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Postby sarahwoodruff » Sun Sep 22, 2002 4:40 pm

Hello Ethel,<BR><BR>Like you I am a fan of the books and the movie. For about 3 months I have lurked, unregistered, in the movie forum...finally deciding to join. I shall probably continue to lurk, but it will be fun to make the occassional comment now and again.<BR><BR>I would be honored if you would adopt me.<BR><BR>SaraW.
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Postby Ethel » Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:25 pm

Saroneuroe,<BR>I'm embarrrassed to admit I've never been to the gallery. I know a lot of fan art and fiction is wonderful, but some of it <i>isn't</i> so wonderful - and I'm a coward. Anything you'd recommend over there? Still awaiting inspiration on Haldir, but at least I've got a lot to work with. And now... please say hello to your new adoptive sister!<BR><BR><BR>SarahWoodruff,<BR>I'd be pleased and proud to adopt you. Welcome to TORC! You've already avoided the single greatest pitfall for newbies in the Movies forum by not choosing a "fan" screen name. Names like "ElijahsBabe" and "Orli_is_Kewl" seem to bring out the absolute worst in the Movies people. The other thing you've done right is to lurk for a while before you start posting. Of all the forums, Movies is probably the least patient with newcomers. If you've been lurking there for a while you will, unfortunately, have seen some fairly harsh responses to newbies. <BR><BR>Having taken the cautious approach however, I'm sure you'll be fine. As a new adoptee, I request that you read the first post in this thread, and check out the links therein. You needn't read every word of the second link - it's longish - but do at least browse through it to get an idea of the content. (It's got everything from Alliance information to smiley instructions.)<BR><BR>I think it would be nice to get to know each other a little, now that you're a member of the family - could I ask you to answer the following questions? (My answers are below). I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have as well.<BR><BR>1. Provide your "three sentence" bio (see my example below).<BR>2. What forums might interest you besides Tolkien Movies?<BR>3. Books first or movie first? Your thought on each?<BR>4. What brought you to Tolkien Online?<BR>5. Are you interested in Tolkien Online events?<BR><BR><i>1. Provide your "three sentence" bio.</i><BR>I live near Sacramento, California, and am the divorced mother (and sole support) of a teenage son. I work in information systems in the high tech industry. Apart from Tolkien, I love books, movies, cooking, hiking in the wilderness, and civilized debate.<BR><BR><i>2. What forums might interest you besides Tolkien Movies?</i><BR>I frequent all the books and movies forums, Tolkien and otherwise. I occasionally also get involved in a debate in Philosophy or Talk.<BR><BR><i>3. Books first or movie first? Your thoughts on each?</i><BR>I read the books as a teenager, and have lost count of how many times I've read them. I love them so much I feel like they've become part of my DNA. I fully expected the movie to be awful and was absolutely thrilled to be proved wrong.<BR><BR><i>4. What brought you to Tolkien Online?</i><BR>After I'd seen the movie for the 4th time in the theater, I began to suspect I had a bit of an obsession! I knew I needed to stop boring my friends with Tolkien talk and find like minded "geeks" to share it with instead. So I went looking. This wasn't the first site I spent time at, and in some ways it was the least friendly - but for me at least, it's the best "fit". I love the literateness and thoughtfulness of the discussion here (and I also enjoy the silly stuff.)<BR><BR><i>5. Are you interested in Tolkien Online events?</i><BR>I definitely am, because I have made some real friends here who I'd love to meet in RL. I just wish Toronto weren't so far away from California!<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Ethel <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>PS - My email address is <a href="mailto:JanLewis4@aol.com">JanLewis4@aol.com</a>- feel free to contact me that way too!
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Postby Saroneuroe » Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:36 pm

Sarah,<BR><BR>Pleased to meet you. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Welcome to the family. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Mon Sep 23, 2002 10:57 am

