Not anticipating Star Wars: Episode II

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Postby unicorn » Sun Jul 01, 2001 9:42 pm

<BR><BR>I personally don't think it's comparable. They are different genres really, fantasy and SciFi. To be honest LOTR will be better. It has to be.
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Postby crispycreme » Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:56 pm

llyr_ap_cenydd ,<BR><BR>Well put! I like the way you wrapped up our treasure into a neat package! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Again, I am not in any way knocking one of the worlds most beloved movie series (the heck with the 'movie series', it's a genuine culture!). But I had already read LOTR 5 times when I first gasped in amazement at the 1977 Episode IV. Star Wars was, I suppose, a sort of foster parent for me since I KNEW I'd never see my beloved stories filmed. So I embraced SW with a passion! When Bakshi's version came out a few years later, who could compare that to STAR WARS?!?! I was SOO let down! (I understand Bakshi's motives and his hinderances, I won't go into them here) I recovered from my stress and kept re-reading my favorite books, once a year, occasionally dipping into the Sil and U.T. I had NO hope of ever seeing my dream realized! It was too awkward! It was too difficult! It was too long! It was too anachronistic! I had resigned and accepted it all...<BR><BR>HAH!!!!!<BR><BR>ARE YOU KIDDING ME???<BR><BR>LESS THEN SIX MONTHS AWAY!!!<BR><BR>THERE IS A GOD IN HEAVEN AND HE'S A FAN TOO!!!!!<BR><BR><BR>(whew! Ok, I'm done...)<BR><BR>
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Postby dudalb » Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:09 pm

We all already seeing the Star Wars fans beginning to attack FOTR. They still have not gotten over fact that Titanic beat Star Wars at the box office and TPM did not come close to beating Titanic. As for the Phantom Menace you got two weak love stories, a incredibly annonying CGI creature who got too much screen time, an major action sequence that was swiped shot for shot from "Ben Hur" and was not one tenth as good as the chariot race, and a mediocre performance by the actor playing Anakin. The irony on the Phantom Edit is that none of TPM major flaws are going to be corrected by a little dubbing and cutting. they are inherent in the script.<BR>My own position on the Edit is that if someone wants to do that totheir own copy of TPM that is their own business, but when they start distributing it on a mass basis, that is a clear infringement of Lucas's copyright rights, and it does not matter if TPM Is a masterpiece or a piece of S)*(! Lucas has the right to control the distrubution of his work as he see fits. Many Star wars fans, sadly, are living out the stereotype they have in Sci Fi fandom as whole as being a bunch of crybabies...
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Postby GothmogII » Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:18 pm

Huh, I may have messed up an earlier post. Anyhow, my main point here is to back up Crispycreme's point about the AICN poll, in fact go here:<BR><a target=new href="http://www.aintitcool.com/results.cgi">http://www.aintitcool.com/results.cgi</a><BR><BR>and you'll see something like the following:<BR><BR>Question: Which of these are you most excited about seeing?<BR><BR><BR>Option Votes  <BR>THE LORD OF THE RINGS Trilogy 6204 52.6\%<BR> STAR WARS EPISODES: 2 & 3 3480 29.5\%<BR> MATRIX 2 & 3 2109 17.9\%<BR><BR>---Well, well, well, imagine that?<BR> <BR>
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Postby crispycreme » Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:57 pm

