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Postby Star-of-Hope » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:02 pm

gosh even I could be an editor then....<BR><BR>easy..."NAH!!! don't like it..bin it...bye!"<BR><BR>jeez you would think they could give a reason <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>...something ...
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Postby Axordil » Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:27 pm

I think they may have gotten tired of telling authors "I didn't like X" and have the author come back and explain why X is such a good idea. Not very productive.<BR><BR>When I do get a comment back from an agent beyond "not for me" it's usually worth thinking about. A couple of them led to my ongoing revision of my first novel (soon it will be done! soon!).<BR><BR>The other thing you have to watch for are the agents who say "it needs a little tweaking...send it to this book doctor, give them $1200, and then come back." The book doctor is usually a friend or relative, they get a kickback, and they still won't sell your manuscript.
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Postby Star-of-Hope » Sun Dec 15, 2002 11:41 am

well I guess all industries have their little scams, its just sad when this one plays on peoples emotions, hopes and dreams. <BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> is if the others don't <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby gefjon » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:47 am

I dont know if this thread is dead or only sleeping. But if it is still possible, I would like to be adopted! <BR><BR>
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Postby Axordil » Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:16 am

gefjon--<BR>The only difference between sleep and death is how long you're willing to wait for the person to wake up. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Welcome aboard, and consider yourself as adopted as you want to be. Ask any questions that come to mind about the boards in general, and my personal speciality, arguing with everyone without becoming a pariah. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>
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Postby Jnyusa » Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:50 am

I would like an adoption as well! Mainly for technical help. This is the first time I've ever tried to use a message board and it's like learning how to drive. But ... this is the new 'Main Street' ... this is how my students communicate with the world ... I have to learn it.<BR><BR>Like Axordil, I once escaped from academia but was recaptured and indentured to an East Coast (U.S.) university. I also write outside my academic specialty - published poetry back in the 80's and recently turned my quill to penny dreadfuls. Is that ever fun!<BR><BR>Hope you don't object to crusty old teachers. I read Tolkien for the first time before he was available in the United States. Currently gravitating toward the Council of Manwe forum ... but I haven't been to all the forums yet so this could change. Jn <BR><BR>
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Postby gefjon » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:12 pm

I am very glad to be adopted in this specific thread, as I have often found the art of arguing without fighting to be one of the most difficult. <BR><BR>I have been spying on TORC for some months without posting anything. As Jnyusa I have never posted on a messageboard before, except on a board about classical ballet where some old woman soon patronized me profusely in the Russian/Balanchine debat <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0>. After that I sort of stopped posting on the internet for a while. <BR><BR>But then the other day I saw a thread here on TORC where people were posting haikus for fun, and then I could not help myself - I just thought it would be so cool if my first post were a Haiku poem - so I posted one! But probably it would have been more appropriate to start out in an adoptions thread as this one - they were nice and all, but I still got the feeling of being a stranger bursting into a private conversation. <BR><BR>And this brings me to my not so precise question: The code, the unwritten rules. How well does one have to know the people in a thread before just starting to post? Do you have to be in the discussion from the beginning? When can one begin to start a thread? <BR><BR>I should write some more to introduce myself, but I have ballet class in the morning, so it must wait until tomorrow. By the way I have sometimes wondered about the TORC-time, is that USA-time? <BR><BR>And the last question to Axordil and Jnyusa: What do you mean when you say that you escaped from academia (and how did you manage? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> )<BR><BR>Goodnight from Gefjon
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Postby Star-of-Hope » Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:52 pm

the trick to being known and accepted is to post and post some more <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>just use your common courtesy as you enter anything obviously 'private' or 'cliquey'.<BR><BR>Torcers are pretty much a friendly group, its a matter of getting to know some of them. Being adopted by 'Ax' gives you a good start, just knowing someone who has been here a while and being able to post in the same thread gives you a comfortable place to start.
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Postby Axordil » Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:38 am

I can only speak for myself--I realized that I did not want to be like the majority of the faculty I dealt with on a daily basis, and that if I didn't find another line of work, I would become like them. <BR><BR>One of the wiser professors I know described it this way: academia is a kind of sheltered workshop. <BR><BR>As fas as familiarity with individual posters goes, if you've been looking around, you know people as well as you need to for conversation. A lot of the more vocal sorts here have opinions they are not afraid to share, concerning topics as narrow as Tolkien's academic work or as broad as theology and ethics. <BR><BR>My own personal experiences are concentrated in the LotR film forum and the Philosophy forum, both the sites of ongoing, ah, discussions. Sometimes they get heated, because they involve things near and dear to people's hearts. Don't let that keep you away from them! Find a topic that you have an opinion on, especially a strong one, and post that opinion and explain why you have it.<BR><BR>The second part there, explaining, will automatically label you as someone who is willing to "play the game" of online debate, rather than a troll or other unpleasant drive-by poster. Be succinct, but not flippant. That's how you start earning respect, even from those who disagree with you.<BR><BR>Goodness, I go on. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> That's more than enough lecturing for now. What sorts of threads out there look interesting to you?
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Postby gefjon » Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:40 am

