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Postby andurilwest » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:29 pm

Here's the list that gwindor_skooter got mad about.<BR><BR><BR>TOP 50 REASONS WHY LORD OF THE RINGS SUCKS<BR><BR>Fellowship of the Rings and Two Towers were shoved down our throats.<BR><BR>I've heard some students are even forced to read some novelization of the movie in their literature classes. Ridiculous. Does Hollywood run our classrooms now? <BR><BR><BR>Greed.<BR><BR>Hollywood can't make a movie these days without crapping out a sequel the next year to squeeze more money out of the sheep. Guess what; there's ANOTHER LOTR movie coming this Christmas. Gee, I wonder what will bring Rocky out of retirement this time? <BR><BR><BR>3.Quality Control at New Line. <BR><BR>Millions of copies of the LOTR DVDs have thick black bars at the bottom and top of the screen throughout the film. Didn't anyone catch this? You know what happens at the end, in the extreme foreground and extreme upper sky? Neither do I. Bush league, guys. <BR><BR><BR>They switched Darrens on us! <BR><BR>Look closely in Fellowship and you'll notice the human member of their party is played by two different actors at different points of the movie (it takes a sharp eye to notice, but one of them has red hair, one black). <BR><BR><BR>Quality Control at New Line, II. <BR><BR>In the massive Mt. Doom battle scene at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring, a DVD pause reveals at least half a dozen of the 50,000 Orc Warrior extras are wearing modern tennis shoes. <BR><BR><BR>Speaking of Orcs... <BR><BR>The Orcs were obviously stolen from PC game maker Blizzard and its Warcraft series. Too bad Blizzard is apparently too scared to sue New Line over it. <BR><BR><BR>Racism. <BR><BR>Percentage of protagonists in Fellowship who are white: 100. Meanwhile the black antagonists and their black crow spies and their black glass seeing ball inhabit their black towers and perform black magic. Gosh, I wonder if there's some symbolism there? <BR><BR><BR>Gold: The Stretchy Element. <BR><BR>The ring, which is seen to be at least two inches in diameter at the beginning to fit the polish sausage-sized finger of Sauron, suddenly fits Frodo's child-sized finger later. I guess this movie takes place in a world where rings magically change sizes on their own. <BR><BR><BR>Violence.<BR><BR>Give me one reason that story couldn't have been told without all the fighting. <BR><BR><BR>Horse sense.<BR><BR>Why didn't they take horses on their quest? Or even better, why didn't Gandalf's giant flying bird friend haul them into Mordor? Watch out, Frodo! All of your methods of transportation have been swallowed by the Dark Lord of the Plot Hole! <BR><BR><BR>Retracted.*<BR><BR>See below. <BR><BR><BR>Return of the Living Dead. <BR><BR>In FOTR, if you watch closely during the Inn scene, Frodo and his crew are shown getting stabbed by the Ring Wraiths. Then, five seconds later, they are fine again. Note to the director: try proofreading your movie before you release it to the public. <BR><BR><BR>Did someone say plot hole?<BR><BR>Liv Tyler's character is seen easily defeating nine strong supernatural beings, even though she is clearly a woman. <BR><BR><BR>The Battle Droid Syndrome. <BR><BR>The mutated muscular soldiers of Mordor turned out to be hilariously ineffective fighters, a dozen of them held off by a single dying human. Apparently they made the beasts by crossing Orcs, Goblins and the French. <BR><BR><BR>Sloppy CGI. <BR><BR>Gandalf's smoke boat at Bilbo's party is pretty impressive, but smoke cannot be made to travel horizontally, thus revealing it to be nothing but a cheap special effect. <BR><BR><BR>The Asbestos Wizard. <BR><BR>We all saw Gandalf fall into the molten core of Middle Earth after his battle with the firebeast thing in part 1. Well, I guess the Gandalf action figure must have sold well, because in the slap-together sequel Two Towers, Gandalf is back. Perhaps it was voodoo, a la the corpse in Weekend at Bernie's II (look closely and you'll notice LOTR steals several elements from the WAB films). <BR><BR><BR>Invisible Implausibility.<BR><BR>Every time Frodo or Bilbo went invisible with the ring they should have also gone BLIND. Your eyes cannot function unless light is reflected off the cornea. If light passes through it (as must be the case with invisibility) sight is no longer possible. Also, rings do not turn you invisible. <BR><BR><BR>The Asbestos Wizard, II. <BR><BR>The giant fire beast thing at the end of part 1 was breathing a firey breath hot enough to send heat-distortion waves through the air. The sheer temperature of the air should have burned off Gandalf's beard and eyebrows. None of my reading on evolutionary biology reveals a single reason why a particular race of humans would develop unflammable facial hair as this would provide practically no advantage in either survival or mating. <BR><BR><BR>I'll have to rent that one. <BR><BR>The rushed-through story the screenwriter threw in as the first ten minutes of Fellowship of the Ring looked a lot more interesting than the movie we were forced to watch. Why didn't somebody make a movie off that instead? <BR><BR><BR>Magic Mechanics. <BR><BR>Experts on the occult say in order for a wizard to floorspin a fully-grown man like Gandalf, he'd need three magical staffs, not two. <BR><BR><BR>Finders, keepers.<BR><BR>So Bilbo, who we are supposed to identify with as a protagonist, finds a piece of someone else's jewelry and just keeps it for himself? That's funny, because I would expect a good man to submit it to the local Lost and Found so it could be claimed by its owner. It makes me wonder if he bought that hillside house or if he was just squatting. <BR><BR><BR>Go-Go Gadget Arrow Sprouter.