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Postby Neithan » Fri Jul 14, 2000 10:55 pm

I have just returned from the X-men movie, although which left one wanting just a little bit more, it was for the most part descent. However I did pay particular attention to our beloved Gandalf, and how he acts. Let it be said here and now that we should not worry about his acting ability, the way he presents himself on screen is of someone who is powerful confident and in control. He does this all the while speaking quite eligent with a very convincing voice. Dont worry fellow Ring wraiths, it would seem that at the very least Gandalf will be portrayed by a more than compitent actor.
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Postby AncalagonTheBlack » Fri Jul 14, 2000 11:15 pm

Thank you for your report, Neithan. It's always a welcome relief when someone has good news to report.<BR><BR>I haven't seen X-Men yet myself (can anyone recommend a good babysitter?), but every review I've read -- whether from fans or professional movie reviewers -- has had nothing but praise for Sir Ian.
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Postby Nienna » Sat Jul 15, 2000 5:49 am

Oh, the can't-go-out-without-a-babysitter years - I remember those....<BR><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> It gets better. It also gets scary. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>We saw XMen last night (dragged my husband kicking and screaming) and we both enjoyed it - and, yes, McKellan was wonderful. If you close your eyes and just listen to his voice, he IS Gandalf. Patrick Stewart was terrific as well. The plot is pretty light-weight, but the special effects are good. Worth a try.
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Postby Neithan » Sat Jul 15, 2000 7:28 am

The Baby sister years? I could not even imagine those years! I myself am of the age of 23 only. So basicly I pretty much do what I please fill up my life with events and occurances which are only applicable to me. So one could say that I am in the "selfish" mode of ones exsisance. But I agree with Nienna though, the plot was light hearted, but there is something about Ian's voice that just seperates him, and makes the image of him as Gandalf, a truely wonderful one.
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Postby Altariel » Sat Jul 15, 2000 8:12 am

Shucks !!<BR>We saw X-Men last night, but I didn't realize at the time that Ian is cast as Gandalf (I suppose I should've come to the Movies forum sooner.) I would've paid more attention to his acting, I'm glad to hear that you both approved of his abilities.
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Postby *Arwen* » Sat Jul 15, 2000 8:19 am

Hehe. I'm going tomorrow, and I just read about Ian. I'll make sure to look out for him.
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Postby Neithan » Sat Jul 15, 2000 9:21 am

Altariel, I just cant imagine the size of the rock in which you have been under! Oh well at least you know now. Arwen seems to have the value of hindsight before the event even occurs, now that is a blessing.
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Postby Prankster » Sat Jul 15, 2000 4:37 pm

X-Men is very good, definately tied with Gladiator for the best "event" movie of the summer. Works on a level very similar to The Matrix (though it's not quite as good) in that it unites pop culture juvenile "coolness" and high-minded philosophical allegory in a rather daring way. It takes this world that's outwardly kinda chessy and fills it in with emotional depth and realism. And yes, McKellen was very good, as he always is...what a voice! Saruman's not the only one who'll have a commanding tone.<BR><BR>The thing I found interesting was how closely what they did to adapt the story of X-Men comes to the kind of debates we have about LOTR. Singer kept a LOT of details and aspects of the characters intact, even when he didn't really need to. Wolverine is still Canadian. Storm's eyes still turn white when she uses her powers. Magneto still wears a helmet. LOTS of supporting characters pop up unobtrusively. And the relationships are almost unchanged, especially the Jean Grey, Wolvie and Cyclops triangle. At the same time, characters' origins sometimes go unmentioned--"clean lifts"!--and the chronology is screwed up. Plus the plot is more or less an original one that doesn't appear in the comics to my knowledge.<BR><BR>Naturally, the plot of X-Men is more convoluted, and less sacrosanct, than that of LOTR. But I couldn't help thinking as I watched these characters who I only knew vaguely come to life on the screen, how COOL it is when it's done successfully...and how exponentially cooler it will be to see the same thing happens to the LOTR characters. I think I'm kinda giddy with possibilities, but let me tell you, right now if I could get Gandalf and Bilbo and Galadriel captured on screen this well I'd forgive Liv leading a horde of jellybean warriors into battle, with a cameo appearance by Mel GIbson shouting, "FREEDOM!!!!"
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Postby AncalagonTheBlack » Sat Jul 15, 2000 5:04 pm

Nienna, with the youthful fire you convey so well in your postings, it is difficult for me to imagine you being old enough to have children beyond the babysitting age!<BR><BR>Prankster, you bring up (as always) an interesting point. Many Purists are perplexed at how PJ can be so faithful in some ways (like Gandalf riding bareback) yet can make "sweeping" storyline changes. Yet I think this is true of a lot of film-makers. James Cameron was very meticulous about re-creating the minutia of the Titanic's voyage, but instead of creating a documentary, he wrote a totally fabricated love story.
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Postby HELM'S DEEP » Sat Jul 15, 2000 6:11 pm

