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Postby Frelga » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:28 am

What network will run Elementary, again? I haven't come across any trailers.
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Postby portia » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:58 am

It will be on CBS.

There are several websites about it, some with video. CBS's summary of the plot is that Holmes' addictions get the better of him; he goes through rehab and is required by his wealthy father (father??) to move to New York and take on a full time sober companion/addiction specialist. Holmes decides that the best treatment is to go back into investigation and Watson has to accompany him.

This is going to depend heavily on the actors and writers. The premise is OK, IMO.
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Postby Queen_Beruthiel » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:40 am

Mycroft is a god.

(In this version)
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Postby Wildwood » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:01 pm

I haven't read up on it at all, apart from that one bit where they were talkign about all the shows coming out this fall. The upfronts, i believe they called them? :D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I saw the one trailer, so far. He is in a room with what much be cops, I guess, and his female Watson. And he asks where the safe room is and of course, nobody else spotted there must be one, etc. And then they but to them all looking at a body on a floor and him saying "Sometimes I hate being right all the time' or some such.

I don't like that, all by itself, because BC's Sherlock would not even register the tragedy of it, really. Even in that episode where he was running around, trying to save people from being blown up, he was not especially worried about the people involved, but was much more caught up in the challenge of it. He did try to save the one who did speak and thus was killed, so maybe I am off track a little. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ah well. I am not at all ready to say whether i will or will not give it a look. I will not miss the person of interest premier, that's for certain. I love that show! So I may just let it play, so to speak, and give it the one look and see what its about. Maybe an unfunny Monk? not sure........:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Postby Hobbituk » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:36 am

The last three episodes of Sherlock had a 'three word banner' of Woman, Hound, Fall.

The next three episodes which are about to go into production are based around the following words...

Rat, Wedding, Bow.

Speculate away!
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Postby ArPharazon » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:24 am

Bet "The Giant Rat of Sumatra" = rat (it's one of the cases Doyle mentioned but never wrote).

Could "Bow" be based on "His Last Bow"? But as there's often a pun in their references in this series (i.e. The Geek Interpreter"!), maybe it'll refer to a violin bow, or even Bow in East London? maybe, then again, it'll be the last one they make??

Wedding, I have no clues for.

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Postby Queen_Beruthiel » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:44 pm

The Great Rat of Sumatra, in any shape or form, sounds too much like the faux exoticism and orientalism of The Blind Banker.

Since that dud they have moved on and the S2 episodes were influenced by American and British noir films and thrillers.

I can't see them going backwards so my guess is rat = traitor.
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Postby Wildwood » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:47 pm

I have made up my mind. I am going to watch at least the first episode of Elementary, to see what they make of it. But I go in with really low expectations. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

So they're about to start production on the next round of the real Sherlock show?? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D YIPPEE!! YAPPEE!!! YAHOOIE!!! (Chocolate to anybody who gets that reference!) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I am so excited about that! I wondered when they would. Been chomping at the bit for it. I know it will be a while, but as the saying goes...."sooner started, sooner done!" :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Postby Wildwood » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:18 am

Well....I watched it. and I didn't like it! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

i tried to be open minded, and I hope I was. I can't be certain, but I think I gave it a fair hearing. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I am not sure where it fell flat for me, precisely. The reviews are generally good for it, so I don't think it can be in how its made or production values or anything like that. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Sherlock - for one thing - just doesn't feel very Sherlock-ish to me. There was not enough of brilliant deduction, and a bit too much concentration on how he came to be where he is, and the rehab crap and all that. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Also - I do not like Watson as his sober coach. She's a doctor who does not doctor anymore because of some sort of baggage she is carrying around. He is a recovering drug addict, banished to NY by his rich Dad, who expects her to keep him out of trouble. Bingo! Don't like that element of it at all!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

And I also already saw one potential scene foreshadowing an attraction between them, and that is just going to be a big NO for me! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I am not sure whether I will watch a second episode or not. Did anyone else see it? Did you like it?? it may be a good show, in itself, when all is said and done, but it just does not make me think "Sherlock" at all!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Postby portia » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:09 pm

I am undecided. It looks like it has potential.

They have to do a lot of exposition, as this is the first episode. I expect we will see very little of it, from now on.

I would also not like a romantic relationship. Watson would have to be rather masochistic to fall for this guy as he is too full of himself and his "work" to be an acceptable partner. But you can never tell about US TV shows. I HOPE that the relationship is not too different from the relationship in the books: assistant, cheerleader, sounding board and sometimes source of caution.

