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Postby Novice » Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:26 pm

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FOR QUESTIONS AND TALK

1. Superceded aside/talk thread: (not current)

2. The Silmarillion Aside/Talk thread: here

3. The Hobbit Aside/Talk thread (not current): Sign on, ask questions

4. The Lord of the Rings Aside/Discussion thread (current):here

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BACKGROUND MATERIAL AND RESOURCES

1. The Silmarillion - How should it be approached: Background essays to assist understanding

2. The Tolkien Virtual 'Resource' Library: Vast catalogue of resources and links

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GENERAL TOPIC THREADS

1. JRRT?s character as reflected in The Silmarillion

2. Literary technique in The Silmarillion

3. Modern Comparisons and Applicability

4. [Comparing The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings

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CHAPTER DISCUSSION THREADS QUENTA SILMARILLION

1. Section I - Ainulindale and Valaquenta: Discussion thread 1A On the making of Arda and the coming of the Valar

Discussion continued in:

2. Section I - Ainulindale and Valaquenta : Discussion thread 1B On the making of Arda and the coming of the Valar

3. Section II - Chapters 1 to 3: Discussion thread

4. Section II Sub thread: Cuivienen and the awakening of the Elves

5. AT A GLANCE: Section II - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 1 to 3concise summaries of points brought up in discussion

6. Section III - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 4 to 7 of Thingol and Melian, Eldamar, Feanor, the Unchaining of Melkor, the creation of the Silmarils

7. AT A GLANCE: Section III - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 4 to 7 concise summaries

8. Section IV - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 8 and 9 On the Darkening of Valinor and the Flight of the Noldor

9. AT A GLANCE Section IV - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 8 and 9 concise summaries

10. Parody of study portion Chapters 8 and 9 Virtually Risible

11. Section V - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 10, 11 and 12 Of the Sindar, the Sun and Moon, the Hiding of Valinor and the coming of Men

12. AT A GLANCE Section V ? Quenta Silmarillion ? Chapters 10, 11 and 12 concise summaries

13. Section VI - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 13 and 14 Return of the Noldor; of Beleriand and its Realms

14. AT A GLANCE: Section VI - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 13 and 14 concise summaries

15. Section VII - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapters 15, 16 and 17 The making of Gondolin and Nargothrond, of Maeglin, the coming of Men into the West

16. Section VIII - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapter 18 The Ruin of Beleriand and fall of Fingolfin

17. Section IX - Quenta Silmarillion - Chapter 19 Of Beren and Luthien

18. Section X - QUENTA SILMARILLION - Chapter 20 On Nirnaeth Arnoediad (Unnumbered Tears)

19. Section XI - QUENTA SILMARILLION - Chapter 21 Of Turin Turambar and Nienor Niniel

20. Section XII ? QUENTA SILMARILLION ? Chapters 22, 23 and 24 On the ruin of Doriath, the Fall of Gondolin and the voyage of Ëarendil

21. Section XIII? QUENTA SILMARILLION ? Akallabeth On the downfall of Numenor

22. Section XIV - QUENTA SILMARILLION - Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age Discussion thread

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CHAPTER DISCUSSION THREADS "THE HOBBIT"

1. Chapter 1: 'An Unexpected Party'

2. Chapter 2: 'Roast Mutton'

3. Chapter 3: 'A Short Rest'

4. Chapter 4: 'Over Hill and Under Hill'

5. Chapter 5: 'Riddles in the Dark'

6. Chapter 6: 'Out of the frying pan into the fire'

7. Chapter 7: 'Queer Lodgings'

8. Chapter 8: 'Flies and Spiders'

9. Chapter 9: 'Barrels out of Bonds'

10. Chapters 10 & 11: 'A Warm Welcome' and 'On the Doorstep'

11. Chapter 12: 'Inside Information'

12. Chapters 13 & 14: 'Not At Home' and 'Fire and Water'

13. Chapters 15 & 16: 'The Gathering of the Clouds' and 'A Thief in the Night'

14. Chapters 17, 18 & 19: 'The Clouds Burst', 'The Return Journey' and 'The Last Stage'

15. The final section: Brief summary and gleanings from the text

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CHAPTER DISCUSSION THREADS "THE LORD OF THE RINGS"

1. The Lord of the Rings Talk/Aside thread Time table of study schedule, sign on, ask questions

The Fellowship of the Ring

2. FoTR Book 1 Chapter 1: 'A Long Expected Party'
Bilbo's departure and foreshadowing the Ring's true power.

3. FoTR Book 1 Chapter 2: 'The Shadow of the Past'
The backstory of Sauron, Gollum, and the Ring, and the provide the motivation for the Quest.

