The Lost King of Clan O'Neira: OOC.

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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:30 am

Well, since we're allowed to do RP's in Celtic forms, I thought I'd give it a try. This will be about a King who loses his authority over his clan based on its laws. What we're going to RP is his journey to grow as a person. Maybe he'll get his clan back...<BR><BR>So, here I'd like to gather those who wish to join and reaffirm and add to my knowledge and that of others about Celtic lifestyle.
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Postby Llinos » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:44 pm

I'm a pure celt so I'll join. I'm not sure what part to play, seeing as if the King loses his Clan would ha have to leave or would he live in the clan as a normal villiage person? But i suppose I'll be a villiage girl proper celt, and all. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 4:17 pm

Hey Llinos. I'll try to make things more clear as the story presents itself before me. I wonder how you can be a pure Celt, since they lived in such a wide area, France, Britain, Ireland... I have always loved the Ancient Celts! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby ElvenElder » Sat Aug 31, 2002 6:20 pm

Im 90% Irish and I think Ill fit in just fine in here.I dont know who I would be thouh.But over the years while i study Irish Gaelic I read about the Celtic Clans and I also collect swords and daggers.
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Postby orliesmyhusband » Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:16 pm

I would LOVE to join! Can we still be all etherial and stuff like elves but not as magical? I kind of enjoyed that....... can my name still be Oricon? *grins at questions* well Im PART Irish but the only thing I know about is its music is BEAUTIFUL! Im listening to Celtic Twilight 2 right now!<BR><BR>Oricon
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Postby Liadan » Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:58 pm

Hail Istari! I study Celtic civilizations and the Druids intensly since I am full blooded irish and feel a deep connection with them. <BR><BR>Oricon, If I may say, of course since it is Istari's thread he would make the decision but the Celts were Men, and their doom of death was with them, however there are faery's and such, the tuatha de.<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!<BR><BR><BR>"A land of youth, a land of rest,<BR>a land of sorrow free;<BR>it lies far off in the Golden West,<BR>on the verge of the azure sea.<BR>A swift canoe of crytal bright,<BR>that never met mortal view-<BR>We shall reach the land ere fall of night,<BR>in that swift and strong Canoe;<BR>We shall reach the strand<BR>of that sunny land,<BR>From druids and demons free;<BR>The land of rest,<BR>In the Golden West,<BR>On the vergeof the azure sea.<BR>- Creide, God of goldsmiths
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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:31 pm

Welome Elf Elder Oricon and Liadan! It'll be good to have you! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Well, there were the Tuatha de Danann, who were very much like elves from Tolkien, but they were the Gods to the Celts so I don't think so. They later became the faeries that Liadan speaks of. BTW are you Wiccan Liadan?<BR><BR>Anyway, do any of you know details about a woman's role in Celtic life? I know that they were treated equally more than they have been before, but could they have authority in religion? Most of the religious stuff was covered by the Kings and the Druids if I'm not mistaken.
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Postby Liadan » Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:40 pm

Istari, yes the Tuatha is what I spoke of, yes I am Wiccan, though I am continually studying and finding my way.<BR>Well, women did have an important role and were treated with a "higher respect." There were Druid Priestess' BUT not all women were Priestess and it took at least 20 years of intense studying to become one like all Druids- during pre-Christian Celtic time, though unfortunatly faded a bit as Christianity settled in.<BR><BR>Some question for you Istari, will this be with the Druids, and if so what regions? Ireland, Eastern Europe?<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:16 pm

I'm hoping to incorperate the Druids, and since I'm mst familiar with the Celts of Ireland, I think I'll be doing it there. Thanks for the information. I'm assuming by your irish settings and your love of the Celts that your either Celtic Wicca or in Druidry or Witta? You know, I am very interested in those particular places of Wicca, and would love to learn more. Maybe we can communicate further. My email is WhiteFenyx@yahoo.com if you're interested. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Liadan » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:26 pm