Thank you, Goth, for digging out the actual numbers. I (as have already stated) avoid AICN as much as possible. It's not that I have an issue with the TB'ers, it's that the whole setup of the web site is so MESSED UP! I hate digging around in there! But yeah, that's about the ratio of votes that I saw when I took a peek the other day. Glad to see it's still holding up!<BR><BR>Now, the obvious response by a non-LOTR fan would be, "well, FOTR is coming out in December. E2 comes out next June. Of course the interest is in the more imminent film!"<BR><BR>Well, I buy that, to an extent. Upcoming films always tend to excite the masses more then ones out in a grey haze somewhere. However, besides the hard core fan boy doods, I really don't see the ANTICIPATION for E2 that we witnessed for TPM (Now, I have to be careful, since many out there would classify US as 'hard core fan boy doods'). Lucas has the opportunity to regenerate that base with a great film come June, but if J.J.B. is in it, I just don't know. He raked in his bazillions with TPM, what does he care any more about quality?<BR><BR>One key difference with LOTR is that PJ has already directed and shot all three films. He can't 'cater' to a particular crowd to suit his 'whim' on what 'demographic' he wants to appeal to when the third movie comes around. These movies will have consistency, balance, and recognizability (much like the first two SW flicks) that will endear and commit 'the masses'. There won't be any of the 'well, what type of movie did he make THIS time?'. The only comparison I can think of is the two Musketeer movies of the 1970s. They flowed seamlessly from one to the other. You ALWAYS rent the two together. It's ONE movie for crying out loud!<BR><BR>Folks, I don't know how to express this appropriately (especially since I've tipped a few!!), but, I don't think Sir Iam Holms was too far off in his (now famous) quote about how LOTR will stand up to SW. The ingredients are in place. We've seen excruciatingly small snippets to almost universal praise. The press has been overwhelmed. The MONEY!! has been spent. The gods are smiling down. The Professor can (hopefully!) finally rest easy knowning that his life's work will be shown to an ENTIRELY new audience, and the respect for his efforts will live yet another generation!<BR><BR>(Ok, I'd better stop with this ale thingy...)
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Postby soundandfury » Mon Jul 02, 2001 12:26 am

Yep, I've seen the AICN "what are you most looking foward to" thing, but i immediately discounted it as the astoundingly LOTR biased Harry K no doubt fudges the figures. <BR><BR>BTW i made a mistake, it wasn't AICN boards it was Coming Atrractions boards.<BR><BR>The Matrix 2/3 less anticipated than SW/LOTR - yer right pull the other one. C'mon the Matrix was revolutionary - these figures are so, er messed up.<BR><BR>BTW, as i said before Star Wars isn't the film series LOTR fans should worry about. It's Harry Potter and his hundreds of millions of 7 year old fans & their parents & all those sad 20/30 somethings who pass the books as of as modern literary masterpieces.<BR><BR>I want FOTR to blow HP to another dimension but i know the weight of modern, 2001, in the moment popular culture won't let it happen. <BR><BR>The media will do te LOTR vs HP thing - both books based on books - who will emerge box office victor etc. Whoever winds up the loser will be discounted, unfort this is likely to be FOTR by a wide margin.<BR><BR>You just can't compete with a cultural zeigeist like the HP streamtrain.<BR><BR>Again, i want FOTR to be a 300 mil hit but i'm a realist - 150-210 miltops.
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Postby Túor » Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:37 am

I will go to see the Star Wars film, but after Episode 1, I am not expecting as much. Star Wars 4,5,6 were adventourus and new as a movie type, but episode 1 was just a gimmick to attract lots of viewers. Too bad. I'm just hoping that FOTR and the rest don't have the same fate as episode 1, I really do.
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Postby Hama » Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:56 am

Leonides said:<BR><BR><i>Seriously, George Lucas is one of the worst character directors that's still making movies. He should stick to droids and X-Wings, give the characters to somebody else -- somebody with TALENT. Then again, he's way too arrogant to do something smart like that.</i><BR><BR>George Lucas? Arrogant? LOL! Having never met the man, I can't say, but he is filming his own stuff, and telling his own story the way he wants it to be. Rather like Tolkien. That doesn't sound arrogant to me. And it obviously works. The critics may have panned the film, the expectations from some of the fan base may have been set too high, but lets face it, for an enjoyable romp it pulled in the pennies. But not if you listen to a certain voluble section of the on line community. When TPM first came out, you might have been mistaken for thinking George Lucas was an arrogant director who was raping the text of the original Star Wars.<BR><BR>This comparison is meaningless. You are allowed to enjoy both films, I'm sure.<BR><BR>Hama.<BR><BR>
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Postby akallabeth » Mon Jul 02, 2001 7:01 am