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Postby gefjon » Sat Jan 25, 2003 12:49 pm

Axordil, who is that on your sig pic - a relative of yours? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>If so: congratulations!
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Postby Jnyusa » Sat Jan 25, 2003 1:50 pm

Axordil - I visited your website and read 'Chapter Five'. Yeah, I'm hooked and I hope you get published. That sort of thing, with two concurrent realities, really appeals to me. But you know, I recently checked a book out of the library - 'Best of 2002' selection in Mysteries, and I have to say that the quality of publications has really taken a slide. I don't know what they're looking for these days. There's a lot of 'filler,' accounted for by the fact that we're paid by the word, but authors didn't use to pad their work with so much junk. Yours was nice and trim.<BR><BR> In your last post you did not respond to my request for adoption. Is your list already full? Just say so, if it is so, because there are some new adopters that are probably less 'leaned on' and I already have a list of about six technical questions from just one week of doing this.<BR><BR> Gefjon - my advice would be to finish your dissertation! Life is longer than it looks at the beginning, and once you have the degree you have lots more choices. I left because I needed a dose of reality, less Ivory Tower, and came back because I missed the contact with students. (They didn't really indenture me. That was a joke.) Mathematics is always marketable.<BR><BR> I too am mainly interested in the literary traditions that gave rise to Tolkien. About two years ago I started work on what hopes to be a long research topic having to do with the relationship between Viking money systems and the money systems of continental Europe. That has led me into Norse literature and I'm really enjoying it. Before that, the Old English literary traditions were always a hobby. <BR><BR> Best of luck with your dissertation, Gefjon. Jn
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Postby Axordil » Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:07 pm

jnyusa, my apologies. For some reason your post didn't show up on my screen (or my radar) and even though gefjon referred to it, I didn't think anything amiss! I am not by any means overadopted yet, so feel free to consider yourself part of my extended online family. We're an informal bunch, so there's no ceremony apart from the friendly waves of those you meet. <BR><BR>I'll be back to post more later today...I'm working at home today, which for some bizarre reason always makes me feel more guilty about hanging out here than if I'm doing it on the sly at the office. Go figure. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Jnyusa » Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:43 pm

Axordil,<BR> I caught your post at lunch. Thanks! I've been compiling my list of questions, but I really have to do this late at night. It took me twenty minutes (2:15 to 2:39) just to login and get this reply box open, so the workday is out of the question for me and TORC.<BR> <BR> I'll post what I've got so far tonight , and you can look it over tomorrow or whenever you're on line again. Thanks again - I do need help! Jn<BR><BR>
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Postby gefjon » Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:57 pm

Jn - thanks for the advise, you are absolutely right. <BR><BR>You actually do research in Europe in the age of the vikings?! Please, please tell something about it! <BR><BR>It is interesting, especially as an union of the European countries is taking form in these very years, that the trading relations go back that far. In Denmark many people are worried that some countries (mostly in East Europe) are so different from us that they dont belong in the same union. And then to think about that just 1000 years ago vikings were sailing on the Russian rivers. Apparently they were not so afraid of strange cultures...
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Postby Jnyusa » Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:36 pm

Gefjon,<BR> Thanks for your interest. This is great being inside an Adoption thread where we can just get to know people. I envy you that you are from Denmark! I would love to visit Kopenhagn. We lived in Germany for almost a year but always seemed to be traveling south on weekends, not north. Hamburg is the farthest north we went, and I was told that the architecture there is very much like Kopenhagn. Is that true?<BR><BR> As far as Viking research goes - yes, I am stumbling into it without speaking any Scandinavian languages. Quite a disadvantage in research. But I got into this because of the European Monetary Union - you saw that connection right away! <BR><BR> I teach Political Economy, with a specialty in Central American economies. Within that specialty, my specialty is monetary systems - how people organize their money. As the EMU developed and the Euro was introduced, I thought I saw a pattern that has appeared many times in Europe - Roman Empire, Charlemagne, Viking Age, 100 Years War - a pattern that is a disadvantage to England and Scandinavia and results in their exclusion from trade. <BR><BR> Because the Romans destroyed local administrative records wherever they went, it is hard to know much about the monetary aspects of trade before they came, but by the time we get to the Vikings there is a lot of information written from the point of view of the Vikings themselves, not only what other Europeans wrote about them. So that is why my research is zooming in on them. Sorry for this long post that has nothing to do with Tolkien, but I may have some questions in Danish for you in the future!<BR><BR>Axordil, <BR> some of the mechanical things I managed to figure out. But I have two items that I want to post and I need a lesson in etiquette.<BR><BR> CaMinx asked me about my user name in one of those 'pull-up-a-chair-and-have-a-donut' threads. I was going to answer her right away, but my mouse melted down. By the time I got back to the thread, a whole different conversation was going on and I didn't want to barge in. What's the etiquette here - wait till a better opportunity arises and risk having CaMinx think I ignored her, or just barge in with a non-sequitur and hope CaMinx sees it?<BR><BR> Second - there was an interesting conversation about Old English in a post under the Literary Influences on Tolkien, but it moved (by link) to the Tolkien Books forum. I want to present a question for the experts to answer, but it belongs to the old thread, not the new one. Should I revive the old thread - or start a new thread, or what? <BR><BR> Thank goodness there are people here willing to tell us what to do. <BR> Jn (stamping the snow from her boots and grateful that the fire is already roaring and the cocoa has marshmallows in it.)<BR><BR>
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Postby Jnyusa » Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:41 pm