Saroneuro, thanks for the welcome! I am a Douglas Adams fan myself. One of my favorite phrases is "daft as a hairbrush".<BR><BR>Ethel, thanks for adopting me. Yes, I have read some amazing things in the movie forum. The heat of the discussions fascinates me. To my shame, I have to admit I was addicted to the WIDESCREEN/PAN&SCAN debate and was bitterly disappointed when the mods shut it down. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Thanks for pointing me to the links in the first post, I had read them, but will refer back to them until things get more familar.<BR><BR>Let me ask your advice about something. I was very interested in the Pragmatist/Revisionist/Purist thread. What do you think of me dragging it up out of the depths and making an introduction? The guidelines say to not make a big deal out introducing oneself, and I certainly don't expect a huge response, but...it is a topic that interests me and I have to take my introductory knocks at some point or another.....your feedback is appreciated.<BR><BR>So here is a little bit about me:<BR><BR>1. Provide your "three sentence" bio.<BR>I am a single woman in the (hopefull) middle of my life. I am a secretary for an international power delivery company. Most of my lurking has been in the Jackson/movie forum, and tiny amount in Tolkien/books.<BR><BR>2. What forums might interest you besides Tolkien Movies?<BR>Tolkien books, other movies, other books and collecting. I am absolutely lousy at the chitty chat threads that do not have focus, I cannot think of anything to say!<BR><BR>3. Books first or movie first? Your thoughts on each?<BR>Books first-34 years ago (I was very young the first time I read them). They are so much a part of my life I don't even think of them as "favorite" books, they just are, if you get my meaning. I love Jackson's movie and am eagerly awaiting the next installment.<BR><BR>4. What brought you to Tolkien Online?<BR>Just surfing the net.<BR><BR><BR>5. Are you interested in Tolkien Online events?<BR>At this point, I am not, but we shall see what the future holds!<BR><BR>Forgive any type o's and misspellings, I must fly back to work!<BR><BR>Thanks again Ethel and Saroneuroe! It is great to have a "home".
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Postby Ethel » Mon Sep 23, 2002 1:37 pm

Hi Sarah,<BR><BR>(I am taking a leap of faith here and assuming that your screen name is based on your RL name.) Yeah, the Movies forum can definitely be intense at times - there are some genuine hotheads there. Yet I love the discussions, though I'm sometimes horrified by the rudeness. I confess I too was addicted to the Widescreen/Pan&Scan thread (but I didn't respect myself in the morning! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>) It was like watching a slow moving train wreck, wasn't it? I think I may have been on vacation when it was shut down (which, in all honesty, probably should have been done even sooner).<BR><BR>Regarding the Pragmatist/Revisionist/Purist thread - I think it would be fine to bump it, introduce yourself, and add your comments. It seems to be a theme that the Movies bunch can always engage with. I don't think you'll draw "flames" by doing so, but you're almost guaranteed that <i>someone</i> will disagree with you! (The true flaming responses seem to be reserved for newbies who bounce in and start threads like "What do you think about Arwen at the Ford?" and "Stop being so critical of Peter Jackson!"<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>But there has been some wonderful discussion there. There are several posters that I <i>always</i> find worth reading, such as Magpie, wilko135, ArPharazon, FoxWondering, TheWagner, roaccarcson - because they know so much about Tolkien and express themselves so well. There are also several posters who know a great deal about the movie industry: Bernd, Marty and Telemachos to name three. (Marty recently announced that he's been asked to serve on the SAG academy award nomination committee.) There are many other thoughtful, intelligent, and humorous people there as well. I like the fact that a fairly broad spectrum of opinion about Peter Jackson's FOTR is represented in the forum - I think it keeps the debates lively. <BR><BR>I'm basically a serious person, though you might not know it from the fact that I've spent so much time in the silly threads - I even started the Celebrating Celeborn thread. That was mostly to amuse a friend, but it apparently caught on because - well - there's not so much serious stuff to talk about until the new movie comes out. One can only argue a given point so many times before losing interest. The silly threads can be good for getting to know people, too. <BR><BR>Anyway, Sarah, go ahead and speak up. I'll watch for your posts. You sound like you have opinions to express and no particular fear of controversy - you should fit right in.<BR><BR>Welcome to the family!<BR>Ethel<BR>
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:40 pm