<i>Yep, I've seen the AICN "what are you most looking foward to" thing, but iimmediately discounted it as the astoundingly LOTR biased Harry K no doubt fudges the figures. </i><BR><BR>Oh, come on! That's pathetic. If reality is unpleasnt, well change it! Unfortuenately, as you even mention, LOTRs has shot down other films in other polls as well. The reason: there are a lot of people crawling out of the woodwork for this film, people who never post to AICN or other boards, many 30s to 60s people, some young, for whom LOTRs is a far far deeper work than SW's could ever hope to be. These are the people that made LOTRs consistently the most highly rated book in general polls. <BR><BR>The film may suck. It may be a classic. But one thing is certain, LOTRs has a culture base SW does not nor will ever have. These polls are a superficial reflection of that. <BR><BR>Sorry you don't like it, but face reality.<BR><BR><BR><i>The Matrix 2/3 less anticipated than SW/LOTR - yer right pull the other one. C'monthe Matrix was revolutionary - these figures are so, er messed up.</i><BR><BR>The Matrix is a revolutionary film only is a limited techical sense. THe ideas are old (even in film, see Dark City), and certainly in SCi-Fi literature (do people READ anymore?). The acting was fairly flat overall, the characters 2-D. The effects, mainly the issue of decoupling time and space with the so-called bullet time, is the only revolutionary thing about it. And that WAS cool! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I loved the Matrix. Its a great action film and a very mild head stimulant. But LOTRs, or any classic and deep work, touches more people and for longer than these "here today gone tomorrow" action flicks like the Matrix. Many people who anticipate LOTRs HATE films like The Matrix. They want to see Jackson's attempt to bring a story to screen that actually means something a bit more important to them. If he does it well, so that those important things get translated to screen, very little can compete with it. Certainly no other book has. The question is whether Tolkien's genius and heart will make it to the theatre.<BR><BR>a.
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Postby Gandalf'sMother » Mon Jul 02, 2001 7:16 am

<i>I think The Lord of the Rings will make StarWars look like a weekend in the lavatory.</i><BR><BR>That was quoted from Ian Holm. <BR><BR>-Mother Maiar
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Postby VikingQueen » Mon Jul 02, 2001 12:03 pm

Star Wars P.M had a huge shadow looming over its' release. I think that was part of the problem for the Phantom Menace.<BR><BR>Lord of the Rings could be the same - but the true test will not be the FOTR. I think that will be a blockbuster because of the hype. But if the first movie does not compel and astound the audience, the numbers of the TT will let us know. <BR><BR>The Empire Strikes Back had larger numbers than Star Wars. Why? Because Star Wars did what it set out to do. We can only hope FOTR does the same.
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Postby finarfin » Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:34 pm

Harry Potter vs. LOTR?<BR><BR>Let me put it another way:<BR><BR>Chris Columbus vs. Peter Jackson<BR><BR>The critical media will salivate over LOTR's mature themes vs. Potter. This I can gaurantee!
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Postby dudalb » Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:57 pm

How anybody can take AICN seriously I don't understand. It's fun to go there a laugh at the stupidity and illiteracy of the Talkback sections, and occasionally some Studio publicity agent will toss Harry a occasonal interesting item, but other than that the site is worthless. Too many rumors are posted as news without warning that they are rumors, Harry has done too many 180\% turns at movies, going from it is going to suck to it rules after getting a junket to a screening with lots of goodies for Harry,and just too much nonsense for that page to be taken seriously as a source of film news. THere are better sites out there, and they do not cater to the Lowest Common Denominator of Fandom the way Harry does.<BR>Finafar has summed up my problem with the Harry Potter movie in one sentance: I am worried that Chris Columbus is the wrong director for it. I loved the Potter books, think they are better then 99\% of the "adult" fantasy out there, I like the casting in the film, but the ghost of Columbus haunts int he background. What a mess he made of Isacc Asimov's "The Bicentenial Man".
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Postby Ringgamer » Mon Jul 02, 2001 3:40 pm

Thank you Hama, well said. Can I hug you?<BR><BR>For all the sound and the fury, I think soundandfury had a point deep down below. TPM detractors are a vocal minority. VERY vocal. And I think it all had to do with the hype. I can see it happening with myself. I knew NOTHING going into TPM and I adored it. 21 times in the theatre and who knows how many more of my widescreen VHS (c'mon DVD!). It refueled my dormant SW fandomism. I decided to go media blackout on E2 so that I can be enchanted all over again.<BR><BR>By contrast, I'm indulging in all spoilers and hype for LOTR, and I'm already jaded six months before the release. I don't really care about FOTR anymore. I'll see it, but it's lost the magic. As far as moneymaking, it doesn't matter how certain segments of fandom react to it - despite the lovers and haters, TPM made a LOT of money. Despite the purists and revisionists, LOTR may make a lot of money too. Sometimes, it's not about how "good" it is because "good" is in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes there is something universally crappy that we all can agree on, but I doubt that SW or LOTR or even Harry Potter are going to fall in that category. Some will adore every minute of every film, some will cry foul and snipe at those who dare to show their love for the films.<BR><BR>Just don't be surprised on December 19th if "The following preview is approved for all audiences" is immediately followed by the Lucasfilm logo.
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Postby soundandfury » Mon Jul 02, 2001 4:51 pm

