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Postby Parador~J » Sun May 12, 2002 8:48 pm

***UNDER CONSTRUCTION***

Updating in progess: 03/2007

I'm piecing this back together literally. Each time you check back with the library...there will be another bookcase added :wink:
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"My library is now in order; and nearly all the things that I thought were lost have turned up"---JRR Tolkien,1969

Welcome to The Tolkien Virtual Resource Library... 'Come in, walk around and find your favorite links. Or come and sit down...Tea? Relax in front of the warm fire and enjoy the world of Tolkien and other related articles. if you cannot find what you are looking for...just ask, I will be glad to assist you...some way, some how...I will find the subject you are looking for, whether it is about Beowulf, Elves, Dwarves, languages or the long roads of Middle-earth...or about the man himself, J.R.R. Tolkien.

Research Papers?�may be I can be of assistance

If you have a link (book) you would like to share with us�just post it in the Library's threads...and we can then add it to the Library of links!

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"The devotion to 'learning', as such and without reference to one's own repute, is a high and even in a sense spiritual vocation"---Letter's of JRR Tolkien, 1963

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ARRAKIS: The Great Library...The JRR Tolkien Archives

Artwork Gallery & Images

Artist UK�If you want prints�they are here! Incredible selection of artist renderings of Fantasy: Alan Lee to Vallejo�pencils to oils.

Art of the Fellowship of the Ring

Art of the Hildebrant Brothers

Art of the Silmarillion

Eldar Fantasy Art Gallery

Rolozo Tolkien Fan Artwork



Tolkien Inspired Artwork Gallery

Tolkien's Oxford...'This is a set of photos of places in Oxford associated with the life of J.R.R. Tolkien'

World of Middle-earth in Art

Astronomical objects in Middle-earth The stars of Arda translated from Quenya to English and beyond


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Beowulf

Adventures of Beowulf...Beowulf exists in only one manuscript. This copy survived both the wholesale destruction of religious artifacts during the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII and a disastrous fire which destroyed the library of Sir Robert Bruce Cotton (1571-1631). The poem still bears the scars of the fire, visible at the upper left corner of the photograph. The Beowulf manuscript is now housed in the British Library, London.
Beowulf Excellent website!
Beowulf Resources�Resources for studying Beowulf
Electronic Beowulf: a guide� 'The Electronic Beowulf is an image-based edition of Beowulf, the great Old English poem surviving in the British Library in a composite codex known as Cotton Vitellius A�

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Classic�s Online

Classics at the Online Literature Library�From Aesop, Dostoevsky�from Tolstoy to Voltair. Online Literature helps to bring the classics to your living room and beyond! For research or just to get acquainted with the timeless classics; one cannot leave this place without feeling the touch of yesteryears great writers.

Classics Unveiled...Greek Mythology, Roman History, Roman life, and Latin vocabulary and derivative

Legends...'HISTORY � LITERATURE � FOLKLORE � FICTION � THE ARTS': �FOR over a thousand years, storytellers have spun tales of King Arthur of Britain, his Queen Guinevere, and the circle of his noble Knights. Why do these stories endure? How does an outlaw in Lincoln green with a taste for disguise and foolery survive for six hundred years to inspire disguised tricksters from Alta California to Revolutionary France to the farthest reaches of the galaxy? ���This is Legends, Paula Kate Marmor's personal journey through the worlds of Robin Hood, King Arthur, D'Artagnan, and other swashbuckling characters of balladry, fiction, and film, from the shores of Avalon to the dungeons of Zenda.�

Shakespeare On The Web...To Be or not to Be...which will it Be?!� Our Shakespeare section contains thousands of pages of content on the life and work of the world's greatest author, including eNotes to more than 20 titles

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D.R.A.G.O.N.S.��Dragonic Research Alliance for Gainful Observation also Non-Lucrative Society...'Who has never felt a fascination for that most breathtaking of creatures, the dragon? It is hard to believe that these creatures have never existed when they are so present in the people mind, in the past of the human history, from the America to the Asia passing through Europe, all culture have someday describe a creature that can, today, be identified to a same living thing: a dragon.'--Tempest


Dragon Archives�'Welcome to this Dragon lair! This archive is the largest archive of Dragon pictures, Dragon stories, and Dragon poems that I have found on the web--Saberfire

