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Postby Nár » Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:54 am

Now they're making a special DVD: "The adventures of Captain Obvious - Legolas, the public-friendly Elf".<BR><BR>Some bits:<BR><BR><em>The three hunters are running. Suddenly, Legolas stops and turns to the camera:</em><BR><BR>LEGOLAS: Hi children! Remember? Aragorn, Gimli and me - we're GOOD - are hunting the Uruks - who are BAD - because we want to save Merry and Pippin - who are GOOD - from Saruman - who is VERY BAD. Saruman is a wizard and is a puppet of Sauron - who is VERY VERY BAD.<BR><BR><em>Gimli is not able to keep up with their pace.</em><BR><BR>LEGOLAS - See? Gimli is a Dwarf, so he is slow! This is funnay!!!1 Have a good laugh.<BR><BR>-------<BR><BR>ARAGORN: Not if we hold true to each other. We will not abandon Merry and Pippin to torment and death. Not while we have strength left. Leave all that can be spared behind.<BR>We travel light. Let's hunt some Orc!<BR>GIMLI: Yes!<BR><em>They run away. Legolas watches them with a smile, then turns to the camera.</em><BR><BR>LEGOLAS: Do you understand? Frodo -who is GOOD - is gone, with the Ring - who is BAD - and Sam - who is GOOD. Boromir - who was, er, a bit too complex for my simple Manichaeism - is dead. The end of the movie is close. Don't forget...this is just the FIRST movie of a trilogy! Two more to come! Oh, and when the credits begin to roll, you may leave the theater.<BR>--------<BR><em>Helm's Deep. The Uruks roars and thump their spears furiously.</em><BR>LEGOLAS: Orcs!<BR>Everybody else : <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR>------<BR><em>Helm's Deep. Rohirrim and Elves are fighting for their lives against the Uruks. Suddenly Legolas turns to the camera, and everybody else freeze.</em><BR>LEGOLAS: Things look pretty desperate, huh? But don't be afraid...remember, Gandalf said he would return <em>(winks)</em> and I think he will...before the battle is over <em>(winks again)</em>.
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Postby sh_wulff » Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:08 am

Nar<BR>keep up the good work!<BR><BR><BR>Legolas *screams*<BR>Gimli <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> what now?<BR><BR>Legolas my hair is messy<BR>Gimli so <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Legolas but I feel out of Kilter and cannot shoot straight if my hair is messy<BR>Gimli Great More orcs for meeeeeee <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alphedhel » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:18 pm

I'm all for dissing Orlando Blooms version of Legolas and even Ralph Bakshi's version. But mess with Tolkien's Legolas, and you'll get an ear full of what I have to say about it! And Elves aren't girly for having braided shoulder length hair. iT WAS THE STYLE BACK THEN FOR MEN!!!!!!! SO STOP PORTRAYING HIM AS A GAY MAN BECAUSE HE'S STRAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Donisiliel » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:50 pm

Oh dear...I feel as though I have strayed onto a minefield. <BR><BR>I would have been upset if PJ had allowed Legolas to be "severely injured." I don't like deviations from the book. On the other hand, I will admit that I was hoping he'd get a little beat up in the last movie. Even though he is an Elf, I don't think that he could have made it through all the battles and action that he saw with only a few smudges of dirt on his face. I'm pretty sure that after the battle of the Pelennor Fields, the book says of two people that they were the only ones to come through the battle uninjured. I can't remember who the particular characters were, but I know Legolas wasn't one of them. Obviously, he wasn't seriously maimed, because we never hear of any outstanding injuries, but it stands to reason that he would have been subject to the "minor" wounds of war just like any other warrior. <BR><BR>If Legolas had got hurt a little, that would have shown that though the Elves are immortal, they are still by no means immune to death and injuries. And just think, if PJ had expressed this idea through Legolas, he never would have had to kill Haldir to get his point across. In fact, Haldir might not have showed up at Helm's Deep at all! Therefore, by sacrificing Legolas, we would save the integrity of the plot for TT. (Somewhat.) And really, it wouldn't be so much of a sacrifice for Legolas, since I do think he would benefit from a little blood in that he wouldn't seem so invincible. It'd make him a little more believable. Not that I don't believe. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>On the other hand, I know PJ wanted to show that the Elves are special and different than mortal humans, so if the only way to achieve this was by making Legolas invincible, so be it. I think PJ did a pretty good job of portraying the Elves, so I won't argue. <BR><BR>There you go <strong>Nim</strong>. At least one more serious reply to your question. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby Aurelin » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:06 pm