<BR><BR>Legolas shoots arrow after arrow at his enemies, and yet the number of arrows in his quiver never decreases. I guess elves have glands on their back that secrete arrows. <BR><BR><BR>Watch out! He's going to explode! <BR><BR>The heroes are shown eating again and again, and yet no one ever goes to the bathroom throughout their entire quest. <BR><BR><BR>Meesa gonna make theesa movie suckah! <BR><BR>The character of Gollum in The Two Towers was entirely computer animated (a cheap effort to cash in on Jar Jar Binks Mania) but was just a dim shadow of George Lucas' effort. Thank you, Peter Jackson. Thank you right to Hell. <BR><BR><BR>Propaganda. <BR><BR>The Elves, clearly the most advanced and wise species, are also clearly gay. <BR><BR><BR>Speaking of Elves... <BR><BR>Elves are beautiful and wise and tall? Great warriors? Makers of fine lightweight weapons? Our modern knowledge of elves has observed only an ability to make cookies and toys. All the elves in the film are portrayed as living in a warm paradise (Rivendell) but our own information tells us the aforementioned group of toymaking elves work and thrive in the arctic. Hey, Mr. Jackson: Research is half of writing. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft? <BR><BR>The "happy village of little people" idea was stolen from Willow. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft II? <BR><BR>The wise old wizard character was stolen from Harry Potter. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft III? <BR><BR>The "travelling on our quest through a corn field" scene was stolen from Shrek. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft IV? <BR><BR>The character of the rebellious-but-helpful Ranger was stolen from Val Kilmer in Willow. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft V? <BR><BR>The concept of the violent dwarf was based on Al Pacino. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft VI? <BR><BR>The "old man looking through the door hatch at the approaching little people" scene was stolen from A Clockwork Orange. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft VII? <BR><BR>The cantina scene with a noisy bar filled with a mix of otherworldly species was stolen from Cecile B. DeMille's One Night in an Alien Bar. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft VIII? <BR><BR>The incident with the flock of evil magical spying crows serving the All-Seeing Eye was based on an actual incident. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft IX? <BR><BR>The character of the Giant Evil Flaming All-Seeing Eye was based on former President Jimmy Carter. <BR><BR><BR>Homage or theft X? <BR><BR>The character of Elrond was based on Agent Smith from The Matrix. <BR><BR><BR>Weighty issues. <BR><BR>AKA "Plot Hole No. 273." Even with all that walking and light eating, the character of Sam only got fatter. <BR><BR><BR>Realism, schmealism. <BR><BR>Liv Tyler's immortal elf volunteers to give up her eternal life for a single romance with a human man. Could any man really be that well endowed? I find it unlikely. <BR><BR><BR>Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow. <BR><BR>The most advanced civilization is that of the elves, which are long-haired, new-age types? Sorry, Mr. Jackson, but modern science has proven that in any modern civilization, hippies would be extinct. <BR><BR><BR>Too many notes.<BR><BR>No movie should be over two hours long. Did we need that whole thing in the mine in part 1? What about that almost-infinite battle scene in part 2? Didn't it seem like they were just adding pointless scenes in the middle to pad it? It's like they decided beforehand they wanted three hours for each film and used filler to flesh them out. <BR><BR><BR>Too many notes, II. <BR><BR>I just want to re-emphasize the above point. There is no reason entertainment can't be concise. <BR><BR><BR>Too many notes, III. <BR><BR>Too many characters to keep track of. The dwarf was clearly only there as a token dwarf character to sell tickets to lucrative movie-going dwarf demographic. Lose him. <BR><BR><BR>Rationalization for violence. <BR><BR>Why, in part 1, is the black octopus creature painted as the bad guy when it attacks, when one of the fellowship had clearly been throwing rocks at it? <BR><BR><BR>The Shoeless Land. <BR><BR>The Hobbits both 1) refuse to wear shoes and 2) run a livestock-based farming economy. Wouldn't they constantly be stepping in crap? Why doesn't the movie address this issue? <BR><BR><BR>Casting. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Frodo have been played by Christopher Walken? <BR><BR><BR>Casting, II. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Gandalf have been played by Bruce Campbell? <BR><BR><BR>Casting, III. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Bilbo have been played by Vin Diesel? <BR><BR><BR>Casting, IV. <BR><BR>Why couldn't Strider have been played by a monkey? <BR><BR><BR>The Score. <BR><BR>The background music wasn't nearly funky enough for me. <BR><BR><BR>What's that smell? <BR><BR>As bad as the Lucasfilm leaks were with his last film, the filmmakers of Return of the King already have the novelization out in paperback. I've seen it at Barnes & Noble already. As if we needed any less of a reason to go see it. <BR><BR>-Dr. Albert Oxford, PhD <BR>London Film Institute <BR><BR><BR><BR>*RETRACTED REASONS LORD OF THE RINGS SUCKS:<BR><BR><BR>11. Damn you, gravity!<BR><BR>The giant firebeast thing is defeated by Gandalf when he destroys the bridge, sending the creature plunging to its death... despite the fact that it has wings. <BR><BR>This was retracted when a reader pointed out that the wings, like the rest of the beast, were made of shadow and fire and thus would be useless for flight. Thanks for the tip!<BR><BR><BR>Do we have to take this bloke seriously? I mean...<BR>He wrote an apology afterwards.
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Postby Dragonking » Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:46 am