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Encyclopedia...Dictionary's & Libraries...online

Encyclopedia of Arda�'The Encyclopedia of Arda is a personal project - a tribute to and a celebration of the works of J.R.R. Tolkien. The site is intended to evolve into an illustrated hypertext encyclopedia of Tolkien's realms and peoples. This lies a long way in the future, though; if the regions of Eä are vast beyond the thought of Elves and Men1, so too are the works of J.R.R. Tolkien'--Encycl. of Arda

Perseus Digital Library� 'Perseus is an evolving digital library, engineering interactions through time, space, and language. Our primary goal is to bring a wide range of source materials to as large an audience as possible. We anticipate that greater accessibility to the sources for the study of the humanities will strengthen the quality of questions, lead to new avenues of research, and connect more people through the connection of ideas.' --Gregory Crane, Editor-in-Chief

Tolkien Encyclopedia...interactive edition. A project created in 1998 by the Valar Guild

Tolkien Monster Encyclopedia�'This page is devoted to all the monsters and races belonging to darkness. Here you will find Orcs, Goblins, Balrogs and many more fearsome creatures.'

Essay's on Tolkien & Middle-earth


Essays on Tolkien's Middle Earth ....'The following personal writings enquire into various aspects of Middle Earth, using J.R.R Tolkien's written works, combined with common sense and imagination, to provide a fuller picture of the topic'

Fantasy Literature in JRR Tolkien's Work ...this website also includes an interview with Tolkien... 'First broadcast in January 1971 on the BBC Radio 4 programme.

Middle-earth Science Pages...''I offer you almost pure text essays on Tolkien's Middle-earth, the probably most detailed and perfect secondary world created in literature'

Monsters and the Critics: and Other Essays...'The essays printed in The Monsters and the Critics were originally delivered as occasional lectures. The eponymous "The Monsters and the Critics" is a trenchant look at the critical tradition on Beowulf and "On Translating Beowulf" is an introduction to its language and metre '

Tolkien: Archetype and Word...'The Lord of the Rings embodies an "inherent morality,"[1] as Tolkien calls it, which derives largely from the traditions of Christian and epic poetry. Yet the trilogy is not explicitly religious, and is neither allegorical nor doctrinal. Tolkien well knows that the Dantesque form of Christian epic, wherein history effortlessly assumes the framework of dogma, cannot be successfully imitated in post-Romantic times.'---an essay by Patrick Grant, a specialist in Renaissance literature, teaches English at the University of Victoria, British Columbia--Cross Currents

Tolkien's Catholic Imagination...'Great books have much to fear from blockbuster movies. And Peter Jackson's new film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings, set to be released in theaters next month, poses such a threat. Mesmerized by the cinematic eye-candy, the spin-off toys and games, and the fast-food tie-ins, fans who enter J.R.R. Tolkien's world of Middle-earth for the first time through Jackson's film might never bother to read Tolkien's epic. Sadder still, they might never learn about the Catholic imagination that inspired it.'

Tolkien's Legendarium...Essays on 'The History of Middle-earth. Edited by Verlyn Flieger & Carl F. Hostetter: Winner of The Mythopoeic Society's 2002 Mythopoeic Scholarship Award for Inklings Studies