4. FoTR Book 1 Chapter 3: 'Three is Company'
Sale of Bag End, Frodo's departure, the encounter with Gildor

5. FOTR Book 1 Chapters 4 & 5: 'Shortcut to Mushrooms'/'Conspiracy Unmasked'
The Black Riders appear; Farmer Maggot and the flight to the Ferry; the four hobbits are to set forth together.

6. FOTR Book 1 Chapter 6: 'The Old Forest'
Encounter with Old Man Willow; rescue by Tom Bombadil and the first respite of the journey.

7. FOTR Book 1 Chapter 7: 'In the House of Tom Bombadil'
Meeting Goldberry; Frodo's dream of Gandalf; Tom is confided in and gives advice; the Ring has no power over Tom.

8. FOTR Book 1 Chapter 8: 'Fog on the Barrow-downs'
The hobbits captured by a barrow-wight; Tom Bombadil rescues them and disperses barrow; hobbits finally reach Bree.

9. FOTR Book 1 Chapters 9 & 10: 'At the Sign of the Prancing Pony/Strider'
On arrival at the Pony, the hobbits find Gandalf has not arrived; Pippin entertains the crowd, with disastrous results as the Ring reveals itself; we meet Strider; Black Riders are seen/felt; the hobbits sleep under Strider's watch.

10. FOTR Book 1 Chapter 11: A Knife in the Dark
Attack at Crickhollow; attack on The Prancing Pony in Bree; very public departure from Bree with Strider; journey through the back country to Weathertop. The Black Riders attack at Weathertop and Frodo injured.

11. FOTR Book 1 Chapter 12: Flight to the Ford
Long, fear-filled days and nights of walking, with injured Frodo, making all speed to Rivendell; meeting with elf lord, Glorfindel, in the nick of time as the Nine converge on the Ford. Frodo flees astride Glorfindel's horse, Asfaloth; the river against the Nine. Frodo loses consciousness.

12. FOTR Book 2, Chapter 1: Many Meetings
Frodo wakens in Rivendell with his wound healed. We learn more about Aragorn, the nature of the Ringwraiths and what happened at the Ford. We meet Elrond, Arwen, Elladan and Elrohir, and Bilbo again. Frodo experiences a distressing episode when Bilbo asks to see the Ring.

13. FOTR Book 2, Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond
The back-history of the Ring retold and brief glimpse of what is occurring in many lands of Middle Earth and Saruman's betrayal. The Council decides to make an attempt at a final end to the Ring in the fires Mount Doom where it was made. Frodo volunteers to take the Ring to Mordor, with Sam to accompany him.

14. FOTR Book 2, Chapter 3: The Ring goes South
The Nine Walkers are chosen: Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Boromir, Merry and Pippin. Sword of Elendil is reforged and renamed Anduril and they set off. Crebain spy upon them. They attempt the pass of Caradhras but a malevolent storm turns them back.

15. FOTR Book 2, Chapter 4: A journey in the Dark
Following attack by wolves, they reluctantly agree to take the road through Moria. They reach the Gates though the path is oddly changed. The Watcher in the Water is roused; Gandalf discovers password and they hastily enter Moria. The Watcher destroys the Gate behind them and they commence the long journey in the dark. Pippin drops pebble into the depths, awakening the drums. Luminous eyes in the dark. Balin's tomb.

16. FOTR Book 2, Chapter 5: The Bridge of Khazad-dûm
Orcs attack them at Chamber of Records. Frodo is speared by mountain troll, presumed dead. Fight and retreat. Gandalf encounters a dark power. Flight to the Bridge. Recognition of the Balrog - only Gandalf can withstand it. Gandalf's final stand on the Bridge and fall into the abyss. The fellowship flees in grief and escapes Moria.