<strong>Nár</strong> - LOL for the Public Friendly Legolas<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR><em>If Legolas had got hurt a little, that would have shown that though the Elves are immortal, they are still by no means immune to death and injuries. And just think, if PJ had expressed this idea through Legolas, he never would have had to kill Haldir to get his point across. In fact, Haldir might not have showed up at Helm's Deep at all!</em><BR><BR>I never thought about that, but yes, that could have been a better way to go about it. I think I have started to think of the Haldir and co being in Helm's Deep too much in the context of the movie. For me it was just that they had needed a way to get Arwen and Aragorn together, hence she brought the Elves to him and since the thing was filmed before they decided for the non-XenArwen Elf-maiden, they couldn't take the Elves out of the scenes and replacing all of them like with Arwen/Legolas and the rope throwing would have also messed things up.<BR><BR><em>On the other hand, I know PJ wanted to show that the Elves are special and different than mortal humans, so if the only way to achieve this was by making Legolas invincible, so be it. </em><BR><BR>Hmm, I just started to think - Gimli didn't at least seem to get injured either. At least I can't remember now, he kind of seemes as invincible as Legolas.<BR><BR>Sorry for not brining new input to the thread, only some thoughts that came to me. I still feel pro minor injuries, con great deviations from the book (something similar to Aragorn and the cliff).<BR><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> Aurelin <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>
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Postby Donisiliel » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:04 pm

You're right, <strong>Aurelin</strong>. Gimli doesn't seem to ever get hurt in the movies. He always looks a little mussed, though, so he doesn't give the same effect of never-having-a-hair-out-of-place invincibility. And even if he did get injured, how would we know? He's just one short mass of beard and armour with hardly any vulnerable flesh to be seen. <BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby Singingfox73 » Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:38 pm

And heres another thing Gimli has going--we may not ever see him get hurt or injured, but during the whole tracking the uruks he's always falling behind the others and falling down the hill--I would imagine it WOULD be rather hard to keep up with Mr Perfect Elf and Mr Almost Perfect Ranger! Especially in all that armor, with those short legs--and did anyone notice those BOOTS!!!! Ouch! <BR><BR>
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Postby solith_elf » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:25 pm

I have an issue with PJ. <BR><BR>Did he put the end scene with Legolas prancing off down the hill, singing and going to walk in the trees? It was supposed to be after the coronation and before the Havens scene. <BR><BR>And he never did the whole: The Gulls! Alas, Alas, etc etc!<BR><BR>I was really lookung forward to the singing bit, mostly to snigger a bit<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> But also curious to see if he can sing too. He can pretend to do a lot of other things<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>
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Postby Aurelin » Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:24 pm

<em>And even if he did get injured, how would we know? He's just one short mass of beard and armour with hardly any vulnerable flesh to be seen. </em><BR>LOL! <BR><em>I would imagine it WOULD be rather hard to keep up with Mr Perfect Elf and Mr Almost Perfect Ranger! </em><BR>*snicker*<BR>Those boots really seem to weigh a ton and from the commentaries of Rhys-Davies, really heavy in real life as well.<BR><BR><strong>solith</strong>, I really missed the whole gulls and singing part too. Though it could be on the EE. I might be really slow on the uptake and it may have been already discussed or confirmed or something but I just now started to think that the screencaps from the E! show, I think it was, of TTT with Legolas with eyes closed and arms wide could be that scene in Ithilien or when he hears the gulls. <BR><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> Aurelin <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>
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Postby Donisiliel » Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:28 pm

Yes, I would dearly love to see Legolas's encounter with the sea, as well. I hope we'll get something in the EE.<BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby NimrodelSong » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:16 pm

<em>I would dearly love to see Legolas's encounter with the sea, as well. I hope we'll get something in the EE</em><BR><BR>I most certainly second *that*.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> If they have something like that in the EE, I will simply go out of my skull with delight.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Nim~
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Postby !bob! » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:42 am