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Postby Parador~J » Sun May 12, 2002 8:59 pm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<b><u>Supplementary Reading</u></b>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><BR><u>Reading Assignments</u><i> >notes taken from Novice's main thread<</i><BR><BR><u>COMMON ABBREVIATIONS</u><BR><BR>BoLT 1 and 2 = Book of Lost Tales 1 and 2 (HoMe 1 and 2)<BR>CT = Christopher Tolkien<BR>HoMe = History of Middle Earth<BR>Lays = Lays of Beleriand (HoMe 3)<BR>Letters = The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien<BR>LoTR = Lord of the Rings<BR>LR (?) = The Lost Road (HoMe 5)<BR>MR (?) = Morgoth's Ring (HoMe 10)<BR>Narn = Narn i hin Hurin (from UT)<BR>PoME= Peoples of Middle Earth (HoMe 12)<BR>QS = Quenta Silmarillion <BR>TH = The Hobbit<BR>TS or Silm = The Silmarillion<BR>SoME = the Shaping of Middle Earth (HoMe 4)<BR>UT = Unfinished Tales<BR>WoTJ = War of the Jewels (HoMe 11)<BR><BR>*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*<BR><BR><BR><b>May 27, 2002-Monday</b> / Silmarillion: <i>Ainulindale / Valaquenta</i> (26 pages)<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/TheWhiteCouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=53&threadid=47950">Section 1: 'Ainulindalë' and 'Valaquenta' Thread 1A</a> (Closed)<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/TheWhiteCouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=53&threadid=48385">Section 1: 'Ainulindalë' and 'Valaquenta' Thread 1B (Now open)</a> <BR><BR><u>Suggested Supplementary reading for this section</u> <BR><BR>*<b>Optional Reading</b><BR><BR><UL><BR><li>Genesis chapters 1-3 in the King James Version of The Bible <a target=new href="http://www.cforc.com/kjv/Genesis/index.html">http://www.cforc.com/kjv/Genesis/index.html</a><BR><BR><li><a target=new href="http://www.hti.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html">Bible, Revised Standard Version</a><BR><BR><li><a target=new href="http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/rsv.browse.html">Bible, RSV 2</a> Old and New Testaments, with the Apocrypha<BR><BR><li><a target=new href="http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/index.htm">New American Bible</a><BR><BR><BR><i>Books considered to be inspired and canonical by the Catholic Church</i><BR><BR>- Tobit<BR>- Judith<BR>- Wisdom of Solomon<BR>- Sirach (Ecclesiasticus)<BR>- Baruch (including the Letter of Jeremiah, listed separately )<BR>- 1 and 2 Maccabees<BR><BR><li>Paradise Lost Book by John Milton <a target=new href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/research/milton/reading_room/pl/book_1/text.shtml">http://www.dartmouth.edu/research/milton/reading_room/pl/book_1/text.shtml</a><BR><BR><li>Ainulindale in The Book of Lost Tales 1 (HoME 1), The Lost Road (HoME 5) and Morgoth's Ring (HoME 10), which has "Flat Earth" and "Round Earth" versions<BR><BR><li>The Ambarkanta "shape of the world" in The Shaping of Middle Earth (HoME 4)<BR><BR><li>The Ethics of Elfland by G.K. Chestertion <a target=new href="http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dcs6mpw/gkc/books/orthodoxy/ch4.html">http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dcs6mpw/gkc/books/orthodoxy/ch4.html</a> <BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><b><u>July 1, 2002- Monday</u></b><BR><BR>*Quenta Silmarillion Chapters 1-3; 27 pages<BR><BR><u>Suggested Supplementary reading for this section</u><BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><b><u>August 1, 2002-Thursday</u></b><BR><BR>*Quenta Silmarillion Chapters 4-7; 22 pages<BR><BR><u>Suggested Supplementary reading for this section</u><BR><BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><b><u>September 1, 2002-Sunday</b></u><BR><BR>*Chapters 8-9; 23 pages<BR><BR><u>Suggested Supplementary reading for this section</u><BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR><BR><b><u>October 1, 2002-Tuesday</b></u><BR><BR>*Chapters 10-12; 20 pages<BR><BR><u>Suggested Supplementary reading for this section</u>
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Postby spd » Mon May 13, 2002 12:19 pm

Hello P~J! If you're taking suggestions for supplementary reading, then may I please suggest the chapter, The Ethics of Elfland, from G.K. Chesterton's <i>Orthodoxy</i>? Chesterton distills a lot of his thought here regarding the importance of having an active imagination, particularly as regards to creating fantasy worlds (ie, sub-creation). <BR><BR>The book can be found at <a target=new href="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ27.HTM">The G.K. Chesterton Mega-Links Page</a>. Toggle down to GKC Writings online, click on <i>Orthodoxy</i> and click on that chapter. <BR><BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR><BR>
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Postby wilko185 » Mon May 13, 2002 12:51 pm

A good place to find out-of-copyright "classic" works, which may be relevant here (eg Beowulf, Dante, Shakespeare etc) is <a target=new href="http://promo.net/pg/">The Gutenberg Project</a>. Another good place for links is <a target=new href="http://www.ipl.org/">The Internet Public Library</a> (including some Tolkien reviews).<BR><BR>Couple more links which might be useful<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.forodrim.org/arda/tbchron.html">Complete Tolkien Bibliography</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://members.ozemail.com.au/~sdgeard/hccnum.html">A Complete Chronology of Numenor (including Arnor and Gondor)</a>
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Postby Parador~J » Mon May 13, 2002 3:07 pm