That took me so freaggin long to read....holy crap. He must be an unhappy old man with nothing better to do than pick out stupid stuff. Obviously he must have some interest in the movies to watch them that many times. lol
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Postby Kosomot-V-Gothmog » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:18 pm

One reason people don't like the Lord of the Rings!!!!<BR><BR><BR>1. Your Stupid.<BR><BR>1.Your parents are closely related.<BR><BR>1.Your Ignorant.<BR><BR>1.Logic dictates you would put your reasons the LOTR sucks<BR>on a LOTR sucks board,otherwise you might be a target for<BR>being pointed out as a person who calls his brothers and sisters<BR>cousin.<BR><BR>1. Your life is so pathetic you spend your time<BR>trying to piss people off on obvious FAN BOARDS!<BR><BR>1. Their favorite movie of the year, GILI, with Bennifer,<BR>Bombed, While the Return of the King may break Titanic's<BR>Record 1.1 billion all time box office draw.<BR><BR>1.You have read the LOTR 50 times, and you still don't know<BR>why they wanted to get rid of the ring.<BR><BR>1.Your dumb.<BR><BR>1.Your next years favorite for the Darwin Award <BR>of the year.<BR><BR>1. Your a complete moron who could'nt figure out that you<BR>didn't like the story after the first movie or the first few chapters.<BR><BR>1.Your literary skills are that of a pigmy headhunter<BR>still isolated from the outside world.<BR><BR>I think that covers it.<BR><BR>Kosomot
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Postby Galenmir » Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:00 pm