I used to be a MAJOR Legolas fan but I'm not that mad about him anymore. I think if he had gotten himself injured it would have shown everyone that really, he's just a normal guy with pointy ears, immortality and really great hair. Mmmmm still loving that hair...<BR>Anyway, I think my friend-who-shall-go-unnamed would go mad and simply sit in her room and stare at her posters.<BR>Bob.<BR>P.S I am not a bloke, can we get that straight? I just like the name.
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Postby NimrodelSong » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:47 am

<BR>Here's the rub though, <strong>Bob</strong> - someone who's immortal isn't all that "normal"...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>~Nim~
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Postby !bob! » Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:22 pm

You know what I mean. Anyway, I'm not completely normal myself come to think of it...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR>Bob.
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Postby Donisiliel » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:20 pm

I like your description of Legolas as "just a normal guy with pointy ears, immortality, and really great hair." <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I understand exactly what you mean. Yes, Elves are by no means "human," but they are "normal" entities like us, not creatures from a foreign planet. <BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby NimrodelSong » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:40 am

<BR>Aw, I was just kiddin'.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I'm not terribly "normal", myself...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Nim~
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Postby !bob! » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:40 am

Oh ok. It's kinda hard to tell if someones joking when you're just reading the words. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I saw this book with "The Road Goes Ever On" in it; the music and everything! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I realise this is nothing to do with our speculation but I just wanted to say it.<BR>Hehehehehe I'm hyper now, am listening to a track about people eating fish heads! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>Bob.
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Postby Donisiliel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:09 pm

Bob, is the song about fish heads this one?<BR><BR><em>Fish heads, fish heads, <BR>Rolly polly fish heads!<BR>Fish heads fish heads,<BR>Eat them up, Yum!</em><BR><BR>I have that on a CD. It's really stupid, but I love it. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> So, I guess that means I'm not all that normal, either. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby solith_elf » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:09 pm

Aaaaargh! Its like an OB fansite in here<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> All I can see are pics of the wonderful Will!<BR><BR>Dont you know less is more?<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>JK, keep up the Orli sigs(then I can swoon secretly, mwah ha ha ha ha ha!)<BR><BR>Fish heads? Is that a Gollum type song?
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Postby Donisiliel » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:45 pm

Not exactly, but I guess it could be.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I imagine he's the only one who would get enjoyment out of eating "rolly polly fish heads." One of the verses goes:<BR><BR><em>I took my fish head out to see a movie, <BR>Didn't have to pay to get him in.</em><BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby Eowyn37 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:42 am

Is the fish head song anything like the song, <BR><BR><em>Great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts,<BR>mutilated monkey meat,<BR>little bitty birdy's feet. <BR>Great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts, <BR>and me without a spoon!</em> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I love that one. I suppose that would make me not normal? Sweet.<BR><BR>-Wyny
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Postby Donisiliel » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:32 pm

We are getting woefully off topic here! I hope no Mods come in just now. <BR><BR>No, the fish heads song is quite different. It's just about fish heads (they sing the chorus a ton of times) and the things you can and cannot do with them. <BR><BR>Getting back to Legolas:<BR><BR>How do we suppose him to acquire this awful wound? Does Aragorn stumble upon him lying as if dead on the battlefield? Is the Fellowship attacked by Uruk-hai? Does he attempt to leap up onto his horse, miss, and break his neck? <BR><BR>Oh, I feel horrible plotting such evil things for him. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby NimrodelSong » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:32 pm

<strong>Doni</strong>, actually if I was going to imagine Legolas wounded, it would be by an orcish arrow...<em>(poor darling)</em><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Nim~
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Postby !bob! » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:16 am

Hurray I have found people as weird as I am!!!<BR>I reckon Legolas would be scouting ahead, and then an orc shoots an arrow into his shoulder. And then Aragorn finds him.<BR>My mate Matt says: Gollum is cool. And so is treebeard. And legolas. And aragorn. And...you get the idea.<BR>Don't mind him, he's strange.<BR>Bob.<BR>P.S He wouldn't miss if he leaped onto a horse. He is too Elvish-ly sprightly.
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Postby NimrodelSong » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:46 am

<BR><em>I reckon Legolas would be scouting ahead, and then an orc shoots an arrow into his shoulder. And then Aragorn finds him</em><BR><BR><strong>!bob!</strong>, that sounds good. That's almost exactly how I would imagine it. What do you think, <strong>Doni</strong>?<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Nim~
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Postby Eowyn37 » Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:46 pm