17. FOTR Book 2, Chapters 6 - 8: Lothlorien, The Mirror of Galadriel, Farewell to Lorien
Fellowship crosses Nimrodel, entering the enchanted realm, the Naith; elven border guards find them and they sleep in flets; Orc attack; party is blindfolded after rancorous debate.
Entry to city of the elves, Caras Galadhon; meeting with Galadriel and Celeborn, Lord and Lady; Galadriel tests their hearts; days of rest and coming to terms with their grief. Frodo looks into Galadriel's Mirror then offers Galadriel the Ring - she turns it down, passing her own test.
Departure feast; Galadriel gives them each elven cloak and brooch and personal significant gifts. Celeborn provides them with three boats and provisions. They depart, their hearts won over by Galadriel, particularly Gimli's.

18. FOTR Book 2 Chapters 9 - 10: The Great River, The Breaking of the Fellowship
The current of the Great River Anduin takes them; Sam spots Gollum following them. Boromir seems strangely troubled and Frodo feels foreboding. They pass the gates of the Argonath into Gondor and hear the roar of Rauros.
Final council to decide their path; Boromir attempts to take the Ring from Frodo - Frodo flees, decides to leave alone and remove the temptation of the Ring from his companions. Orcs attack, the party scatters confused. Boromir falls defending Merry and Pippin who are taken by the orcs. Boromir repents and confesses to Aragorn at his death. Sam and Frodo depart unseen for the East bank and the Emyn Muil.

The Two Towers
(with thanks to Siddharth for preparing some of the summaries, and Lacklustre for slogging through to get links)

19. TTT, Book 3, Chapters 1 and 2: Departure of Boromir / Riders of Rohan

20. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 3: The Uruk-hai

21. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 4: Treebeard

22. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 5: The White Rider

23. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 6: The King of the Golden Hall

24. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 7: Helm's Deep

25. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 8: The Road to Isengard

26. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 9: Flotsam and Jetsam

27. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 10: The Voice of Saruman

28. TTT, Book 3, Chapter 11: The Palantir

29. TTT Book 4, Chapter 1: The Taming of Smeagol
Frodo and Sam wander in circles through the Emyn Muil; they encounter Gollum and he becomes their unwilling guide.

30. TTT Book 4, Chapter 2: The Passage of the Marshes
Gollum guides Frodo and Sam through the Dead Marshes towards the Black Gate; Frodo resorts to threatening Gollum with a knife to make him go forward.

31. TTT Book 4, Chapter 3: The Black Gate Is Closed
The trio reach the gate and witness armies of Easterlings enter it; Frodo affirms that he must enter Mordor; Gollum reveals there is a secret way and, despite their suspicion, the hobbits follow Gollum towards Minas Morgul, proceeding at night.

32. TTT Book 4, Chapter 4: Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit
They turn south and reach Ithilien; Gollum brings back rabbits and Sam makes stew; Sam's fire smokes and they are discovered by Faramir's men; Sam sees an Oliphaunt.

33. TTT Book 4, Chapter 5: The Window on the West
The hobbits learn of Boromir's death and Faramir's relation to him; they are taken to Henneth-Annun; Sam reveals all; Faramir vows that he would not take the Ring; Frodo gives in to exhaustion and confesses his plan.

34. TTT Book 4, Chapter 6: The Forbidden Pool
Gollum reappears, fishing in the big pool, and Frodo lures him into Faramir's hands to save his life; Faramir warns them against Cirith Ungol but lets them go.

35. TTT Book 4, Chapter 7: Journey to the Cross-Roads

36. TTT Book 4, Chapter 8: The Stairs of Cirith Ungol
They reach Morgul Vale, a nightmarish place. Hidden, they witness the Witch-King's army issue from the tower. They climb the Straight Stair and Winding Stair; Sam observes that the tales from first age are still going on with them in it; Sam inadvertently blights Gollum's only chance at redemption.

37. TTT Book 4, Chapter 9: Shelob's Lair

38. TTT Book 4, Chapter 10: The Choices of Master Samwise
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Postby Novice » Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:28 pm

Hope this is okay with everyone; it just facilitates easier access than having to go through the search engine every time a thread drops off the page. I'll update each time a new thread is started.