Your stupid what? Or are you missing an apostrophe? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby shadowcat » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:49 pm

<BR><BR>Elf-princessButtercup,Oh no! Really obsessed?? We had a challenge at work once, how many names from Star Wars could 9 of us come up with? I couldn't get too many but said I could probably get about 200 from the Sil and LotR. did it starting with A-Z, once done all they could say was "wow you are a nerd!" Yep and proud of it!<BR>your right about turning them away, we want more to step into this world.<BR>~become hard-core fans of the book and Tolkien's writing~ I hope so!<BR>~elves at Helms Deep~ "Not in the book? Why not?" someone said to me once, "Because they were busy somewhere else!" then you have to explain it to them.<BR><BR> Legessa_of_Gondor , ~How can you mix up Boromir and Aragorn? ~ People I know do it all the time, but they are the ones who have not read the books. They also can't get Merry and Pippin straight!<BR><BR>theduffster, Hi there! I know what you mean, I don't know anyone who loves Tolkiens books as much as I do, that I can talk with, just all of you.<BR><BR>Teleperion1234, The Silmarillion, wouldn't that make a great series of films! <BR><BR>Galenmir, does this mean that we are Tolkien geeks from waaaayyy back? Love your plan wish I had thought of it months ago!<BR><BR>Be kind to them, in the hope that they will pick up the books!<BR><BR>YAz
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Postby valar_of_music » Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:40 pm

Wait a minute, that guy from the London institute of whatever did know that the books came first, THEN the movie, and that they were written around the time of WWII, before games like Blizzard and books like harry potter? Please god i hope no one is really that stupid!<BR><BR>(i hope that list is supposed to be a joke)
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Postby Galenmir » Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:06 am

It is.
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Postby Me-elf » Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:01 pm

It annoys me, yes. I can't stand it, sometimes I have to leave the room for my stifled laughter. I had to stop reading that list after about number six, ugh! Made me sick, it did. I'm glad it's supposed to be a joke. Dumb joke though it is.<BR>It also annoys me that people diss the people who dressed up for the midnight showing. I heard some guy behind me in line for my showing say "There were some freaks here at midnight dressed up like Galadriel and stuff."<BR>Can anyone say, "SO?"?
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Postby andurilwest » Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:29 pm

<i>I'll have to rent that one. <BR><BR>The rushed-through story the screenwriter threw in as the first ten minutes of Fellowship of the Ring looked a lot more interesting than the movie we were forced to watch. Why didn't somebody make a movie off that instead?</i><BR><BR><BR>Possible Silmarillion movie viewer?<BR><BR>
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Postby ArienelFeawen » Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:10 pm

One thing that bugs me is when they try to correct you cause what you are talking about is from the book, not the movie and they don't understand, cause they've only seen the movie <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Did anyone follow that?<BR><BR>Arien
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Postby shadowcat » Mon Dec 22, 2003 8:44 pm

Got it! I could feel the anger!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>What I have now been hearing is "I don't need to read it, I've seen the movie"<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> <BR>I just tell them there is so much they missed! It's hard to fill them in on the details!<BR><BR>YAz <BR><BR>Happy Christmas to all!
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Postby ArienelFeawen » Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:49 am

Shadowcat, exactly. The reason it bothers me is cause they call themselves LOTR fans, but they don't take the time to read the books...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>Arien
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Postby Wizard_Pupil » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:42 pm