Was it any accident what colour he was wearing right at the end of the movie?
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Postby Neithan » Sat Jul 15, 2000 6:21 pm

ahh with Elvish eyes you do see! Helms deep,I thought the ending with the chess match and the scene with him coming out of the building were by far the most dramatic. In the end I suppose we see Magneto the White!
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Postby Hama » Mon Jul 17, 2000 12:53 am

Can I just say to people to mark their posts with the word 'SPOILER' so that us less fortunate individuals who have not yet seen the film will not inadvertently read plot details. Thank you.<BR><BR>Hama.
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Postby Thorondor » Mon Jul 17, 2000 5:01 pm

<b>Hama</b>, with all due respect, wouldn't it be more efficient for you to simply not view a thread about the movie until you've seen it?
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Postby Neithan » Mon Jul 17, 2000 6:16 pm

Thank you Thorondor! I sometimes refrain from stating the overly obvious, however I do not think there is anything contained within this thread that reveals the plot or the story line in any sufficient detail. I do welcome the support though.
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Postby KillerNapalm » Mon Jul 17, 2000 8:14 pm

Who was Ian acting as in X-men...I didn't didn't even notice....hmmm hit me.
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Postby Neithan » Mon Jul 17, 2000 9:19 pm

Ummm this is to napalm, he plays Magneto, welcome to the board by the way!
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Postby AncalagonTheBlack » Mon Jul 17, 2000 10:49 pm

Ian McKellen's website now has his report on the X-Men premiere in New York:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/xmen/000717.htm">http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/xmen/000717.htm</a>
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Postby Hama » Tue Jul 18, 2000 12:32 am

Until I read the thread I have <b>NO IDEA</b> what it is about! The title of the thread suggests an analysis of Sir Ian's performance, not plot details of a film I, and others, haven't yet seen. They put up spoiler warnings as a common courtesy on other sites, I merely requested the same here.<BR><BR>Hama.<BR>
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Postby Blackeagle » Tue Jul 18, 2000 1:10 am

The nature of these messageboards seems to make spoiler warnings a bit problematic. <BR><BR>First off, diversions like this thread aside, we are mainly discussing books which have been in print for decades. Spoiler warnings are not foremost in our minds.<BR><BR>Second, what sort of spoiler warnings would work well? The limited pseudo-HTML commands available for these messages does not allow us to go 'invisible text, swipe to read' route used by many sites. Leaving a screen of spoiler space is difficult because you would have to leave space both above and below our message lest the spoiler averse accidentally see the spoiler text while trying to read the next (non-spoiler message) in the thread. A spoiler warning could be included in the title of the thread, but what if a later reply to a non-spoilered thread includes spoiler material. That leaves us with the poor option of just putting 'SPOILER' in the first line of the message, followed immeaditely by the spoiler content.<BR><BR>Blackeagle<BR>
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Postby Hama » Tue Jul 18, 2000 2:06 am

I think that would work fine. As soon as I see the word "Spoiler" in the context of a film I haven't as yet seen, I immediately leave the thread.<BR><BR>And on a more general point. Coming, as I do, from this backwater smudge of land just off the west coast of Europe, you know the place, it's called the British Isles, we just don't get these films as quickly as others seem to do. Admittedly we are not as technologically advanced as many of our neighbours, we have only just mastered the wheel after all, but it would seem that sometimes we get forgotten when all these new films come out. I think it is only when someone inadvertently crashes into the rockier parts of our shoreline, scratching their heads and asking 'Where the devil did that come from?' and then consulting their navigation charts and soundlessly mouthing the word 'Ohh!' when they see the legend 'Ye olde worlde - Ye British Isles - Ye Land of Ye Scots - Ye Land of Ye Welsh - Ye Land of Ye Irish - Ye Land of Ye English!', that we get noticed at all. Far be it from me to tell the great and the good of Hollywood how to manage the distribution of their glittering product, a product that is probably far to good for the likes of us cave dwellers over here, but one does occasionally feel left out. As I sit here on my rock, skinning small furry animals and occasionally grunting at my family, I sometimes ponder what it all means. Why is it that films, and be aware that I am only conscious of the concept of 'film' in the most visceral sense, take ages to filter around this globe of ours (and also be aware that up until my thirty fifth birthday I still believed the world to be flat, and that I only know it was my thirty fifth birthday because someone was kind enough to cut off my head and count the rings). It has ever been a mystery to me, not understanding things like profit maximisation, distribution deals and the like. For I am a simple soul, who just likes to hand in his hard earned bone counters and sit in the clearing watching the pretty moving lights. I should be grateful, I suppose, that the films make it here at all, but as they say, we are a discontented breed. (As well as being a forgotten one).<BR><BR>OK, so I am feeling rantish. Just occasionally one needs to beat the drum a bit. (It's the only way to keep in contact with our neighbours on the other side of the valley.) <BR><BR>Hama, one of the many forgotten souls who does not live in Heaven, I mean Hollywood. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby Thorondor » Fri Jul 21, 2000 7:42 pm

