TTT, Book 3, Chapter 9 - Flotsam and Jetsam

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TTT, Book 3, Chapter 9 - Flotsam and Jetsam

Postby Notta Hobbit » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:08 pm

Summary

Gandalf and Theoden ride off to see Treebeard, and Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn bring each other up to date on their several adventures. The others note the invigorating effects of Entish drink on Pippin and Merry. Merry explains how Pippin found the Longbottom Leaf. After dinner Aragorn returns their knives and other belongings to them. Pippin gives a detailed account of their adventures up until their escape from Grishnakh. Merry picks up the tale from there, describing the actual attack on Isengard. Pippin then takes over again for the second half of the attack and Gandalf's night meeting with Treebeard afterward. Pippin then continues the story with the drowning of Isengard and the arrival of Grima.

Aragorn raises concern about how the "leaf" got from Southfarthing to Isengard and promises to mention it to Gandalf.

Questions

1. Is there any significance to which hobbit talks about which adventures?
2. What did Gandalf tell Treebeard in 15 minutes that made Treebeard think the hobbits weren't so hasty after all?
3. Shouldn't Grima have gotten to Saruman earlier (chronologically)?
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Re: TTT, Book 3, Chapter 9 - Flotsam and Jetsam

Postby Old_Begonia » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:39 pm

Q3- according to the timeline in Appendix B, Gandalf heals Theoden on March 2nd. That's when Wormtongue is dismissed, but he doesn't reach Isengard until the morning of the fifth. Why did it take so long? Well, despite his hasty retreat from the king's presence, he probably took some time to gather his things; who knows what time it might have been before he cleared the gate? He's no soldier, nor a Ranger. Éomer questioned whether a horse would even bear him. I'm thinking he spent a lot of time simply dealing with the horse. Also, being the great coward he is, he would have been trying to avoid ANY encounters, with anyone. So he'd be going cautiously, jumping at shadows, waiting til the way was clear, maybe even when there was no one there. I'm thinking he did well only taking two and a half days to get there.
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Re: TTT, Book 3, Chapter 9 - Flotsam and Jetsam

Postby Arvegil » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:33 am

Old_Begonia wrote:Q3- according to the timeline in Appendix B, Gandalf heals Theoden on March 2nd. That's when Wormtongue is dismissed, but he doesn't reach Isengard until the morning of the fifth. Why did it take so long? Well, despite his hasty retreat from the king's presence, he probably took some time to gather his things; who knows what time it might have been before he cleared the gate? He's no soldier, nor a Ranger. Éomer questioned whether a horse would even bear him. I'm thinking he spent a lot of time simply dealing with the horse. Also, being the great coward he is, he would have been trying to avoid ANY encounters, with anyone. So he'd be going cautiously, jumping at shadows, waiting til the way was clear, maybe even when there was no one there. I'm thinking he did well only taking two and a half days to get there.


Agreed. Also: just how enthused would Grima be to go and report the failure of his mission?
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Postby oikeroi » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:19 pm

Q1: the "story teller" in the chapter "the uruk hai" is Pippin. It is only naturally that he will be the one that tells this part of the story. Merry was quit spent most of the time. The second part is told by Merry who at the end of the chapter "takes control" and leads both to Fangorn and eventually Treabeard, so I guess it is likely that he will tell the second part.
Q2: I think he told him about the battle of helm;s deep and he asked for the help of the huorns. Tellin all that would take 15 min even when dealing with beings not as un-hasty as the ents.
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