Well I am studying Celtic Wiccan and the Druids... I am fascinated by early Irish history, and I grew up with all the stories. We have an Irish History book that was written in about the 15th century or so... it's priceless. But back to the RP plot, I think Ireland would be great for it! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I have read a book called The War of The Irish Kings, it's really good and it incorporates the Tuatha De and such. You should think of which province, (Munster 'ore here,) and maybe time frame, if possible but I could try and help you out... My email is tbtwinkles@aol.com if you want to talk further on The Druids or anything for that matter.<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:40 pm

Thats very well Liadan. I'm glad I have people with much knowledge of the Celts to help me. I only just dabbled in their history and culture so I'll need it! I'm not sure which province I'm going to use, in fact, I think I need to be reminded of all of them. It has been a while since I went into the Irish history and myth...
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Postby Liadan » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:46 pm

Well there are four now Ulster, Leinster, Munster and Connaught but during the Celtic age and the Druids there were five, the four I mentioned above and the fifth being Mide... which is considered most important where the "noblest" of the Kings resided in. And that is the region I believe St. Patrick started out in.<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:58 pm

Ah, thank you for your information. I'm wondering though, which one was cursed with sickness and had to be saved by the hero Cuchulain(sp?) from the armies of another province?
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Postby Liadan » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:00 pm

I sm pretty sure that is Ulster... but I;ll have to recheak that.<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby Istariquendi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:27 pm

I thought so as well. Thanks again! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:25 am

Hey, no problem Istari, so do you have any ideas yet on how you'd like to present this?? Also, I would like my character to be a Druid Prietess...<BR> Okay so I am going to start posting my character profile and I will be adding more as the story unravals and I think more on my character.<BR> <BR> Name: Daron Kelly Dubheasa. Daron; "great," Kelly; "warrior women," Dubheasa; "dark lady of the waterfall." "Great warrior women," is her name in full. Dubheasa was added on by her teacher, Scathach, whom was the teacher of the great warrior Cu Chulainn of Ulster- because when Daron was not training she took for peace at Dark Waterfalls. However Scathach was only her teacher for a short time.<BR><BR>History: Daron trained with Scathach for some time and was learned in the art of battle and martial arts. However her heart grew restless, many time she was seen near the Waterfalls at night, for her love of the water and the night, came from her mother whom she knew little of, except from the stories Scathach told her. After some time she left Scathach with her blessings and traveled to Connaught to the bay which she was bore. She lived there near the waves by a waterfall for many months until she was contacted by the Sidhe. She was taken to Aine, and there she learned of her being and was trained to be a Druid High Priestess, for Aine foresaw many great deeds from her. She gained much from The Sidhe including a longer live span, because her mother was that of the Sidhe and she is sometimes seen with an unnatural glow about her at night. She dwelled with the Sidhe for 25 years and became a great women and warrior. She was released from her Master, Aine, and became her own ruler. She now travels Erin looking for her fate and doom.<BR><BR><BR>Birth Place: Connaught, the land where the Tuatha De Danann first came.<BR><BR>Parents: Mother, Ailish of The Sidhe Father, Mortal Man, Owen, from Connaught. Owen was wondering upon the beaches (of what is now Ballyconneely Bay) whence he saw in the waves a women dancing upon the salty waters. Alas! As he beheld her he fell immediately in love with the beautiful maiden. He saw her shining from afar, he walked quietly and swiftly to her so she would not be startled. As he neared her he became awed be her beauty and the way the moonbeams danced upon her brow as she grazed the waters. He knew at once that she must be the Faery Goddess Aine, for he had not seen such beauty in all of Erin. He fell to his knees in sadness and despair for he knew that it was forbidden for a Mortal Man to love and to have an Immortal Goddess. He cried aloud though mostly to himself, “Aine, Aine, Goddess of the faeries, why hast thou bestowed this doom upon my brow, for now thine heart shall be restless for all eternity.” The women heard his cries and turned to look at him and ‘Lo! she was captured. “Ailish is thine name, Aine, Goddess of the faeries is not I,” she walked over to him and lifted him by his elbows and she beheld his beauty. For the man was indeed fair to look upon, his blond hair and his green eyes shone like the oceans in which she loved so dearly. He was a knight and a warrior... “Tell me, what is thy name?” she asked. “Owen...” he replied quietly never taking his eyes from her. <BR>Owen and Ailish fell in love and none knew, for their love was not allowed. Ailish bore a child, Daron, a girl as fair as Aine. Her eyes were of Erin and her hair of the night, and Owen, Ailish and Daron danced upon the waves for three full moons. Ailish’s disappearance did not go unnoticed and she was sought after for some time, until a knight of the Tuatha De saw them dancing and went to Aine and told her what he saw. Daron was taken from Owen and Ailish, who were separated and never seen together in Erin again. It is later told that Owen was so heart broken with the loss of his love and his daughter that he cast himself into the ocean and his fate is not known. <BR>Daron was taken to Scathach to be trained as a warrior...<BR><BR>Emotional Description: Daron Kelly is a strong women though has flaws like any other Mortal Men. She becomes a skilled Druid Priestess and is known to many as "The Virgin." She is not shy yet she is held back towards those whom she cannot read. At times she can be very manipulative but is mostly good, her soul is "good-dark," there for she loves the night and worships Danu. (Adding more soon)<BR><BR>Physical Description: Daron is tall and slender, thought built a bit more muscular than most women yet does not appear so. She has long black hair down to her waist. Her eyes are emerald green like the land in which she was born from, her skin is pale thought healthy looking. She appears ageless because of her contact with The Sidhe but she ages like Men, but will live much longer. She has a body tattoo on her lower back, a black star entwined with thorns and a crescent moon, in the middle of the star is a Celtic knot of two dragons.<BR><BR>OKay...<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby Istariquendi » Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:32 am