Oh! One more thing - Greetings to I_Am_Tigger, also a member of this orphanage, yes?
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Postby Axordil » Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:40 am

Ah, post etiquette. My advice--do what feels right to you, and $#@%@$# post etiquette. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> But here's what I would do, just for the record: when a thread has moved on past something I still want to discuss, whether I start a new one on the topic or not depends on just how much I think it deserves its own separate discussion. Usually I just stay in the thread and use some linking phrase such as "Back on the subject of..." to indicate I'm regressing.<BR><BR>In the specific cases here: if you want to make sure a specific poster knows you are addressing him or her, start the post with the poster's name. That alerts the other readers that you're only talking to one person, although obviously what you post is visible to all. The alternative, which I rarely use, is to email them if their email address is available--I reserve this for comments that simply don't belong on the board.<BR><BR>Second: if they moved the thread to a new forum not appropriate for your discussion, by all means start a new one where it belongs. <BR><BR>BTRW, Star-of-hope is here to make sure my reality check doesn't bounce. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> She's less of an orphan than a headmistress. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby MariaHobbit » Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:43 pm

<BR>Jnyusa, you'll see in the Eldar's thread.... conversations can stretch over days, with lots of unrelated posts in between. Nobody minds. But lots of people do re-post whatever phrase they are responding to, especially in Philosophy. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Oh, and Star of Hope and I am Tigger are the same person, in case that wasn't clear.<BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby I-am-Tigger » Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:18 pm

Maria Hobbit <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0>...we are <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0>.....hmmmmm<BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>...yes indeedy we are <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>and Star is NOT a headmistress <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>...she is a friend of the delightful and charming Axordil who likes to get some of his reflected glory by hanging out in his threads <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>..so take that..AX man <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>...hail and well come new people <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>...when I am in Tig Mode expect bounce and vim..its usually about the time I am hiding from some of lifes harshness and looking to avoid it, but right now its because i notice I have a torcanniversary coming up and I don't want to log out... without my Ranger shield, so my Star persona can just wait a while <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> for her ring thing <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR>Star..USED TO BE...a mod and Tig was then my 'play' name, now I alternate less between the two. (now wasn't that WAY more info than you really wanted to know??"<BR><BR>with subjects, if you want to answer an old comment, just put the posters name, and write your comment. They will appreciate being replied to. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>...Just as I have here.. cept' I didn't get your name pasted..and its now on the second page...forgive a rude tig if I call you 'one of the new rohan person's' <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>and Ax avoided the family in sig question <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>...its the soon to be BABY AX!!! isn't it the cutest lil' alien you ever saw<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>
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Postby Jnyusa » Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:45 pm

Star ...? Tigger ...? (Snorkle) No, I didn't guess! You had me completely fooled!<BR><BR>But thanks (and to Maria Hobbit, too) for the good advice. I will rush right over to Frodo's Kitchen and say hello back to CaMinx.<BR><BR>I've been dying to practice this: let's see if it works. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> Nope, that didn't work. [<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>] Nope, that didn't work. <b>Hello</b> Did that work? Oh, maybe you have to post it first .... What key do you hit so that the <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> thingies make smiley faces?
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Postby Jnyusa » Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:47 pm

Okaaaay <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0> Well, call me stupid. You hit Done! and it comes out smiley faces. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Axordil » Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:32 am