It would be good to bump this occasionally.
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Postby Novice » Thu Jul 18, 2002 7:25 pm

Just bumping to assist new comers.<BR>
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Postby -Rómestámo- » Wed Aug 07, 2002 11:31 am

Hi Novice, just a minor quibble. The link for thread number 7 should be <a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=53&threadid=47950">http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=53&threadid=47950</a>
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Postby Novice » Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:34 pm

Thank you, now fixed.<BR>
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Postby Novice » Sun Aug 18, 2002 7:12 pm

bumped for smile <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby Mahima » Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:01 am

Hey, nice work, Novice<BR><BR>(bump) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Novice » Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:05 am

updated with links for Section 4 threads.<BR>
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Postby -Rómestámo- » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:40 am

Bumped to maintain visibility.
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Postby Mahima » Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:30 am

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Postby Novice » Sat Sep 28, 2002 4:16 pm

Updated to include links to new AT A GLANCE threads (and thank you Twigs for the innovation in Section IV, and to Romestamo for taking on the task of preparing summaries for previous sections)<BR>
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Postby Novice » Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:07 pm

Updated to include Section V threads--sorry about the delay (hope no one actually noticed! :blush:
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Postby Novice » Tue Nov 19, 2002 5:35 am

Updated to include November 2002 thread--sorry it's so late, but I've just returned from vacation.<BR>
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Updated to include Dec 2002 discussion thread.<BR>
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Postby Novice » Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:17 pm

Updated to fix wonky links...and to include the November AT A GLANCE (thanks once again, Romestamo)...and to...errr...well, to bump the thread, actually. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Updated to include the January discussion thread
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Postby Novice » Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:54 pm

Updated to include the most recent discussion threads, and re-arranged for easier accessibility.
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Updated to include June 2003 discussion thread.
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Postby LinMar » Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:52 am

Greetings noble members of the study group.<BR>I much admire your dedication to the Master<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>So: a friendly bump here.
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Postby Novice » Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:45 pm

LinMar, hope to see your name on these threads again soon. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Index updated to include Chapter 20.
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Postby Novice » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:41 pm

Okay folks, updated to include the latest Chapter discussion.<BR><BR>You may notice some housekeeping going on in the Index proper; I'd like to make it easier to use so I may rearrange a little.
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Postby Gorhaur » Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:13 pm

Hi <b>Novice</b> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>!<BR><BR>The following threads are the only ones that came up when I clicked on the links:<BR><BR><UL><li>Sub thread: Cuivienen and the awakening of the Elves<li>Chapters 8 & 9<li>AT A GLANCE (8 & 9)<li>AT A GLANCE (13 & 14)<li>Chapter 20<li>Chapter 21</UL>The other ones just brought me back to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/">http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/</a>.<BR><BR>~>Gor<~
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Postby Novice » Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:05 pm

AAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Thanks Gorhaur...I think.... :wink:

No, seriously, I'm glad you're on your toes and providing feedback. I'd hate for a newcomer to try out a link, get discouraged and go away for good.

I'll go rearrange again....the problem is that every time a post with a hyperlink in it is edited, the hyperlink text does a little hula dance and rearranges itself. I have to check and amend EVERY SINGLE link every time I edit.
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Postby Novice » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:06 pm

Success!!!! :clap:

Thanks to my guardian angel wilks, the edit worked and the Index is now updated to include the two most recent discussion threads.
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Postby Novice » Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:52 pm

Updated with Mahima's new thread...and that brings us to the end of the Silmarillion! :cry:

It's been fun, it's been illuminating, it's been a peak experience I will never forget. Thank you all.
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Postby Novice » Mon May 10, 2004 8:05 pm

Index has now been updated and all hyperlinks should be functioning.

Please let me know by email at impishguard-general@yahoo.com.au if there are any problems, thanks.
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Postby Impenitent » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:25 pm

I'm ashamed at how long it has been since I updated this Index. :oops:

Don't have time to do so today but will be back within a couple of days to add all the new material and check all the links.

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Postby Impenitent » Thu May 05, 2005 11:03 pm

Index updated to include all The Hobbit discussion threads and the first of LoTR discussion.

Please let me know on novice_torc at yahoo dot com dot au if there are any problems with the index.
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Postby Impenitent » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:01 pm

Uupdated to include FoTR Chapter 6
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