Yes, I hate it, people think they perfectly know about LOTR, but people who only have seen the movies doesn´t really know, they have a whole wrong idea...And they think they know...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> Jua jua
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Postby ArienelFeawen » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:16 pm

I love your screen name, Wizard_Pupil <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Welcome to TORC! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Arien
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Postby Hobbit_Guy » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:41 pm

BIG BOLD DISCLAIMER: In this following post, I discuss opinions stated by others that are in no way shared by myself; I mean no insult to people who might be derogatized (is that the word?) in the following quotes. Also, I don't know if I'm getting... a little 'too detailed' on how much I hate non-LotR fans' attempts at allegorizing and discussing LotR... if it went too far, PLEASE let me know so I can edit or delete it. I'm pretty new here, at any rate, and am trying to learn how much you can say and what to leave out...<BR><BR>*CAUTION: MAY CONTAIN OFFENSIVE TOPICS (OH,WELL, I SHOULD DELETE IT ALREADY...*<BR>I hate it when things like that happen, especially when people who've only seen the movies (or not even all three!) persistently 'correct' my friend and me about LotR-related topics. My science teacher (****, are ALL teachers this persistent and annoying when discussing LotR?) still stubbornly believes that Saruman was GANDALF'S BROTHER!, and my English teacher... Let's not even go there. That prick tells everyone that LotR is a fantasy and therefore "of no worth as a piece of film." He refuses to acknowledge that a guy named Tolkien wrote a book called LotR before PJackson's movie, and told our entire fourth period class that "He had attempted to read it, and it was mostly a gay, happy-go-lucky book made by some *****-*** author who couldn't even get all the details from the movie right. That prick... though I did manipulate the class into talking about LotR when we were supposed to be reading Shakespeare... Some people saw the movies and wondered why they had to have all this 'gay' stuff about the 4 hobbits; why couldn't there be more action and less trivialities? Also... my teacher thinks that Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin are all gay... and he's extremely intolerant. He got really, really pissed when one day this poor wisp of a girl was reading LotR during a study-hall; he looked like he wanted to burn both her and the book. At least he doesn't consider himself a fan... he just has to "know his enemy" and see the films a few times in order to lapse and educate the masses on how ****** the Lord of the Rings movies and book/spam were; hopefully no one believed his persistant opinion that it was a big allegory aimed at "our glorious government" and that Sauron represented the President... Stupid *******... though he did like the black=evil, white=good part and was rather vexed when Saruman turned out to be evil. That was attributed to "getting to close to the ******* (African-Americans is what he meant), "that's why you can see those strands of black hair on him. He's wearing a white robe, but inside, he's pure black." And then a godawful discussion on Michael Jackson commenced; I'm not going to go there on either side. Foolish *** of a "teacher"... He's 'ejukatd' all right.
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Postby ArienelFeawen » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:57 pm

Wow, you had a lot to say. I didn't read all of it, but you have a very strong point of view. I agree about the teachers <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Arien
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Postby shadowcat » Thu Dec 25, 2003 9:36 pm

Hobbit_Guy, be calm, some battles are not worth fighting, and this may be one of them. Sounds as if his mind is locked in cement and there will be no changing it!<BR>But if he is a book burning type, fight hard!!! Just remember, where they burn books -- people are next!<BR><BR>YAz
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Postby Kosomot-V-Gothmog » Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:53 am