This episode suffers from the same things a lot of Sherlock Holmes type stories do. They hide the clues, not letting the reader/audience see what Sherlock sees, until the end. This is a flaw, IMO, as Sherlock could say he observed almost anything, and the audience would have to accept it. It is arbitrary.
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Postby Wildwood » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:02 pm

I agree with you Portia. Much better to hide the clues in plain sight, for the audience to see if they can/will, so that when Sherlock explains it all, those of us who didn't see anything (I am always one of them!!) are amazed that it was under our noses the whole time! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D The more observant ones get to gloat at us, but its worth it! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I watched the second episode. It had more deduction in it, but still a lot of the angst crap. I really hate that! I mean - if you think of it, "Monk" is a Sherlock with OCD issues. His Watson is Sharona. "Castle" is a Sherlock type as well, but as a profiler/author. His Watson is also his LeStrad. "The Mentalist" is a Sherlock type. His Moriarty is that Red John character. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

"Psych" is a Sherlock type, as well. Gus is Watson for sure! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Sherlock has been the model for many detective/super sleuth/profiler type shows. But they don't call themselves Sherlock, and that makes a difference. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

If it's going to call itself Sherlock, I think it has to stick to a tighter description? I don't know....what do you think, Portia??

Anyhow - the jury is still out for me. I didn't like it so much that I am locked in. If I miss it, I won't cry. But I think I may watch one more, just to see if it changes any way. And there was more romantic tension, disguised as "can we get to be friends" stuff. All that about him calling her ex and inviting him over. And her bringing him his violin to play. They exploring each other's wounds, as it were...."so why are you so screwed up?" stuff. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

As a viewer who has seen this formula play out a million times, I suspect what comes next: ie - understanding leads to attraction leads to relationship. I hope not. It's not that I don't think they can just be friends. I would accept that. Require it even. But I just know how these tv people work. Do they ever EVER let a male and female character just be close friends without injecting that romance thing, unless one or hte other is gay???? Can you think of any examples? I really can't!
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Postby portia » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:13 pm

I can't think of one, offhand.

I pretty well liked the second episode. I particularly liked Sherlock getting the idea for the answer while sitting in an AA meeting. Some clues were still hidden.

Spoiler:
I think the whole concept of a drug induced coma as an alibi was artificial. It could have been foreshadowed in some way and been better

I am undecided about whether I think they have started down the slippery slope to romance.
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Postby oldtoby » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:57 pm

"Psych" is a Sherlock type, as well. Gus is Watson for sure!



"Psych" is awsome :D :D :D
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Postby Ted » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:27 pm

Hobbituk wrote:Rat, Wedding, Bow.
Speculate away!


Rat - I don't know.
Wedding - The Sign of Four (they have been foreshadowing that all season 2 on how Watson can't find anyone who will stick with him)
Bow - His Last Bow
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby portia » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:29 pm

So far Watson is not developing feelings for Holmes. Holmes, of course, is not developing feelings for Watson--I wouldn't expect him to. I think the show is pretty good and doesn't do violence to the canon, so far.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Wildwood » Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:56 pm

I am still watching it, and still conflicted about it. I am seriously beginning to doubt my own mental stability! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

They've stopped concentrating quite so much on the emo stuff, and have gotten more into the deductive stuff. I like that much better! Plus, I think I may be using it as a placebo, until I can get more Sherlock episodes, which we all know are not coming soon. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D I never miss Person of Interest, and I think that is also a part of it. It comes on right after and there is nothing else I like better on at the time. Johnny Lee Miller is interesting. I am not crazy about Watson though. It's weird. I wouldn't cry if it was cancelled. I won't reschedule plans around it. But I don't change the channel when it comes on. it's like that! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

About those titles...The Sign of the Four was a great story!!! Will look forward to seeing what they do with it, if it turns out that is the one they are taking on!
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Ashke Verasca » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:54 am

I am still on series first! In Poland they are really late with all TV shows :evil: But I love what I see. Sherlock has the same personality as in the books and it's huge compliment from me, because I love Holmes books from the early childhood. Much better than Elementary or Robert Downey Jr.'s Holmes. Benedict has awesome way of playing, I love when he solves the mysteries.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby GlassHouse » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:27 am

I haven't seen Elementary, does Lucy Liu really play Watson? Can't imagine that although I haven't seen her all that much...I thought she was pretty good as Fry's girl friend on Futurama. Does she do Kung fu in this? Also, if I had a recovering addict the last place in the world I would send him is NYC. where every drug in the world is readily available.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Ashke Verasca » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:12 am

Yes, Lucy plays Watson but it's Sherlock who bothers me. I just don't see THAT actor and that kind of acting as fitting for Holmes.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby frodolives668 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:57 pm

Okay, I'm american but I am in LOVE with this show! Maybe it's because I had absolutely no expectations because i hadn't heard of it before, but this show is just...there's no other word for it, perfect. In every single eisode whatever I want to happen happens. Every little thing goes exactly how it should. I don't know why. I don't know how these genious screen writers are reading my mind. All I know is this show is perfection. The pacing is excellent and far beyond its time. They don't shy away from the important things either. The casting is phenominal. But my absolute favourite thing about this writing is that it leaves mystery where there should be mystery, but it also shares everything I do want to know. For example, the episode with Irene Adler is perfectly done. I DARE not give away the ending, but I will tell you that in all the movies I've seen in my life, this is one of, if not the, most fitting endings to an episode you will ever see.