<em>Does he attempt to leap up onto his horse, miss, and break his neck? </em><BR><BR>Oh dear. That would be awful. But very, <em>very</em> funny. I think I would try not to laugh but...oh my. I am having images of Legolas trying to jump on, and jumping too far and missing the horse entirely. I don't know why, but it's just so klutzy it's absolutely hilarious. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I think I would have to agree with Nim and !bob!. Because, that just seems like the best way for him to get injured. Or else, he gets shot in the leg instead of the shoulder. <BR><BR>The urge to write a fan-fiction where dear Leggy gets shot is just overpowering!<BR><BR>-Wyny<BR><BR>(That makes up for my previously off-topic post! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)
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Postby Aurelin » Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:49 pm

I agree with the aforementioned too.<BR><BR>AS a matter of fact Tolkien did have him injured in an early draft in Khazad-dum.<BR><BR>*goes to get HoMe vol.7*<BR><BR><em>"Over the Bridge," cried Gandalf. "Go on! Go on! This is a foe beyond any of you. I will hold the Bridge. Go on!"<BR>When they gained the door they turned, in spite of his command. The troll-figures strode across the fire carrying orcs across. The Balrog rushed to the Bridge-foot. Legolas [raised?] his bow, and [an] arrow pierced his shoulder. The bow fell useless.</em><BR>In this version Gimli tries to shoot Legolas' bow just before the bridge broke.<BR><BR>In the next version (this is the commentary of C. Tolkien):<BR><em> Following Legolas' crie "Ai! Ai! A Balrog is come!" it is told that "he turned to fly and an arrow struck him in the shoulder. He stumbled and began to crawl on all fours along the Bridge."</em><BR>JRR struck out the incident, then ticked it for retention, but it is absent from the next manuscript.<BR><BR><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> Aurelin <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby striderchick » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:04 pm

ahh finally.. i was getting a little worried that the posts would end before real defending orli posts began.. =P<BR><BR>but, in all seriousness, i fgood ol' peter jackson had let legolas get hurt, it would have added more suspense to the movie.. like aragorn falling off that cliff in TTT.. but, it'd only really work, if he wasn't seriously hurt.. if he just had like, a cut on his arm or something.<BR><BR>and to any who are under the opinion that the elf is all superhuman and never gets hurt, or dirty, it helps to look at the scene at helms deep when haldir arrives and legolas stands behind him as he talks to king theoden, legolas looks a little bruised or at least dirty.. ansd like he's seen a lot more sun than haldir<BR><BR>striderchick<BR><BR>Edit: er... i did have a major blonde moment when i sent this, as i didn't read all the posts.. i just read the first page.. so sorry if it doesn't make too much sense..
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Postby Donisiliel » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:01 pm

Ai! Cruel, cruel! Of all people to plot against Legolas, JRR Tolkien himself! <BR><BR><em>JRR struck out the incident, then ticked it for retention, but it is absent from the next manuscript.</em><BR><BR>Thank goodness! <BR><BR><strong>Wyny</strong>, my sister actually had a dream about Legolas falling off the horse after trying to leap onto its back. She says that Legolas was standing beside the horse, then jumped straight up into the air, did a few flips and landed in the saddle. The girth wasn't very tight, so the saddle slid off the horse's side, with Leggy falling too. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>Personally, I have no real theories about Leggy's injury. I don't want to see him mortally wounded. (No pun intended.) I just would like to see him receive some minor wounding to make him seem a little less invincible.<BR><BR>I think JRR's description is dreadful. The thought of Legolas crawling on his hands and knees after being shot is <em>horrid</em>! The only instance in which I'll allow him to walk on all fours is contained in my sig pic. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> Hmm...we could have Legolas opperate on himself ala Paul Bettany in "Master and Commander." That would be interesting and unconventional. In reality, Strider would probably just drag out the athelas and set to work. <BR><BR>~Doni
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Postby !bob! » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:49 pm

<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Yay everyones agreeing with me! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>I have actually done the falling off the horse thing!!!<BR>I got on it, but they hadn't fixed the saddle on properly and I fell off on the other side. It hurt. Although I suppose I should have tried not to land sitting straight up and practically break my bottom.<BR>But, steering attention away from my bottom, I think that Legolas crawling on all fours would dissolve his composed mask he always has. Anyone else I could imagine, but not him.<BR>Bob.
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