No problem <b>Neithan</b>.<BR><BR><b>Hama</b> and <b>Blackeagle</b>, you make interesting observations, but you seem to miss the common sense of it all. The fact remains that though the title of the thread may have been about McKellen's performance, common sense dictates that various elements of the movie could possibly be revealed. (McKellen's performance is an example of an element). The entire notion that people should put "SPOILER" and "Warning", etc. is rather flawed because then the purpose and value of news and information would be compromised. With knowledge comes surprises. If there are no surprises, then nothing is gained. No offense <b>Hama</b>; just a little food for thought.<BR><BR>Also, let me point out that, having seen the movie, there is nothing in this thread that will spoil it for you. I promise. Personally, I read up on the plot of the movie, as well as many reviews before seeing it (because the "suck-potential" was incredibly high). Yet I was still both plesantly surprised and satisfied. It's a good movie.<BR><BR>Anyways, you must understand that people cannot be weary of what you do not know. You may not know that I am 17 years old. Should I therefor write "SPOILER" if I am about to write my age? And surely if I start a thread about "The Averge Age of Posters at TORC" you would not complain about finding out a certain person's age which you did not wish to know; would you?<BR><BR>I can understand your point if someone outright spells out the plot in a post. In that case, "SPOILER" would be polite. But just a few vague comments, or a thread referring to an element of the movie (such as this one) should not be required to have a "SPOILER" message attached in any way. It is simply unneccessary. <BR><BR>By the way, <b>Hama</b>, the British Isles may not be perfect, but there are worse places to live. Personally, I can't wait to get away from the U.S.A. I guess it all depends on what you value. My country has lost most of the things I value, thus I do not desire to live here quite as much as one might expect, despite all of the enticing comfort.<BR><BR>
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Postby Neithan » Fri Jul 21, 2000 11:42 pm

Thorondor, you are well spoken for a seventeen yearold. Yet why is it that you desire to get away from your country so much and if so where would you go? For all countries just by being a politcal entity are then subject to scrunity for losing sight of morals and beliefs. That is the nature of politics. Who would have ever thought Thorondor would be a proto typical young idealist. Nothing wrong with that though, more to the point everything right with that actually. I for one am Canadian, and there fore after the last South Park movie, we really dont like you guys anymore. No offence eh? Just kidding.<BR><BR>
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Postby DrStrangelove » Sat Jul 22, 2000 6:50 am

Is applying a "spoiler" warning THAT difficult?<BR>
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Postby Neithan » Sat Jul 22, 2000 8:54 am

Is it THAT necessary? I mean there is nothing within this thread that gives away any of the plot. Not in any of posts did I mention anything that would destroy the enjoyment of the film. I am not responsiable for what others say or post and have no way in telling if they will divulge any sensitive information. I mean the plot can be given away in any other thread at any other time simply by it coming in common conversation. So then every thread would have to be entitled spoiler for that matter. It would just more common sense to stay away from anything that discussed the movie.
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Postby DrStrangelove » Sat Jul 22, 2000 9:28 am

QUOTE<BR>Is it THAT necessary? <BR>UNQUOTE<BR><BR><BR>It would be nice.
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Postby Neithan » Sat Jul 22, 2000 10:30 am

Laughing, I am sorry I do not mean for my words to sound spitefull. But as Einstein said "I hate quotations"
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Postby Beleg » Sat Jul 22, 2000 10:48 am

<i>chuckles</i><BR><BR>Well, from what I see, the spoilers here aren't as in-depth as one can get from fanzines on magazine racks, so perhaps it's a bit over the top to complain. Still, it would be courteous to indicate that spoilers will be provided, for those who want to avoid any preconception on going in.<BR><BR>And courtesy is always in season, IMHO. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Thorondor » Sat Jul 22, 2000 11:43 am

Thanks <b>Neithan</b>.<BR><BR>But I am not quite sure if I would call myself a "typical" idealist per se. Certainly, I am an idealist of a sort. But I do always put aside practical considerations for the sake of ideals. But I really do not feel like delving into some deep philosophical discussion. So, at any rate, I am not sure where I would want to live. I have thought much of Ireland, as well as New Zealand. But I think first I ought to travel to these places. We shall see someday.<BR><BR><b>Dr. StrangeL</b>, this issue is not about the level of difficulty. It is about the level of necessity.
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Postby Treagol » Sun Jul 23, 2000 10:20 pm

***SPOILER***<BR><BR><BR><BR>The X-men win and Magneto loses.
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Postby Neithan » Mon Jul 24, 2000 5:55 am

There we have fianlly caved in!
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