Hey maybe LOTR won't have to worry about Harry Potter. on <a target=new href="http://www.showbizdata.com">http://www.showbizdata.com</a> they are reporting 350,000 downloads of the second preview even though it has a huge download time.<BR><BR>In my fury i hope i haven't given the impression i WANT HP to hurt LOTR. As i said before, i hope that HP is flattened by FOTR at the Box Office.
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Postby Bernd » Mon Jul 02, 2001 4:54 pm

I guess I'll be the first to say it:<BR><BR>HP and LOTR are being released by the same corporation, AOL Time Warner. It is not in the company's best interest to sabotage either project.<BR><BR>
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Postby Xhen » Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:16 pm

As someone who has never read any of the Harry Potter books I really didn't find the latest trailer very compelling. It looked far too Disneyish for my tastes and I really didn't get much indication of what it's about other than Harry goes to some kind of wizard school and...stuff happens there. <BR><BR>While TPM was the weakest of the Star Wars franchise it wasn't a terrible movie by any means. It was definitely flawed and Jar Jar Binks was incredibly annoying but I think it successfully laid down the foundation for what could be a potentially good Episode 2.
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Postby davidm » Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:42 pm

Hey, Star Wars and LOTR fans!<BR><BR>I think its about time to put everything into perspective and reprint Whistler's "Filmarillion":<BR><BR>*******<BR><BR>Great were the wonders of the Golden Age!<BR><BR>For the people, in those days, purchased for themselves Seeing-Boxes, filled with light; and from within that light the Wise Ones spake unto them, and gave them counsel. And Uncle Miltie spake; and Lucy, who is called the Red-Haired, and also Amos and Andy, who are called the Politically Incorrect and are named now only in the whispers of the Ancient Ones.<BR><BR>And that age passed; and the people settled for a while in the Land of Mayberry, and they said unto themselves, 'Shall not another Wise One come? For wherewith now shall we be entertained?' And some of them departed unto Beverly Hills, and joined themselves to the tribe that is called the Hillbillies; and some came unto the House of Samantha, who is called the Nose-Twitcher, and there waited.<BR><BR>And in that time, as if in answer to the cry of the people, came Roddenberry, son of Roddenberry. And from the mind and will of Roddenberry sprang forth the Federation, and the Federation of Roddenberry begat the Trekkies, who are called among themselves the Trekkers, and among others the Geeks. And the people were glad of the Federation, and of its heroes. And among these were Spock, the Almost-Elven, and Kirk the Overdone, from whom sprang Picard of the Shining Head, and likewise the valiant ones of sundry spinoffs.<BR><BR>Yet in time the Federation spake no more from the Seeing-Boxes, for the people grew restless and looked instead to the greater lights that shone within the multiplexes. And the Federation was made manifest, after a time, in the multiplexes; and the people were glad.<BR><BR>After a time Roddenberry traveled, as is the fate of Men, the Road of No Returning; but, lo! The Federation died not, but continued for a time beyond his passing, though many of its sons grew vast in girth and purchased, in the time of their fading, toupees of great worth.<BR><BR>And in these days came Lucas, who is called the Almost-Spielberg. And Lucas said unto himself, 'Truly hath Roddenberry gone where no man hath gone before; yet a greater thing shall I bring forth than that which was wrought by Roddenberry; and with it shall I make the Megabucks; and all shall tremble when the Megabucks are made.'<BR><BR>And Lucas brought forth the Force, and truly made the Megabucks; and Lucas brought the Megabucks unto the Film Executives, and they worshipped them and said, 'Truly art thou king, for the Megabucks art brought forth by thee.' And Lucas brought forth Happy Meals, and plastic action figures, and other wondrous treasures, and offered them unto the Children of the Force, and all were content, and the Megabucks grew greater.<BR><BR>Then did the Trekkies make war upon the Children of the Force; but after a time they said among themselves, 'Why war we thus? Truly, some are of the Federation, and others of the Force; yet are we not all Geeks?' And so they ceased to war, and the numbers of the Geeks were doubled, and they filled all the land.<BR><BR>Others then said unto themselves, 'Are the Megabucks for Lucas alone?' and they sought for themselves the Megabucks. Among these was Lynch, who is called Creepy, Even By Hollywood Standards. And Lynch brought forth Dune, and perished in the making of it; and the Megabucks came not unto him, and Dune was left to wither and decay upon the shelves of the Temple of Blockbuster. Likewise fell many other heroes.<BR><BR>And Lucas brought forth the Force again, and yet again, and yet again; and still the Megabucks came unto him. And Lucas said, 'Forever shall the Megabucks be mine; and if the people like not Jar Jar Binks, then shall I weep all the way to the bank.'<BR><BR>But some of the people said, 'Is there not a greater than the Force?' and in answer came Jackson, who is called the Townsend-Sacker. And Jackson said:<BR><BR>'A greater song have I than that of Roddenberry, or of Lucas. And if the Megabucks are brought unto me, then shall I bring forth that song from which the Force was partly sprung, and all shall marvel. And Lucas shall bow before me, and likewise Spielberg, who is called The One.'<BR><BR>Then were the Megabucks brought unto Jackson, and Jackson called unto himself many of renown to serve him. Among these were Liv of the Pouty Lips, and Viggo, who is called Should Have Been a Marx Brother; and also came Ian Of the Alternative Lifestyle, and John, who is called the Big Fat Guy.<BR><BR>And the people said, 'Truly Jackson maketh a good thing, or so it seemeth. And if he doeth well, then shall the Megabucks come unto him, and all shall praise him. But if he doeth ill, or bringeth forth the like of Dune, then shall we rend him asunder, and his house shall fall, and great will be the stench of its burning.'<BR><BR>So began the tale of which the ending is not known to the Sons of Men.<BR><BR>
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Postby akallabeth » Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:48 pm