Another brilliant peice of work was that they show the clues out in words. A lot of people seemed to have mixed feelings about this, so let me explain why i think it works so well. Unlike the rest of the world, I like to have obvious things spelled out for me so I can focus on the details, which is why I love that the clues are written in words. For example, If I look at the fingerprints on the wet paint, I'll be thinking "What is that? Are those marks? Oh, there's fingerprints on the paint." in the nanosecond of time I have to think. By then the charactures are talking again and I listen to them. I don't have any more time to work out my own theories. If I can't try to solve the mystery right along with the charactures, I obviously dont care so why should I be watching a mystery show? I also have to wonder wheather any of the charactures in the show saw it or not, so I don't know if they know. Using the words over clues, everything is in Sherlocks' mind. What we see is what he sees. Now If I see the words "wet paint" and "fingerprints" I get to start working off off the obvious. I can use my time to think, "Why would someone touch the wall before the paint dried? I bet it was the gardener before he was strangled." or "Those fingerprints look big. It must have been a large man like the butler." Put simply, my time would be better spent working out the details than the obvious.

Does anyone know when next season is going to be comepleted? I've been ordering these from the library as soon as they come out on dvd so i have no idea about season three or when it will be out. Did they even start it yet?
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby ToshoftheWuffingas » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:41 pm

Yes, it is rather good isn't It? You aren't the only one waiting for more
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Hobbituk » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:29 am

They are filming the third 'season' right now.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby MeadowForest » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:34 am

Whoopee! And a forth is planned as well. :D This is one of the few modern series I actually wanted on DVD.

Picking up on your inverted commas, Hobbiuk... It bothers me when British people call series 1, 2, ... 'season 1, 2, ...' these days. That's the American term! I'm very nit-picky like that. :(
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Hobbituk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:55 am

My inverted commas were more a sly comment on calling three episodes a 'season' :) The season/series thing is a bit weird. It is an American thing now, but actually if you go back to the 60s, they used the term Season in British TV all the time. Doctor Who was always 'seasons'.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby MeadowForest » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:45 am

^ Ooh, that is very interesting to know! I'll remember that. :)
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby frodolives668 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:42 pm

I know what you mean about the season thing. Lokking back, it does sound a bit weird calling it a season if it only has three or so episodes. But i din't know that it's called a series across the ocean. I'm a little naive like that.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby portia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:21 pm

I think they have done well with the series "Elementary." No uncanonical romances, Watson has a life and friends outside of Holmes, many of the stories are interesting. However, there is a fairly low limit to the number of stories they can tell with this format, so I would expect something more to change.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Hobbituk » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:26 am

I think it's fair to say that the BBC have managed to maintain the high quality of Sherlock with last night's new episode.


Cos it was ABSOLUTELY BLOOMIN BRILLIANT.
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Minardil » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:47 am

I hadn't watched much of either "Sherlock" or "Elementary" before this weekend. I was off work for New Years, and decided to watch a couple episodes of each series (available On Demand or through my Amazon Prime membership). Anyway, I saw the first three episodes of "Elementary", and the first two of "Sherlock". Wow! I loved both shows, but the BBC's "Sherlock" was far more Sherlockier, if you know what I mean. I like the chemistry between Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu on "Elementary", and the show is an excellent detective "procedural" (if I'm using the term correctly), but the Sherlock in "Elementary" doesn't "feel" like Sherlock Holmes from Doyle's stories. The BBC version does a much better job of capturing the essence of the "real" Sherlock Holmes.

I mean, if you changed the names of the characters in "Elementary", the show would still be fun to watch, but no one in the audience would be sitting there thinking "This TV detective reminds me of Sherlock Holmes", but if you changed the names on "Sherlock", everyone watching would be thinking "Those two are supposed to be Holmes and Watson. It's so elementary. . . . . "
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Re: BBC's Sherlock

Postby Gungnir » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:05 am

Hobbituk wrote:I think it's fair to say that the BBC have managed to maintain the high quality of Sherlock with last night's new episode.


Cos it was ABSOLUTELY BLOOMIN BRILLIANT.


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