Thank~you spd <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>...I knew I could count on you!...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Heads up on the Supplementary reading...if I am understanding it right...I will be sectioning off a month-to-month suppplementary reading list...each section representing the book and area we are reading<BR><BR>Excellent Wilko!...Thank~you <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>...I will check into it and add it to the List of library links...<BR><BR>I will be getting started on the library links later on this evening...
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Postby Fingolfin_of_the_Noldor » Mon May 13, 2002 3:24 pm

Here are a couple more links to suppliment those I and others posted on the other page:<BR><BR><a target=new href="https://home.attbi.com/~gdouglassjr/Numenor1.html">https://home.attbi.com/~gdouglassjr/Numenor1.html</a><BR><BR>Here are some for the most part accurate maps of Numenor:<BR><BR>An English->quenya wordlist. though many words are outdated nevertheless pretty useful:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/4101/e-q.html">E->Q</a><BR><BR>here are a number of scanned maps, those which depict Minas Tirith(and the battles nigh) may prove useful when we get into lotr though they may not be perfect<BR><BR> <a target=new href="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/9357/maps.htm">Maps of Gondor</a><BR><BR>here is a pretty good site for general ME maps and though it is down now when it is back up it might very well prove useful to some given the wide-range:<BR><BR> <a target=new href="http://www.lotrmaps.cjb.net/">100+ maps</a>
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Postby spd » Mon May 13, 2002 6:44 pm

Any time, P~J! I don't know if it's online or not, but T.E. Shippey's "J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of the Century" should be indespensible for this discussion group. There's a whole chapter devoted to the Sil. I wrote a review for my paper and can post it here tomorrow, if you want.
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Postby Parador~J » Mon May 13, 2002 9:16 pm

Thank_you Fingolfin...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Yes, Shippey's book is very good, I bought it not to long ago...I will look for it on the Net spd...thank-you <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>Time is 1am <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I just finished the supplemenary post...let me know of any changes I need to make or mistakes I may have made...as for the library portion I will attack it tomorrow...I had some ''Event gathering' things to catch up with <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby wilko185 » Mon May 13, 2002 11:05 pm

I believe the second edition of the Sil contains a letter Tolkien wrote to Milt Waldman in the introduction. This is well worth reading and shouldn't be skipped. Readers with older editons of the Sil will find the bulk of the letter as #131 in <i>The Letters of JRR Tolkien</i>. Perhaps this could be added to the reading list? (If need be I can post the text of the letter here).<BR><BR>I haven't read <i>Author of the Century</i>, but more than one person on these boards has recommended Shippey's previous book <i>The Road to Middle-earth</i> as being even better. The majority of this book is concerned with LOTR, but it offers great insight into Tolkien's general approach to writing. Either or both of Shippey's books, and <i>Letters</i>, and Carpenter's biography, should be on the reading list of any really serious Tolkien fan.
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Postby Gwindor » Tue May 14, 2002 2:31 am

I have nothing to add but I wanted to say great job! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby greenleafwood » Tue May 14, 2002 1:23 pm

I echo Gwindor's words and applaud all those who have spent so much time and effort getting this project onto its feet!<BR><BR><BR>greenleaf
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Postby spd » Wed May 15, 2002 1:25 pm

One more suggestion, P~J.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Joseph Pearce's "J.R.R. Tolkien: Man and Myth," is an excellent resource. Pearce examins Tolkien's writing by examining his Catholicism. Pearce is a professor at Ave Maria College in Michigan and recently participated in a debate there on how faithful the movie LOTR:FOTR was to Tolkien's writing (taking the side of the movie). See the TORC main page for the story on that.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby maldrigel » Wed May 15, 2002 2:44 pm

may i recommend a book by Ruth S. Noel 'the mythology of middle earth'.<BR>it's not a particularly scholary work, but its written in straight forward english and touches on many of themes of LOTR that are an echo of folklore or mythology, e.g subterranean descent, denial of death and fate.
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Postby -Rómestámo- » Wed May 15, 2002 2:47 pm