For those of us late-comers to the White Council - dear God, what have we lost?<BR><BR>Whistler come back...<BR><BR><BR>a.
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Postby *Arwen* » Mon Jul 02, 2001 6:33 pm

Oh jeez<BR><BR>You guys can go on forever !<BR><BR>I personally agree that LOTR has some tough competition with HP. Although most older viewers and some 14 year olds (like myself) are passionate fans of the Rings, every day I hear a bit more about Harry Potter this, Harry Potter that. I work in a movie theatre where the LOTR poster is in a corner while HP is in center stage. We can be certain of a strong amount of hype, and that's what's going to draw in kids, parents, and curious elders and teens.<BR><BR>As for Star Wars, the second looks pretty good. Maybe George Lucas got tired of lighting cigars with 100 dollar bills and decided that now that a lot of the attention is elsewhere, he can make a half-decent film. Lets not forget that the last 2 SW movies which, in my opinion, were the best, were not directed by Lucas and maybe he should take that into consideration.<BR><BR>While most of my LOTR loving friends are doubtful, most of them have never been here <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> and are really doubting the quality. One refuses to see the film so he wont be disapointed. But I think that from what we've seen it should be enjoyable without all the hype and crowded theatres. <BR><BR>In my hopes to make a somewhat impressive remark I shall close by saying: Dont worry about it! If I can see LOTR for free any day of the week and I'm going to pay $12 Canadian just to see it on a screen about 2 ft. larger, they must be doing something right eh?
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Postby dudalb » Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:51 pm

Bernd is right; Both Potter and FOTR are being made and released by Time Warner companies. That FOTR opens over a month after Potter is not a coincidence.<BR>One factors for you non Yanks to remember is that Potter is opening in the US November 16th, just in time for the Thanksgiving Holiday. The idea is for Potter to dominate Thanksgiving, then have LOTR dominate Christmas. I would not be surprised if the final trailer for FOTR comes out with Harry Potter.<BR>Arwen: Because Potter is coming our a month before FOTR, naturally it is going to get a earlier Publcity build up then FOTR. I expect the publicity for FOTR to low key in November to allow Potter to have the lime light, then Time Warner/New Line will push FORT in the limelight shortly after Thanksgiving. I expect the big push to start shortly after Thanksgiving .Actually this works well with standard marketing: To start a big push for FOTR in Early November would peak it too soon and have the publicty reach the point of "I'm sick and tired of hearing about it" over exposure. SOme people have argued that TPM did not do what Lucasarts and 2oth Century Fox obviously expected it to do....top Titanic as the biggest money maker of all time....was because the film was hyped to the point where it begun to turn marignal customers off.<BR>
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Postby Aglar » Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:13 pm

i agree with illyr_ap_cenydd
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Postby DrStrangelove » Tue Jul 03, 2001 1:28 am

