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Postby Glooskap » Sat Apr 14, 2001 6:42 pm

"Gormenghast" played on tv in Canada....sort of. It was AWFUL. The worst part was, it was totally unclear what they were trying to do. It ended up just a mess of weird characters and decaying sets...which impressed a few critics who didn't know the book or apparently the need for something resembling a functioning plot. The trailers were on constantly for two weeks, all showing people rolling their eyes insanely or running around screaming! <BR><BR>Forgive me, Steerpike. I thought you knew. Let me put it this way, with all personal courtesy: whenever you post a message, I get VERY bad flashbacks! Sorry!
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Postby 1OfThe9 » Tue Apr 17, 2001 6:47 pm

Two more Steven King adaptations: The Dead Zone (pretty cool) and Stand by me (fantastic.). Although I agree that there have been numerous instances of Kings big screen translations going awry, 'Thinner' et al. I'd like to see a new movie attempt at Dune, new effects technology would enable the awesome scale i.e. sandworms, to be better realized. <BR>
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Postby Beleg » Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:39 am

I think the key problem with David Lynch's 'Dune' was impatience. Granted that the film, even as abrupt as it was, runs over two hours. The situation is so altered and so alien that it required careful establishment and some buildup of what was the universe into which the Kwisatch Haderach was born. What we got were about 15 minutes of hopeless overacting from Jose Ferrer and Sian Phillips (two actors capable of far better, thus making the spectacle all the worse). I went in prepared to sit there for up to four hours (and paying extra if need be to permit the theatre to consume two showing times for the one flick). The experience was less than fulfilling, which seems pretty consistent with what others are saying. I do have the film and I do enjoy the bits that actually work. <BR><BR>This problem also affected Bakshi: there's just not enough there and the impatience to introduce the main characters meant that the scenery and situation were not developed. If you knew the backstory going in, you'd do better, but that's little consolation and contrary to film storytelling process.<BR><BR>As to Jesus being married (or else talked about behind His back), that's pure invention from general custom. John the Baptist wasn't married either, nor were the priests of the Essenes nor those at Qumran. It is true that Jewish priests and Levites were normally married, but so what? 'Last Temptation of Christ' wasn't just blasphemous, it was stupid and boring, thus false to the facts. I suppose I should read Kazantzakis' book, just to find out if the film simply conveyed the small-mindedness that was already there or if there really was an interesting speculation about Jesus' state of mind on the cross. I was in Athens a few years ago and looking for a t-shirt that had Greek script on it. The only one I could find was one with a Kazantzakis quote on it: "I fear nothing, I fear nobody, I am free." Pretty arrogant and I have very rarely worn the t-shirt because it is simply untrue and even sounds cringing (sort of like those 'No-Fear' appliques one sees on car windshields).
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Postby River_Daughter » Sun Apr 22, 2001 7:20 pm

Battlefield Earth (I laughed my ass when I watched this. Then I cried)<BR><BR>The Man in the Iron Mask (that bas**** DiCaprio ruined it)<BR><BR>Island of Dr. Moreau (creepy)<BR><BR>Lord of the Flies (creepier)
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Postby Almacundo/*Auirandos » Mon Apr 23, 2001 10:01 am

The belief that Jesus or John the Baptist were unmarried is not based on the Bible but on an argument ex silencio, which is impossible to prove or disprove. In such cases, general social custom and the attitude toward religious duty are better guides. Even the Essenes (and their identity with the Qumran sect is debatable)had a rule that no male member could undertake the watch for the Messiah (which was considered military duty--they expected to be his mortal army--and required abstension from sex) until after he had married and had children. Remember, marriage was not considered as an option by First Century Jews, but a positive duty in obedience to divine command! Celibacy was considered blasphemous and a practice of idolatrous pagans. Lack of children by infertility was regarded as a curse. Jesus' Jewish opponents could not and would not have ignored such an exceptional lifestyle in attempting to undermine his reputation. Recall that Kepha(and the other Apostles)were married. It isn't until the Church, East and West, under the influence of Hellenism, started moving to celibate priesthood that the concept of a celibate Christ became important or much discussed. That was a slowly adopted and accepted standard, even in the West. Even today only bishops must be celibate in the East. And these were the same people who refused to acknowlege that God Incarnate could evacuate bodily wastes like other incarnate humans! What happened to the food he consumed was a lively topic of debate alongside the number of angels that could stand on the tip of a pin.
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Postby vincent » Mon Apr 23, 2001 11:25 am