Wonderful, I think that I should follow from your example! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Name: Padraig O'Neira, former leader of Clan O'Neira in Mide. Padraig was a benevolent ruler who, during a battle with a rival clan, was maimed, having his left hand get cut off by an enemy soldier. Thus, by the laws of the Celts, he was no longer a King and was usurped by his cousin since his only heir was a sickly boy who had died of a fever the night of the battle. He now travelled through Erin, learning what he can and seeing all he can see. <BR><BR>Personality: Padraig is a patient man, trying to calculate situation before plunging into it. Yet a warrior's spirit resides within him and he is terrible when angry. Even though he is one-handed he is deadly with his sword though he seldom uses it save when it needed.<BR><BR>Physical Description: Padraig is tall and fair haired like most Celts, yet his eyes are dark, nearly black. He has a muscular build yet seems to have a grim face. He wears a traveler's cloak and carries a staff.
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 11:42 am

Istari, your character reminds me of the De Danann King Nuada whose hand was cut off but replaced with a silver one...<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby DancingFire » Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:37 pm

Would it be alright if I joined? I'm about eighty percent Irish, a little Scottish and about 2 percent Cherokee (Oh, good lord have mercy on my spelling) I haven't Rped before, but people tell me that I'm pretty good at righting (yeah, right) so, can I give it a try?
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Postby Istariquendi » Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:08 pm

You're more than welcome to join! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I'll be happy to have you.<BR><BR>Liadan- Yeah, I know it sounds like Nuada, but this is the only way that Padraig would have been dethroned. I'm glad that you noticed this! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:13 pm

Well also, who was it? Ah yes Cormac MacArt was dethroned when Fergus Black Tooth of Ulster singed his hair and lieft a blemish- but Cormac came back a yar later and took back his crown...<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Mery Meet!
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Postby DancingFire » Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:30 pm

Who am I kidding? I'm sorry, Istariquendi, but I don't know enough about Celtic Ireland to be any help. Sorry about that, but I guess I'm just ancestorily illiterate, if that makes any sense. Sorry, just the same though.<BR><BR>
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:34 pm