Hi Ethel,<BR><BR>My screen name is a tribute to another favorite author, John Fowles, and his wonderful creation Sarah Woodruff, the enigmatic and beautiful leading lady of the <u>French Lieutenant's Woman</u>. Except for sharing her red hair, I am rather more prosaic, I fear. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>However, I love being called Sarah, so feel free.<BR><BR>Yes, the WS/P&S debate was definitely a slow-mo train wreck, and yes, I expected its demise daily, even though I enjoyed it. I get up very early in the morning and would read it over my first cup of tea. Somehow the silliness of the debate made the rest of my day make sense, no matter how odd it really was.<BR><BR>Thanks for the advice about the P/R/P thread. I shall plunge ahead upon completion of this post. <BR><BR>Had a chuckle over your comments about choosing a user name based on fandom...so you don't think Aragorns-Angel or Viggos_Vamp would have gone over very well?<BR><BR> <i>There are several posters that I always find worth reading, such as Magpie, wilko135, ArPharazon, FoxWondering, TheWagner, roaccarcson - because they know so much about Tolkien and express themselves so well. There are also several posters who know a great deal about the movie industry: Bernd, Marty and Telemachos to name three. </i><BR><BR>I would add you and Laavas Saar to the mix (got his name wrong-sorry). Did you come up with the cheese idea for some of Jackson's more "gee whiz" moments? You are always so calm in the midst of the storm, honestly, this is not buttering you up (you will see next paragraph why I am making this disclaimer). Familiarity with your posts is one reason I chose you to be my adopted "auntie".<BR><BR><i>I even started the Celebrating Celeborn thread.</i><BR><BR>Please don't stop the adoption, but I have to confess since I read the books at age 11, I have always liked the Silver Haired One. There is a small, but stubborn, minority amongst Tolkien fans, and I <BR><i>she sighs softly</i>am one of them. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I have no need to make converts, but it seems unfair not to let you know. >:0<BR><BR>Off to the Movie Forum! <BR><BR>Wish me luck!<BR><BR>SW<BR>
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Postby Ethel » Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:22 pm

Hi Sarah,<BR><BR>I went through a John Fowles phase years ago and remember quite liking "The French Lieutenant's Woman" though the ending(s) annoyed me. But it's so long ago that I had forgotten the heroine's name. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>As for screen names - I suspect "Viggos_Vamp" would go over rather better than "OrLiLuVr". I doubt Netspeakers know the word vamp.<BR><BR>Thank you for your kind words about the piffle I write. Putting me in the same class with Magpie and FoxWondering is the kind of flattery guaranteed to turn my head. But it's not true; they are both professional writers and it really shows.<BR><BR>Ah, Celeborn. So far from being offended at your admiration for him, I am positively glad to hear it. I never liked him, and the reason for that is the quote in my signature. I'm a Frodo gal, and it made me furious when Celeborn said he was sorry for letting him into Lorien. Still, I think Glads and Cele must have been very beautiful together with their gold and silver hair. I always hoped Celebrian had bronze hair to complete the metallic lineup.<BR><BR>Tolkien really didn't tell us much about Celeborn. I read up on him in order to host the thread. (I had this silly idea we might have some serious discussion along with the nonsense. I should have known spd would have Cele sitting in a Rivendell hot tub with a couple of Elf chicks on the very first page!) What Tolkien did have to say about Celeborn differs quite a bit from LOTR to Unfinished Tales. I won't go into the whole Elmo vs. Olwe (as Celeborn's grandfather) debate unless you're an Elf freak like me... do let me know.<BR><BR>See you in the Movies forum!<BR>Ethel
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Tue Sep 24, 2002 5:42 pm

Yes, please Ethel-tell me all you know! The elves are my favorite race of Middle Earth beings.<BR><BR>I have never come across anyone who likes Celeborn who disagrees that he stuck his foot in his mouth <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>. We simply accept that a balrog and hoards of orcs attacking Lorien could have shaken him considerably (and not liking dwarves much) and allowed his emotions to carry him away. I think what I like best about him was he really thought about what he said, offered a what seems like a sincere apology and pledged his help. Looked to me like he and Glads delivered fully on that pledge. I also remember being very intrigued by what the elf/dwarf conflict could be and delighted that elves were not perfect and not dull (Galadriel was delightful for that as well-she really spooked me at her temptation). Imagine my amazement when I found the Silmarillion was full of naughty elves <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>.<BR><BR>As for what I said about your posts. I stand by it. What I admire is your thoughtfulness and clarity and you shall not make me retract my statement! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Anyway, I agree with you a lot...<BR>
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Postby noldorin » Tue Sep 24, 2002 9:13 pm

