Does it bother you when non-LOTR fans discuss it?

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Postby andurilwest » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:07 am

About the "Frodo as Christ figure" thing, Tolkien <i>himself</i> said it wasn't an allegory...
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Postby DARKastheRAIN » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:26 am

the people who annoy me are mostly the one's who are obsessed with the movies, and know everything there is to know about them, down to the name of the smallest little character who's name isn't even mentioned, and claim to be hardcore lotr fans, but still refuse to read the books. Because then they start acting like they know everything lotr, and start spouting of PJ made up 'facts' and using them to correct people, when the don't even know the REAL story in the first place. It's like shut up! The wise speak only of what they know, but of course you wouldn't know that because you haven't READ THE BOOKS!
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Postby Gandalf'sMother » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:29 am

valar_of_music wrote:Wait a minute, that guy from the London institute of whatever did know that the books came first, THEN the movie, and that they were written around the time of WWII, before games like Blizzard and books like harry potter? Please god i hope no one is really that stupid!<BR><BR>(i hope that list is supposed to be a joke)


Er, yes, it is a joke. The people to worry about are those who could not see the sarcasm, tongue-in-cheek, nature of the list, which is actually very funny. In fact, it seems the author is probably a fan of the books.

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Postby Gandalf'sMother » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:32 am

I am referring to the list below, which is obviously a joke. The author knows full well that LOTR predates Blizzard Entertainment and Harry Potter. That is the essence of his humor. He is playing stupid. Much of it is, in that sense, very funny.