Are the smiley instructions updated? There had been some ones that didn't work for a while...<BR><BR>Thinking about academia...one of the reasons I left was because my program wasn't going to let me have contact with students after the required two years of teaching composition. They were extremely selective in whom they let continue, since they had to make room for incoming grad students. That and the fact my marriage was falling apart at the time contributed to a general feel of "I shouldn't be here" that I rarely regret.<BR><BR>Your research sounds interesting, jnyusa, but then, my predilection was always towards the more material aspects of literary criticism, so historical and economic work always intrigued me. Hey, what was the time gap between the Viking period in Scandanavia and the formation of the Hanse, anyway? Just curious.<BR><BR>And I am so sorry I blew I-am-Tigger's cover by confusing her and Star! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Although the two of them may share a keyboard and a body, they have radically different on-screen personalities. Which is not to imply in any way that multiple personalities are involved...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>And thanks! I'm currently making a living in tech writing, so my prose tends to be on the sparse side. I wish I knew what they were looking for too...<BR><BR>I need to go fix the chapter one link on the web site for the other novel.
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Postby I-am-Tigger » Wed Jan 29, 2003 12:12 pm

multiple personalities...hmmm I like that idea <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>can i stay in the driver seat for a liddle bit longer plllease!<BR><BR>my I-am_Tigger persona came about when a sweet young girl(going through some tough times) wanted to know where the tigger picture, which was in Star's sig, had gone, she liked to see him bounce and it made her smile, so I came on as Tigger just for her to give her a smile <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>, the rest is history <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Ax that little Ax of yours is growing, I can actually recognise body parts on this scan <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby MariaHobbit » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:16 pm

<BR>I'm sorry, Tiggy! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I didn't know you didn't know!<BR><BR><BR><BR><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>Was it OK for me to put my two cents in? (<i>though it's a bit late to ask now <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>) </i> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Jnyusa » Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:00 pm

I promise to tell no one <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Even under torture <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> Unless they tickle me <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Actually, I think it's very nice that people on this board get to know each other and have long-standing relationships. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> That makes it more like real life, less like a disappearing act. I'm still leery of giving out personal information, except my age to the Eldars, because one hears such awful stories <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> But most of the people on this board seem like perfectly ordinary, very nice people, just like RL. And it does make me feel closer to everyone to know a bit about who they are, even if its not ID info ... maybe especially if it's not ID info because then there's no temptation to pigeonhole.<BR><BR>I love the Tigger sig. My cat gets into a position *exactly* like that. We call him Yogacat or Boddhicat when he does it and he just grins...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Axordil - ah! a sidebar for technical stuff. The Viking Age came to an end officially in 1066, Battle of Hastings. The Hanseatic League is considered to have begun in Gotland in 1161, but it achieved its greatest influence in the 14th ce. But you know what - I do think the Hansa was an expression of the same goal - keeping a trade route away from the rule and the coin of continental empires.<BR><BR>It can be hard to sort out the meaning of the evidence because when we say 'Germany' in the 14th ce it's not the same place as Germany today. Cities had sovereignty almost like countries, reflected in the <i>landes</i> of Bremen and Hamburg today. And places like Schleswieg-Hostein whose political status has been settled for more than a century are still, imo, potentially volatile.<BR><BR>"A fact is nothing more than the point at which investigation has ceased. " Thomas Lewis <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Thus honest people can debate endlessly without any of them being wrong.<BR><BR>And the munchkin is due when? You may have posted this earlier and I missed it. Har-dee-har-har - I predict much shorter posts once the supreme entity takes charge of the houshold <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Jnyusa » Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:08 am

Gefjon,<BR> Are you still following your thread about "Killing for fun?" It has taken off on an interesting discussion about the souls of orcs.<BR><BR> In one of your posts in that thread you said you were embarrassed. No need to be! It started a cool conversation. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Axordil » Thu Jan 30, 2003 10:09 am

That's one of the coolest things that can happen when you start a thread--going off in its own unexpected (yet worthwhile) direction. Another reason I keep coming back here.
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Postby Jnyusa » Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:55 pm

Question Time You'all:<BR><BR> When people want to respond to a particular line in someone else's post, I notice that they paste it in with italic letters. How do you do that?<BR><BR> I saw that I was able to 'select' words in other people's posts, but I don't know how to make them italic and I was afraid to start hitting keys without knowing what I'm doing for fear of messing up someone else's post.<BR><BR> In the same vein, how do you edit your own previous post?<BR><BR> Much homage to those who already know this stuff. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Jn
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Postby Axordil » Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:26 am

LIFO order:<BR>The option bar at the bottom of a message you've posted contains an extra option: edit. Click it and you can redo the message. This does not count as another post in your post count, and the post remains in the same place in the thread. For this reason, you may want to note what you change! I usually say something like "edited for spelling" or "edited for content."<BR><BR>Click the appropriate font style icon at the top of the reply screen. A popup displays. Type or paste in the text you want to appear in boldface, italics, et al. It will appear with ancient WordPerfect style bracketed letter codes before and after it on the replay screen, but will display the way you want on the board.<BR><BR>Geez, this feels like work...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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