Now you know why Christopher Tolkien was against the commercialization<BR>of his father's works.Its like watching the evening news, everyone<BR>thinks they are the only one to put the correct spin on the truth!<BR>I read the Sill and LOTR in about 1979, and have been amazed it<BR>took this long to make movies of The LOTR. I think they for the most part<BR>are pretty good movies, realizing that it is impossible to include<BR>everything, but some of the additions are downright insulting.<BR>I am really prepared to see Arwen go Toe to Toe with Sauron because<BR>he called Aragorn a bad name, And People who where not even at the<BR>battle of the Pellenor fields kick some major ass there. How about<BR>Elrond slaying the rest of the Nazgul? not true but very entertaining.<BR>I think they could have made great movies without altering anything.<BR> But like the news, movies are meant to be entertaining, who cares<BR>if it isn't the truth, or like the book, people begin to take it in<BR>and consider it truthful even though it is 70% bullcrap. Too bad.<BR>The public is so used to getting half truths shoved down our throats<BR>so often that the real story really doesn't matter anymore.<BR>So I suggest when people spout off about the movies, just say,<BR>It takes intellegence to read the books first, then decide if the<BR>movies are any good! Don't be an idiot and look for the real story<BR>on the nightly news, or the true tale in the movies!<BR><BR>Kosomot
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Postby Moonglade » Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:23 am

Ugh, I share the frustration regarding those who claim to be experts. I'm certainly not an authority, but it's unnerving when others brag about their dedication and (for instance) give me a puzzled look at the mention of Sauron. This particular classmate claimed to have seen the films (and I quote) "2000 times." Wow, Sauron never registered??!?!?! FOR PJ'S SAKE!!!<BR><BR>As for comparing the film with the books, Tolkien and Jackson both have my repect. PJ had to simplify things so that all ages (and IQ levels) could enjoy the story.
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Postby ArienelFeawen » Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:41 pm

Good point Moonglade. <BR><BR>LOL, Sauron or Saruman? is what people always ask me.<BR><BR>"It's Saruman's ring, PJ, get it right!" <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Welcome to TORC <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>EDIT: I didn't want to insult anyone by calling them Moon <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Arien
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Postby andurilwest » Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:41 pm

Personally, I get irritated. Or amused. <BR><BR>My classmates sometimes discuss the films, and I remember them going all ooh-ahh on Legolas surfing, Elves at Helm's Deep and Dwarf tossing in TTT. The curious thing is these are the things that have vexed so many of us. (Well, Gimli resembles one of our teachers, and many of my classmates are skateboarders.) Ahh, blissful ignorance... Now I was listing, and I got steamed up that these people, mostly (all?) non-book readers, were ooh-ahhing over that, because it's the only version they know. They will never know that Aragorn didn't have a bow. They'll never know that Legolas didn't surf, he only had one knife and that Elves never came. No Arwen at the Ford, no Warg attack, no Aragorn fake death, no Wizard duel, no etc.<BR>Well, unless they actually pick up the books... It's frustrating to be the resident Tolkien nerd(?) in class. <BR><BR>One was actually asking me about what happens in ROTK, and I told him the king'll return. "Who's the king?" he asked. "Look at the photo," I said. "Oh, so Aragorn's going to be king of Rohan!" he replied. And he thinks the Ents are trees... but so does Roger Ebert. Then he asked, "Will Legolas die? I heard he was... And do Elves never run out of arrows? I think they have a power..." (Might have read the list above.) <BR><BR>(I also heard a similar conversation while watching Matrix Reloaded in the theater. "I hear Aragorn dies... (Oh PLEASE!) Who's that wizard again? Gandalf - <i>what an ugly name.</i>-" I wanted to hit that guy. <BR><BR>But I also get amused. <BR>Quotable quotes: <BR>"<i>Nicholas</i> is so handsome!" My aunt also made this gaffe.<BR>"Did you see the People's Elbow from the top of the castle?" (Aragorn's ladder stunt)<BR><BR>As a (unrelated?) footnote, my cousins were playing ROTK on the PS2 the other day, and I was nearby. Didn't want to get too close, in fear of spoilers (I still haven't watched it...sigh.) Now, I was thinking, these two are such experts, they only know the films. But they invited me to play. We were playing the Pelennor Fields stage already, and I reclutantly picked up the controller. And I had fun. I was on the verge of shouting <i>"Lacho calad! Drego morn!"</i> when we charged the Easterlings, which I didn't do, because it might have looked weird. So, even if non-readers don't read the books and are missing something, I think they're still having a blast. But they should pick up the books still... <BR><BR>
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Postby shadowcat » Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:51 pm

andurilwest ~~And do Elves never run out of arrows?~~ had to explain that to a friend, how much time L took finding arrows. Friend thought that L had a magic quiver! Would like to have seen PJ mismatch the arrows he had in it, and maybe him in the background picking them up. (wouldn't have taken muchPJ!!!)<BR><BR>YAz<BR>
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Postby Moonglade » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:46 am