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andurilwest wrote:Here's the list that gwindor_skooter got mad about.<BR><BR><BR>TOP 50 REASONS WHY LORD OF THE RINGS SUCKS<BR><BR>Fellowship of the Rings and Two Towers were shoved down our throats.<BR><BR>I've heard some students are even forced to read some novelization of the movie in their literature classes. Ridiculous. Does Hollywood run our classrooms now? <BR><BR><BR>Greed.<BR><BR>Hollywood can't make a movie these days without crapping out a sequel the next year to squeeze more money out of the sheep. Guess what; there's ANOTHER LOTR movie coming this Christmas. Gee, I wonder what will bring Rocky out of retirement this time? <BR><BR><BR>3.Quality Control at New Line. <BR><BR>Millions of copies of the LOTR DVDs have thick black bars at the bottom and top of the screen throughout the film. Didn't anyone catch this? You know what happens at the end, in the extreme foreground and extreme upper sky? Neither do I. Bush league, guys. <BR><BR><BR>They switched Darrens on us! <BR><BR>Look closely in Fellowship and you'll notice the human member of their party is played by two different actors at different points of the movie (it takes a sharp eye to notice, but one of them has red hair, one black). <BR><BR><BR>Quality Control at New Line, II. <BR><BR>In the massive Mt. Doom battle scene at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring, a DVD pause reveals at least half a dozen of the 50,000 Orc Warrior extras are wearing modern tennis shoes. <BR><BR><BR>Speaking of Orcs... <BR><BR>The Orcs were obviously stolen from PC game maker Blizzard and its Warcraft series. Too bad Blizzard is apparently too scared to sue New Line over it. <BR><BR><BR>Racism. <BR><BR>Percentage of protagonists in Fellowship who are white: 100. Meanwhile the black antagonists and their black crow spies and their black glass seeing ball inhabit their black towers and perform black magic. Gosh, I wonder if there's some symbolism there? <BR><BR><BR>Gold: The Stretchy Element. <BR><BR>The ring, which is seen to be at least two inches in diameter at the beginning to fit the polish sausage-sized finger of Sauron, suddenly fits Frodo's child-sized finger later. I guess this movie takes place in a world where rings magically change sizes on their own. <BR><BR><BR>Violence.<BR><BR>Give me one reason that story couldn't have been told without all the fighting. <BR><BR><BR>Horse sense.<BR><BR>Why didn't they take horses on their quest? Or even better, why didn't Gandalf's giant flying bird friend haul them into Mordor? Watch out, Frodo! All of your methods of transportation have been swallowed by the Dark Lord of the Plot Hole! <BR><BR><BR>Retracted.*<BR><BR>See below. <BR><BR><BR>Return of the Living Dead. <BR><BR>In FOTR, if you watch closely during the Inn scene, Frodo and his crew are shown getting stabbed by the Ring Wraiths. Then, five seconds later, they are fine again. Note to the director: try proofreading your movie before you release it to the public. <BR><BR><BR>Did someone say plot hole?<BR><BR>Liv Tyler's character is seen easily defeating nine strong supernatural beings, even though she is clearly a woman. <BR><BR><BR>The Battle Droid Syndrome. <BR><BR>The mutated muscular soldiers of Mordor turned out to be hilariously ineffective fighters, a dozen of them held off by a single dying human. Apparently they made the beasts by crossing Orcs, Goblins and the French. <BR><BR><BR>Sloppy CGI. <BR><BR>Gandalf's smoke boat at Bilbo's party is pretty impressive, but smoke cannot be made to travel horizontally, thus revealing it to be nothing but a cheap special effect. <BR><BR><BR>The Asbestos Wizard. <BR><BR>We all saw Gandalf fall into the molten core of Middle Earth after his battle with the firebeast thing in part 1. Well, I guess the Gandalf action figure must have sold well, because in the slap-together sequel Two Towers, Gandalf is back. Perhaps it was voodoo, a la the corpse in Weekend at Bernie's II (look closely and you'll notice LOTR steals several elements from the WAB films). <BR><BR><BR>Invisible Implausibility.<BR><BR>Every time Frodo or Bilbo went invisible with the ring they should have also gone BLIND. Your eyes cannot function unless light is reflected off the cornea. If light passes through it (as must be the case with invisibility) sight is no longer possible. Also, rings do not turn you invisible. <BR><BR><BR>The Asbestos Wizard, II. <BR><BR>The giant fire beast thing at the end of part 1 was breathing a firey breath hot enough to send heat-distortion waves through the air. The sheer temperature of the air should have burned off Gandalf's beard and eyebrows. None of my reading on evolutionary biology reveals a single reason why a particular race of humans would develop unflammable facial hair as this would provide practically no advantage in either survival or mating. <BR><BR><BR>I'll have to rent that one. <BR><BR>The rushed-through story the screenwriter threw in as the first ten minutes of Fellowship of the Ring looked a lot more interesting than the movie we were forced to watch. Why didn't somebody make a movie off that instead? <BR><BR><BR>Magic Mechanics. <BR><BR>Experts on the occult say in order for a wizard to floorspin a fully-grown man like Gandalf, he'd need three magical staffs, not two. <BR><BR><BR>Finders, keepers.<BR><BR>So Bilbo, who we are supposed to identify with as a protagonist, finds a piece of someone else's jewelry and just keeps it for himself? That's funny, because I would expect a good man to submit it to the local Lost and Found so it could be claimed by its owner. It makes me wonder if he bought that hillside house or if he was just squatting. <BR><BR><BR>Go-Go Gadget Arrow Sprouter.