Dancing Fire stay! It's okay if you don't a lot, I just know a little because I am from Ireland, well my name being Erin, and I love Irish History so study it... but its okay, In the Dragon you don't have to know all about you just need a little!<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:36 pm

OKay I decided that it may help those who don't know much about the Celts/Druids if I gathered some info for you all one them. <BR><BR>The Celts were pagans and preferred to transmit information verbally instead of writing it down. The Celtic social structure was one of sexist indifference with women ultimately on the same footing as men, being skilled warriors, traders and rulers. As well as being well educated the Celts were experienced in battle and often engaged the enemy individually and naked. <BR>Each group of people had their ruler. In the case of Ireland, there were 150 different kingdoms each with their own rulers and laws. Though the Celts were known for their great fighting capabilities they also like to build defensive structures and boundaries. Hill-forts and ring-forts were built throughout the Celtic lands. <BR>Tribes were arranged in layers. The Top layer was the nobility, or ruling family. Next you had the farmers who were also warriors, then the manual workers and finally the slaves. A group apart from the rest were the learned druid, or holy men. In early times tribes were ruled by kings.<BR>The Celtic people were great warriors and they had a keen interest in fighting. Diodorus a Roman historian notes that:<BR><BR>Their aspect is terrifying...They are very tall in stature, with rippling muscles under clear white skin. Their hair is blond, but not naturally so: they bleach it, to this day, artificially, washing it in lime and combing it back from their foreheads. They look like wood-demons, their hair thick and shaggy like a horse's mane. Some of them are clean-shaven, but others - especially those of high rank, shave their cheeks but leave a moustache that covers the whole mouth and, when they eat and drink, acts like a sieve, trapping particles of food...The way they dress is astonishing: they wear brightly coloured and embroidered shirts, with trousers called bracae and cloaks fastened at the shoulder with a brooch, heavy in winter, light in summer. These cloaks are striped or checkered in design, with the separate checks close together and in various colours.<BR><BR>[They] wear bronze helmets with figures picked out on them, even horns, which made them look even taller than they already are...while others cover themselves with breast-armour made out of chains.<BR>The early Irish were pagans, i.e. they believed in many gods. Some such gods included Áine the goddess of love; Brigit the goddess of fertility, poetry, and healing; Oenghus god of love and youth; and Ogma god of eloquence and language. An Daghda was the chief Irish god. Druids were the leaders who carried out the animal sacrifices to the gods and they all so had the important task of memorising the religious customs of the people, as there was no writing. The Celtic year was split into four quarters starting on the first days of November, February, May, and August. There were a number of festivals in the calendar and the most important of these was Samhain, which took place on the 1st of November, this being the start of the Celtic New Year. This festival was associated with the 'Otherworld' and the dead and is now called Halloween or in Irish Oíche Shamhna. The festival on the first of May was called Beltane (the Irish for May being Bealtaine) and was to celebrate the coming of summer. February and August were associated with the goddess and god Brigit and Lug respectfully. <BR>By far the most important power in ancient Ireland was the Uí Néill or today O'Neill. It was them that controlled the lands of Mide/ Meath, which once belonged to Laigin (leinster), and it is said that they were the descendants of Niall Noígiallach or Niall of the Nine Hostages. He is originally from Connacht, which gets its name from one of Niall's ancestors, Conn of the Hundred Battles or in Irish Conn Cétchathach. <BR>The Druids emerged from the ancient Celtic tribes, at a time when the people had to live close to nature to survive. By the light of the storyteller's fire, and with the play of the harp, the Druids dreamed magic for their people. In the deep woods they would gather, bringing together their mysticism and philosophy, their insight and learning. Their spirit emerged from the the tides of the sea, the light of the sun, the wind in the Oak, the cry of the deer. In this way, they created an institution that inspired, frightened, and uplifted their world. <BR>Druids filled the roles of judge, doctor, diviner, mage, mystic, and clerical scholar - they were the religious intelligensia of their culture. <BR>To become a Druid, students assembled in large groups for instruction and training, for a period of up to twenty years. <BR>The mythologies describe Druids who were capable of many magical powers such as divination & prophesy, control of the weather, healing, levitation, and shapechanging themselves into the forms of animals. <BR>Their education was so rigourous that at the end of it they were virtually walking encycopaedias. A good word for them would seem to be "priests", yet I am reluctant to use it for two reasons: The Romans never used it, and because Druids didn't minister to congregations as priests do.<BR> <BR>The Druids and Druidesses formed the professional class in Celtic society. They performed the functions of modern day priests, teachers, ambassadors, astronomers, genealogists, philosophers, musicians, theologians, scientists, poets and judges. They underwent lengthy training: some sources say 20 years. Druids led all public rituals, which were normally held within fenced groves of sacred trees. In their role as priests, "they acted not as mediators between God and man, but as directors of ritual, as shamans guiding and containing the rites." Most leaders mentioned in the surviving records were male. It is not known whether female Druids were considered equal to their male counterparts, or whether they were restricted to special responsibilities. References to women exercising religious power might have been deleted from the record by Christian monks during the Celtic Christian era.<BR><BR>I hope that is helpful! <BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!<BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Istariquendi » Sun Sep 01, 2002 5:29 pm