(Repeated from the "The Silmarillion (added links!). How should it be approached?" Thread.)<BR><BR>An online version of the Kalevala can be found at <a target=new href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/index.htm">Kalevala</a><BR>While it is not the best translation available (it dates from 1888 and uses 'W' in the Germanic fashion, rather than 'V' as is accepted modern practice (thus Vainamoinen is 'Wainamoinen' throughout...)), it is, at least, online and freely available. <BR> <BR>Other useful texts- including Elder and Prose Eddas and Beowulf (in Modern English <i>and</i> Anglo-Saxon) can be found at <BR><a target=new href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm">Internet Sacred Text Archive<BR></a><BR><BR>(Perhaps this thread could be limited to posts that actually <u>link</u> to resources, and previous contributors with new links could add them to their previous posts (via 'edit') in order to keep the "Virtual Library" at a manageable length?) <BR>
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Postby maldrigel » Wed May 15, 2002 3:21 pm

romestano has a good suggestion there, as a 'virtual' library it would be logical for all reference material held within to be accessible via the net.<BR><BR>however we shouldn't ignore those of us(me included) who have limited access to a computer but find more time in their day to read the old fashion way on paper.<BR><BR>
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Postby Parador~J » Wed May 15, 2002 11:29 pm

Help!...<BR><BR>How do I get the URL to show up as a title link so everyone can see the name of the site..such as 'Encyclopedia of Arda' and can then click on it...I have tried and cannot get it to work <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Someone's help will be greatly appreciated...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby spd » Thu May 16, 2002 8:20 am

P~J, I'd paste the code here, but it would just show up as a hyperlink and wouldn't do you any good. Click on the symbold button below the posting box and the code is there. Basically, after typing the "[" and the "L," make a space and then type "url=" and then the web address itself, followed by a ". Then type a "]" and then the name of the website, or whatever name you'd like to give the link, and then the [ and / and L and ]. E-mail me if you have any questions. E-mail me anyway, as I had to leave rather abruptly last night when we were chatting.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> <BR><BR><BR>Use sean.dailey@sj-r.com, btw, 'cause that's where I am now.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Parador~J » Thu May 16, 2002 9:16 am

Thank-you spd!...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Your instructions helped me out...I can see where I messed up at <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I will get back on it tonight...
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Postby TheWagner » Thu May 16, 2002 12:32 pm

Nice reading list, although I would not be long for the world were I to give such a long supplementary reading list to a class! (Not that natural history courses could do so easily.)<BR><BR>That being said, I notice that the Biblical readings are from the King James version. I do not think that there are major differences, but would not the Roman Catholic version be more appropriate, given Tolkien was RC and not Anglican? <BR><BR>Also, it is a bit of an aside, but are there any rabbinical scholars around who know and understand the original Hebraic verses? Given Tolkien's interest in the relationship between language and mythology, that might offer an interesting contrast. It is, I acknowledge, a little of the topic, though. <BR><BR>
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Postby FrodoTook » Thu May 16, 2002 12:53 pm

Hey P~J<BR><BR>To post a "worded" link, first copy and paste the following<BR><BR><BR>[*l url=your link]your description[/l*]<BR><BR>----------------------------<BR><BR>Now<BR><BR>1) Where indicated above, place your actual link <BR>and your description.<BR><BR>2) Delete the two *s ( on either side of the lower case Ls )<BR><BR>3) Be sure to leave the brackets as shown.<BR><BR>That should do the trick.<BR><BR>FT<BR><BR>ps: A wonderful thread you have here. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>I just asked to be part of the Virtual Study Group.<BR><BR>pps: Great to see you again Lady of Gondor.<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=23795">TESTING</a> the above instructons.<BR><BR>Yes, it works.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Parador~J » Thu May 16, 2002 1:29 pm

FT!!!...your're the greatest my friend!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> and I am glad to have you with us in the virtual classroom!...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR> <BR>*<i>I think it's going to work this time</i>...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>TheWagner...the list is from suggestions posted by other TORCer's and from those creating the reading assignments...all optional reading...and I will edit it into the post <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I don't want people to think they have to read all that is suggested...<BR><BR>The Roman Catholic version would be a good idea...I will talk with Wilko, Novice or Master G about it...Thank-you Wagner <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>
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Postby spd » Fri May 17, 2002 7:51 am