<BR><BR>Legolas shoots arrow after arrow at his enemies, and yet the number of arrows in his quiver never decreases. I guess elves have glands on their back that secrete arrows. <BR><BR><BR>Watch out! He's going to explode! <BR><BR>The heroes are shown eating again and again, and yet no one ever goes to the bathroom throughout their entire quest. <BR><BR><BR>Meesa gonna make theesa movie suckah! <BR><BR>The character of Gollum in The Two Towers was entirely computer animated (a cheap effort to cash in on Jar Jar Binks Mania) but was just a dim shadow of George Lucas' effort. Thank you, Peter Jackson. Thank you right to Hell. <BR><BR><BR>Propaganda. <BR><BR>The Elves, clearly the most advanced and wise species, are also clearly gay. <BR><BR><BR>Speaking of Elves... <BR><BR>Elves are beautiful and wise and tall? Great warriors? Makers of fine lightweight weapons? Our modern knowledge of elves has observed only an ability to make cookies and toys. All the elves in the film are portrayed as living in a warm paradise (Rivendell) but our own information tells us the aforementioned group of toymaking elves work and thrive in the arctic. Hey, Mr. Jackson: Research is half of writing. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft? <BR><BR>The "happy village of little people" idea was stolen from Willow. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft II? <BR><BR>The wise old wizard character was stolen from Harry Potter. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft III? <BR><BR>The "travelling on our quest through a corn field" scene was stolen from Shrek. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft IV? <BR><BR>The character of the rebellious-but-helpful Ranger was stolen from Val Kilmer in Willow. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft V? <BR><BR>The concept of the violent dwarf was based on Al Pacino. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft VI? <BR><BR>The "old man looking through the door hatch at the approaching little people" scene was stolen from A Clockwork Orange. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft VII? <BR><BR>The cantina scene with a noisy bar filled with a mix of otherworldly species was stolen from Cecile B. DeMille's One Night in an Alien Bar. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft VIII? <BR><BR>The incident with the flock of evil magical spying crows serving the All-Seeing Eye was based on an actual incident. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft IX? <BR><BR>The character of the Giant Evil Flaming All-Seeing Eye was based on former President Jimmy Carter. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft X? <BR><BR>The character of Elrond was based on Agent Smith from The Matrix. <BR><BR><BR>Weighty issues. <BR><BR>AKA "Plot Hole No. 273." Even with all that walking and light eating, the character of Sam only got fatter. <BR><BR><BR>Realism, schmealism. <BR><BR>Liv Tyler's immortal elf volunteers to give up her eternal life for a single romance with a human man. Could any man really be that well endowed? I find it unlikely. <BR><BR><BR>Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow. <BR><BR>The most advanced civilization is that of the elves, which are long-haired, new-age types? Sorry, Mr. Jackson, but modern science has proven that in any modern civilization, hippies would be extinct. <BR><BR><BR>Too many notes.<BR><BR>No movie should be over two hours long. Did we need that whole thing in the mine in part 1? What about that almost-infinite battle scene in part 2? Didn't it seem like they were just adding pointless scenes in the middle to pad it? It's like they decided beforehand they wanted three hours for each film and used filler to flesh them out. <BR><BR><BR>Too many notes, II. <BR><BR>I just want to re-emphasize the above point. There is no reason entertainment can't be concise. <BR><BR><BR>Too many notes, III. <BR><BR>Too many characters to keep track of. The dwarf was clearly only there as a token dwarf character to sell tickets to lucrative movie-going dwarf demographic. Lose him. <BR><BR><BR>Rationalization for violence. <BR><BR>Why, in part 1, is the black octopus creature painted as the bad guy when it attacks, when one of the fellowship had clearly been throwing rocks at it? <BR><BR><BR>The Shoeless Land. <BR><BR>The Hobbits both 1) refuse to wear shoes and 2) run a livestock-based farming economy. Wouldn't they constantly be stepping in crap? Why doesn't the movie address this issue? <BR><BR><BR>Casting. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Frodo have been played by Christopher Walken? <BR><BR><BR>Casting, II. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Gandalf have been played by Bruce Campbell? <BR><BR><BR>Casting, III. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Bilbo have been played by Vin Diesel? <BR><BR><BR>Casting, IV. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Strider have been played by a monkey? <BR><BR><BR>The Score. <BR><BR>The background music wasn't nearly funky enough for me. <BR><BR><BR>What's that smell? <BR><BR>As bad as the Lucasfilm leaks were with his last film, the filmmakers of Return of the King already have the novelization out in paperback. I've seen it at Barnes & Noble already. As if we needed any less of a reason to go see it. <BR><BR>-Dr. Albert Oxford, PhD <BR>London Film Institute <BR><BR><BR><BR>*RETRACTED REASONS LORD OF THE RINGS SUCKS:<BR><BR><BR>11. Damn you, gravity!<BR><BR>The giant firebeast thing is defeated by Gandalf when he destroys the bridge, sending the creature plunging to its death... despite the fact that it has wings. <BR><BR>This was retracted when a reader pointed out that the wings, like the rest of the beast, were made of shadow and fire and thus would be useless for flight. Thanks for the tip!<BR><BR><BR>Do we have to take this bloke seriously? I mean...<BR>He wrote an apology afterwards.
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Postby GirlElf » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:58 pm