Yes, that was very helpful Liadan. It reaffirmed some of my own knowledge! I hope you'll stay DancingFire, it would be good to have you! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 5:40 pm

I''m glad it could be of service!<BR><BR><BR>Blessed Be and Merry Meet!
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Postby orliesmyhusband » Sun Sep 01, 2002 6:47 pm

hmmm this sounds like alot of fun. perhaps I could be this faerie if you explain this concept further Liadan. Thank you for the hearty welcome Istari I look foreward to RPing with you!<BR><BR>Oricon
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Postby Liadan » Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:07 pm

Heres some info.<BR><BR>The people known as "The Sidhe" or people of the mounds, or "The Lordly Ones" or "The Good People" were descended from the "Tuatha de Danann" who settled in Ireland millennia ago and in being defeated by the Milesians they retreated to a different dimension of space and time than our own, believed to be living under mounds and fairy raths and cairns, and also the land of "Tir na nOg" a mythical island to the west of Ireland. Placenames in Ireland with the pre-nouns Lis, Rath, and Shee are associated with these people for example Lismore, Lisdoonvarna, Sheemore, Rathfarnham etc. <BR><BR>Down through the ages the Sidhe have been in contact with mortals giving protection, healing and even teaching some of their skills to mortals - Smithcraft or the working of metals being one such skill. Cuillen (Culann) is one such sidhe smith who has been told of in the legends of Cuchulainn and the later legends of Fionn mac Cumhail. <BR><BR>The Gaelic word si or siog refers to these otherworldly beings now called fairies. The Irish fairy is not like the diminutive fairies of other European countries, the Sidhe are described as tall and handsome in all accounts, also they are dressed very richly and accounts of their halls are of richly decorated places with sumptuous foods and drinks. <BR><BR>The Sidhe are generally benign until angered by some foolish action of a mortal. Many trees and mounds are considered under their protection and if a mortal destroys or damages these then a curse is put upon himself and his family. In some parts of the countryside people would not build their houses over certain "fairy paths" because of the type of disturbances which would ensue. Whenever a host of the Sidhe appears there is a strange sound like the humming of thousands of bees also a whirlwind or shee-gaoithe is caused. <BR>
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Postby Raavi » Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:28 pm

THATS AWESOME! I wanna be one! Can I can I can I? *jumps like a five year old being given a lolly* <BR><BR>How would I enter? Hmmm like if Istaris dude needed fire or something and he comes to like this huge tree and then I can like talk to him and come out from behind it and stuff? and agree to help him with his quest. Help me with this Liadan! lol <BR><BR>Oricon
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Postby orliesmyhusband » Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:40 pm

umm yeah well that up there was me......... ^^^^^^ <BR><BR>Oricon
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