It can be amusing, and as another has already said, I'm glad that so many enjoy Lord of the Rings, however they choose to do it.<BR><BR>My mum had expressed her fondness on more than one occasion of "Gimpy the Elf." Whether she means Legolas or Gimli I may never know...
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Postby FloraLoamsdown » Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:22 pm

It doesn't annoy me if they like it, and that's why they are discussing it... what annoys me is when they <i>don't</i> like it, and believe that everyone feels the same as they.<BR><BR>Like my family. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>FloraLoamsdown
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Postby Arwenslight » Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:49 am

this does annoy me, especially when they pronounce the names wrong. (ex- aragon instead of aragorn) i hate this!
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Postby Mithnen » Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:57 am

Yes, yes, it truly does piss me off something terrible. This life skills teacher I had last year was so...how to put this...confused; but not to herself. She thought that she was <i>the</i> authority on all things Tolkien and she couldn't even remember who was Saruman and who was Sauron. And when she said 'Aragorn' it sounded like a cat had got caught in her throat and was trying to claw its way out *shudder* She was a major Jesus freak (not like it's a bad thing, but I go to a <i>public shcool</i>, where it's supposedly illegal to preach religion) and she was trying so hard to get everyone to think that it's a giant Biblical allegory and that Frodo was Jesus and so on and so forth.<BR><BR>Then there's this girl in my biology class who claims to be this major LotR fan. Firstly: she can't even say 'Gollum' right. She says 'Gullum'. Secondly: she hasn't read any of the books all the way through (and doesn't intend on reading them) because *and I quote, ahem*: "They're too long and I got confused." If not for my persistance, the thought of even starting to read them wouldn't have even crossed her mind.<BR><BR>Hobbit_guy: I totally relate to <i>everything</i> you said, er, posted. It's creepy.<BR><BR>_Mith<BR><BR>((I have to add something, after reading some other replies, so here goes: duffster, you're sig pic is hilarious! It seriously is LOL-worthy <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)
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Postby ArienelFeawen » Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:28 pm

It's not illegal to talk about your religion in a public school. They can only make rules like that in private schools. I hate it when they do that. Private school makes me angry.<BR><BR>Only teachers are not allowed to preach about religion...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> But, at my school(private) teachers kind of ignore that...<BR><BR>Arien
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Postby Mithnen » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:17 pm

I don't know if 'illegal' was the right term, but it's a federal thing now: sep. of church and state. The *public* schools are run by the state, hence you separate the church from the school: voila <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> (That teacher, by the way, has made many enemies with the Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and atheist kids/families at my school.)<BR><BR>_Mith
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Postby theduffster » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:55 am

Mithnen, remember to vote for me for "Best Sig Pic Collection" when the White Council Awards are given out this year! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I lost last year to TheLidlessEyes. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Back on topic, I don't know any non-fans of the movies. People either love them, or haven't seen them. Now, the books are different. My husband and 2 of my daughters haven't read them, and I love "teaching" them things, such as the nature of Valinor, Tol Eressea, Saruman's fate, etc. They are all very interested.
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Postby Moonglade » Wed Dec 31, 2003 3:38 pm

Ugh, OK, the "Frodo as a Christ figure" theory upsets me. I wish people would just accept the story for what it is sometimes, and stop trying to pin already established events and people in history on specific events and characters in the books. Sure they influenced it, but all art and literature comes from somewhere. I think the lessons on LOTR should be appreciated by everyone, regardless of their race, religion, etc.<BR><BR>Ahem, to get back on topic, there are some people who still don't get that the 3 installments are one film. My dad asked me just the other day which "version" I liked best, as if the film was redone 3 times!
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