Harry Potter, Fellowship Of The Ring and Star Wars Episode II all have the potential to be excellent big fantasy films and dear me, there are precious few of those about to make the prospect of three that have the potential to be imaginative and entertaining quite an exciting one.<BR><BR>I want all three to be great films. If they are I hope they will make a lot of money.<BR><BR>I don't buy all this film vs film debate. People can see more than one film in a week. If the experience of Star Wars I shows that a big film tends to boost the box office of others in their wake - with much increased box office for Matrix, The Mummy and Austin Powers, all of which people worried would be buried by SW.<BR><BR>
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Postby Grimm » Tue Jul 03, 2001 10:31 am

I may be wrong here, but isn't Harry Potter geared more towards children and LOTR towards adults? where is the competition in that? Even if they weren't owned by the same company, they aren't even aimed at the same target audience, so I don't see what the discussion is about.<BR><BR>and as for Star Wars...ever notice how after Empire, his movies became more and more family oriented? For example, the Ewoks in the 3rd movie, then with the re-release of Star Wars Greedo fires first so that Han is acting out of self defence, then the musical number added to Jedi, then a small boy (and a horrible actor in that role) made to be the focus of TPM. <BR><BR>To me TPM looked like a big merchandising ad rather than a movie. I almost felt as tho they came up with all the toys and video games first and then tried to figure out how they would put them all into a movie. I half expected to see prices pop up on screen during some scenes. Some people put product placement of other people products in their movie...he put his OWN product placements. <BR><BR>All in all I was very disappointed in the movie as a whole but with a couple of bright spots, namely anything dealing strictly with the jedi.
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Postby Ringgamer » Tue Jul 03, 2001 5:13 pm

Very good point DrStrangelove (dang, I don't think I've ever said that before). It may be more expensive than ever to go to a movie these days, but I think the companies are kind of hoping that if they have the three-shot of HP, LOTR, and SW in the space of six months, they're going to draw a lot of seats into the seats for ALL movies, not just the blockbusters. Can't wait to see who's vying for trailer space on all of them...<BR><BR>Because of the strong fanbase and the crossover in fandoms, I do believe SW and LOTR will feed off each other and be very happy bedfellows for the next five or six years. As for the HP vs LOTR thing, there are actually quite a few adults reading HP. The movie will likely be geared more towards kids than LOTR will be, but the marketing for LOTR is said to be 13-plus. That's not all that much older than the HP audience - and I guarantee you not every adult in those theatres is going to be there chaperoning a munchkin. (I won't! Then again, I'm making sure to go to a 9pm or later showing on a weeknight when all the rugrats are in bed with school the next day)
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Postby crispycreme » Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:23 pm

Ringgamer, you're going to wait until school starts up again before seeing the movie? You're going to have to restrain for two to three weeks, if that's the case (unless you live somewhere that doesn't have a Christmas/Yule/Winter holiday).<BR><BR>
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Postby Aerin » Wed Jul 04, 2001 10:15 am

I personally can't abide Harry Potter - no offense, anyone, but I can't. My money's going for LOTR and EpiII.<BR><BR>As a great person once said, you can please some of the people all the time, and you can please all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time. (And of course you can always please none of the people all the time. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>) It's something to take into consideration here, I think.
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Postby Ringgamer » Wed Jul 04, 2001 9:15 pm

Yule? No, they don't do that in the States. Harry Potter is being released in November - schools won't be out until December. Colleges in mid-Dec, and the munchkins don't get anything until Christmas Eve. Poor suckers. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> So, there'll be plenty of weeknight 9 pm showings of HP for me to sneak into without worrying about the relative age range.
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Postby crispycreme » Wed Jul 04, 2001 9:22 pm

Oops, my mistake, Ringgamer. I misread your post. I thought you were referring to FOTR, not HP. <BR>
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Postby DarthFëanor » Thu Jul 05, 2001 8:22 am

as long as they don't shuff HP down my throath then they can do whatever they want...
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