Parador, I've been searching for an online Catholic Bible but have so far been unsuccessful. But I'll keep trying! The difference is important, beyond just the translations, because the Catholic Bible contains a number of books rejected by Protestants during the Reformation, particularly the first and second books of Maccabees. <BR><BR>What I'm looking for is called the Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition. There are plenty of RSVs out there, but only the Catholic Edition contains all the books to be found in an authentic Catholic Bible, as it was compiled in the fourth century.
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Postby Fingolfin_of_the_Noldor » Fri May 17, 2002 10:51 am

I found this online text page for the bible with includes those books:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.hti.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html">RSV Bible</a><BR><BR>and this:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/rsv.browse.html">RSV Bible2</a><BR><BR><BR>I also recentely found out about this little nugget:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://baggins.cjb.net/">Tolkien Temrs Dictionary Computer Program Official download page</a><BR><BR>I have not actually downloaded this yet(like I said i just found out) but as it does seem to be connected in a way to the Encyclopedia of Arda it may very well be a useful/credible reasource. <BR><BR>there is also an interesting interview on the bottm of the page <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>EDIT:<BR><BR>I don't know if these would qualify as "resources" per se but they could prove useful in communicating how various writtings are taken(eg if I felt a specific reindition reflected my views well I could post a link to it and explain):<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.nightrunner.com/gallery/html/index.html">JRR Tolkien Inspired Artwork</a><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://fan.theonering.net/rolozo/">Rolozo Tolkien</a><BR><BR>and here is a scan of a detailed lotr map poster:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://home.attbi.com/~gdouglassjr/LotRPosterScan.jpg">LOTR Poster</a>
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Postby TheWagner » Sat May 18, 2002 2:37 pm

Parador~J,<BR><BR>It is a good list - I wasn't complaining in any way! However, there is a difference when people are doing things for fun and when they are doing things for grade. Where I teach (U. Chicago), the undergraduates would not distinguish between required and recommended. Hence, lynching would be in order...<BR><BR>If I recall, the primary difference between RC and Anglican or Lutheran bibles is that the latter omit all chapters originally written in Greek. That obviously does not apply to Genesis. However, there might be some minor differences in translation - I have no idea if these form the basis for any theological differences. <BR><BR>However, I am surprised the Pope does not have a link on his home page....<BR>
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Postby Parador~J » Sat May 18, 2002 2:45 pm

This is really nice Fingolfin <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>...Thank-you...<BR><BR>The Tolkien term dictionary is a plus my friend!...great job! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Parador~J » Sat May 18, 2002 3:01 pm

I know you were not complaining TheWagner...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>I was giving further insite as to where we were getting the suggested reading list...We welcome your suggestions and ideas...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>I find the information on the Bibles interesting...so much I don't know about religions'...<BR><BR>and Thank-you spd!...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> ...you too are the greatest!<BR>
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Postby Alexandros » Sun May 19, 2002 5:24 am

Hey, I haven't been here for a while. Sorry about that. I have a site that give lots of free ebooks..classics mainly, I think it might help. Here's the link<BR><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.cyberread.com/free_ebooks/free_cat.asp">http://www.cyberread.com/free_ebooks/free_cat.asp</a><BR><BR>Hope this helps..it has classics, Greco-Roman stuff..lots of shakespear..etc.<BR><BR>
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Postby Alys » Sun May 19, 2002 8:00 am

Just a note to say how much I appreciate all the hard work you are doing on our behalf.<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby spd » Sun May 19, 2002 10:47 am

Thank you very much for those links, Fingolfin of the Noldor. The Apocrypha listed in both those links include some books the Catholic Church regards as inspired and canonical, and some it doesn't. <BR><BR>Books from lists in both links considered by the Catholic Church to be inspired and canonical are...<BR><BR>- Tobit<BR>- Judith<BR>- Wisdom of Solomon<BR>- Sirach (Ecclesiasticus)<BR>- Baruch (including the Letter of Jeremiah, listed separately )<BR>- 1 and 2 Maccabees<BR><BR>The rest I've never heard of. Paulina, if you paste those links from Fingolfin in your first or second post, could you include my list also, so people don't get confused? Thanks.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Alexandros » Mon May 20, 2002 3:04 am

Errr..sorry to be off topic here, but I think Novice needs to be convinced that he/she (?) is good enough to run this place.. Seems pretty upset about the recent posts about being elitist.. I'm really concerned.. Do you think we should do something?
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