i get annoyed when people make fun of it and treat LOTR like it's some silly little thing, when they really know nothing about. Becasue if they did, they would know what a highly intelligent, very well written, thought out and incredible work of art and liturature it is.
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Postby Mrs. Haldir » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:34 pm

Goodness, it annoys the hell out of me. They do not know the facts and when you try to correct them, well, it just turns into a quarrel over who's right and who is wrong. Being the fan and have taken much time into studying Tolkien's world, we all know who is obviously correct.
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Postby sairah » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:48 pm

I dont get annoyed when people talk about it. What I do hate is when people act like it's horrible.
And then, they pretend that their is something wrong with me, just bacause I enjoy it!
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Postby Boromir ROCKS » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:38 pm

Ugluk wrote: (I play LOTR TCG with them, mostly)


What does LOTR stand for lulz?
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Postby Hiril Elfwraith » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:58 pm

You don't know what LOTR standses for, precious? Lord Of The Rings, obviously.

Along with the whole Boromir/Aragorn thing:
At first, I could only tell Boromir and Aragorn apart because of Boromir's fancy sleeves.

Note: I have read the books. When I was in maybe 2nd or 3rd grade my parents got out the books on tape for long car trips, starting with The Hobbit. I ALWAYS have loved LOTR. ALWAYS. And then when I watched the movies, they were awesome. I love them both. I've also read the Silmarillion several times over and have the 1st 5 volumes of HoME, which I'm working on. (HoME=Histories of Middle-Earth) Hate to say it, but it's practically become a religion for me. That's made even worse as I am supposedly a Christian. I'm working on it, I'm working on it...[/u]
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Postby michi22766 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:35 pm

HAHAHA!

I just joined this forum today and was totally teased by my husband for it. I just needed a place to go where people aren't embarrassed to say they :heart: LotR. I swear that a ton of people I know secretly love it and pretend not to. HAHA.

And it makes me want to cry when people confuse LotR and Harry Potter. I mean, COME ON!!!! How can they confused?! They're completely different! My own best friend gets them confused (yes - I've considered shunning her*). I just can't figure it out.

*note - I was only kidding about the shunning thing
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Postby frodolives668 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:45 am

Yes, I have someone who knows nothing about LotR.
Yes, they never watch the movies.
Yes, they think they know more than me and correct me constantly.

It's my brother. He claims to know as much as I do but bombards me with questions that how-would-I-know-the-answers-to? And then if I tell him to quit pretending he knows more than i do about lotr, he'll start drilling me with questions that he doesn't know the answers to anyway. :x
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Re: Does it bother you when non-LOTR fans discuss it?

Postby RohirrimNed » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:53 am

I've not read the books yet, but I'm getting them for my birthday (along with a 2nd ring...I think Gollum made off with my first one) so I shall be just as knowledgeable as the rest of you by the time I'm finished!
I do consider myself a LotR fan, even if I've only seen the movies. I really don't like reading that much and have only completed 5 or 6 books. That's just me though, I prefer drawing and watching movies to reading.
Though, if someone tells me something that was in the book and not in the movie, I take that as 'canon' rather than the movie. I love the movies, but I'm not a die-hard "movies are true, books are rubbish" type. That's just stupid and I have met people like that.

But yes, when people make really silly remarks, it makes me facepalm. On another forum (horsey, but we were talking about The Hobbit/LotR) someone said their friend thought Hobbits were normal people and everyone else were giants!!
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Re: Does it bother you when non-LOTR fans discuss it?

Postby andurilwest » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:52 am

Well, it shouldn't. Live and let live.

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Re: Does it bother you when non-LOTR fans discuss it?

Postby Therien Greenleaf » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:51 pm

i dont really mind when people are actually trying, but what really gets me is when someone knows i like (ok love) lotr and just mess things up to make me mad and get under my skin
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