shows), or my hearing is just a lot worse than it used to be (also a possibility).
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