I seem to remember saul (later paul) being described as the perfect jew, well educated, from a respectable family, and intrusted with important matters from the priests. Perhaps marrige was considered a must, but the bible really doesnt give much prove to back that up, what are your sources for beliving marrige was mandatory?
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Postby vincent » Mon Apr 23, 2001 11:29 am

I reread that and it sounded a bit like an attack, and thats really not what i intended, one of us is mistaken, i'm just looking at what the bible itself seems to say, and i truely would be intrested in seeing your sources, please<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Almacundo/*Auirandos » Mon Apr 23, 2001 11:56 am

Believe it or not there is a book called "Was Jesus Married?" It is the source of most of my statements, but one I've seen confirmed elsewhere. The Talmud is one place to go. In one of his Letters, Paul seems to imply that he had some kind of sexual dysfunction and elsewhere claims that Jesus was like him in this regard. Then you have a kind of circular argument in which Paul had to be celibate(because of inability) and therefore so was Jesus then therefore because we all "know" that Jesus was celibate(ex silencio), Paul must have been, too! Yechh! Others claim that the whole thing is really about Paul's being a widower(with the possibility that so was Jesus). Again, this kind of exceptionalism on the part of Paul, an ex-Pharisee, would have been irresistable to opponents.
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Postby Almacundo/*Auirandos » Mon Apr 23, 2001 11:57 am

Believe it or not there is a book called "Was Jesus Married?" It is the source of most of my statements, but one I've seen confirmed elsewhere. The Talmud is one place to go. In one of his Letters, Paul seems to imply that he had some kind of sexual dysfunction and elsewhere claims that Jesus was like him in this regard. Then you have a kind of circular argument in which Paul had to be celibate(because of inability) and therefore so was Jesus then therefore because we all "know" that Jesus was celibate(ex silencio), Paul must have been, too! Yechh! Others claim that the whole thing is really about Paul's being a widower(with the possibility that so was Jesus). Again, this kind of exceptionalism on the part of Paul, an ex-Pharisee, would have been irresistable to opponents.
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Postby Almacundo/*Auirandos » Mon Apr 23, 2001 12:54 pm

Record 2 of 2<BR>Author Phipps, William E., 1930- <BR>Title Was Jesus married? : the distortion of sexuality in the Christian tradition / William E. Phipps. <BR>Publish info Lanham, MD : University Press of America, c1986. <BR><BR> <BR>HOLDINGS FOR OhioLINK CENTRAL DATABASE<BR><BR>REQUEST THIS ITEM <BR>Back to topAshland U <BR> <BR>Location Call No. Status <BR>SEM Circ SD 60 P558w 1986 AVAILABLE <BR> <BR> <BR><BR>Descript'n vii, 239 p. <BR>Note Includes indexes. <BR>Subjects Jesus Christ. <BR> Paul, the Apostle, Saint. <BR> Sex -- Religious aspects -- Christianity -- History of doctrines. <BR>LC NO BT708 .P47 1986 <BR>Dewey no 261.8/357 <BR>LC NO SEM SD 60 P558w 1986 <BR>OCLC # 13063909 <BR>Isn/std # 13063909 <BR> 13063909 <BR>LCCN 85032319 <BR> <BR><BR>
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Postby vincent » Mon Apr 23, 2001 5:47 pm

thanks i'll look for it.<BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby River_Daughter » Mon Apr 23, 2001 7:22 pm

Oh, and I'm gonna add another one. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Disney version). It didn't go at all with the book. Of course, with Disney, they never go by the book.
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Postby Melkor » Thu Apr 26, 2001 12:33 pm

I disagree Sauron's Nagging Wife. The Sci-Fe miniseries of DUNE was perhaps visually stunning but the performances were awful. The David Lynch version, was much better. But you must consider it a separate piece from the book. It looked great and the acting was top notch. Notice I didn't mention what he did with the story. I understand you must alter and adapt for film but Lynch's DUNE was literally nothing like the book. If impatience was the case then it was on the part of the studio, not David Lynch (who, if you'll recall, had his name removed from the film because the final cut went to Universal).<BR><BR>I enjoyed many of Michael Crichton's movies. The Andromeda Strain was a good film. Coma was pretty good too. And Runaway, which was kind of cheesy, was still entertaining.<BR><BR>I think Battlefield Earth is the epitome of what this post is about.<BR><BR>The Shining was great, not quite like the book but great nonetheless. Also by Stephen King; Stand By Me (based on The Body) and Silver Bullet.<BR><BR>This is a touchy subject, anyway.<BR><BR>The Unbearable Lightness of Being was not such a great film although the book was wonderful.<BR><BR>
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