Greetings, Ethel<BR><BR>I just wandered in here, looking for a mentor/guide and was hoping you had room for one more neophyte<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Your genuine interest in meeting new people and helping newbies out is what brought me here. I've been mainly sticking to generic discussions, but as I've been a Tolkien reader for awhile (almost 20 years!),I hope to contribute to the indepth ones as well. Just not ready to take the plunge<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>-Nol
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Postby Ethel » Tue Sep 24, 2002 9:41 pm

Sarah,<BR>It grows late and RL calls, but I promise you a long post tomorrow about Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Celeborn! It's easy to make fun of him because of his awful blunder talking to the Fellowship and his blockheaded portrayal in the movie, but Tolkien clearly meant him to be a worthy partner for Galadriel - and reworked his story several times to that end.<BR><BR><BR>Noldorin,<BR>Always room for one more. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Isn't there, ladies? Please tell us a little about yourself: your history, your interests, your (rough) RL location, what forums attract you, what you like to read besides Tolkien - that kind of thing. Also, please read the first post in the thread and check out the links it contains.<BR><BR>For my part, I'm a woman of a certain age (as the French so discreetly put it) and mother of a teenage son. I live in Northern California. Besides Tokien, I love art (painting), literature, movies, opera, anyone who can make me laugh, cooking, hiking in the wilderness, and challenging discussions. I hang out primarily in the Books and Movies forums. As a reader I'm partial to 'the classics' - I've read every book Jane Austen ever wrote, and am currently rereading "War and Peace" for about the fourth time. But I have a special place in my heart for high quality science fiction and fantasy - because what I really like is <i>stories</i>, and those genres are all about story.<BR><BR>Welcome to the family, and I look forward to hearing a bit more about you...<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Ethel<BR><BR>
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Postby noldorin » Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:04 pm

Hello again,<BR>I'm pleased to join your family, and to meet my fellow boarders.<BR>Here's my little splurge:<BR><BR>1. I chose Noldorin after the Noldor of course. 'ILuVCeleborn' wouldn't be too well-received, would it? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>2. I'm a registered nurse, single, one dog (a Pomeranian- his name is Pippin also)<BR><BR>3. Currently live in Virginia<BR><BR>4. First read Tolkien when I was 14, way back in the far distant '80's. I literally devoured the trilogy and from there to the the Sil, Book of Lost Tales, etc. I'm an avid reader as it is, from Anne Rice to CS Forester. Right now I'm tackling Patrick O' Brian's 'Master and Commander', which is being adapted to a movie with our own Billy Boyd...very deep! JRRT will always be near and dear to me though. <BR><BR>5. I love the movie, I'm glad PJ directed it instead of a more well-known Hollywood director. 'Heavenly Creatures' was brilliant, and the phantom in 'Frighteners' was the perfect prototype for the ringwraiths. <BR><BR>6. Let's see, what else, this is the first Tolkien-related forum I've joined. I belong to another that's dedicated to A&E's Horatio Hornblower series, and to Ioan Gruffudd, my favorite actor. I'd love to someday attend a gathering of Tolkienphiles, Toronto is a bit far I'm afraid, but more local meetings would be great.<BR><BR>I guess that's about it. I do have one question- who is Mark Edmond? I see his name from time to time in the 'Virgin' section.<BR><BR>Looking forward to getting to know you all better,<BR>-Nol<BR>
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Postby Saroneuroe » Wed Sep 25, 2002 3:24 am

Welcome Noldorin!<BR><BR>I spent the first 5 years of my life in Surry, VA. I have some fond memories of the beach and Williamsburg.<BR><BR>Off to work! See you around!<BR><BR>PS- welcome also to Pippin the Pomeranian!<BR>
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Wed Sep 25, 2002 4:45 am

Welcome to our little family Noldorin! <BR><BR>Ethel, I too am a huge Jane Austen fan and a member of the Jane Austen Society of America,in fact my local chapter has a meeting next week. What is your favorite novel and do you like any of the film adaptations?<BR><BR>Hi Saroneuroe, Mistress of the Silent Hunt!<BR> <BR> <BR>
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Postby Ethel » Wed Sep 25, 2002 10:34 am

Noldorin,<BR>Well, here's a fun fact: Saroneuroe's basenji is also named Pippin. Not so surprising really, among Tolkien fans. Pippin is one of the more charming names, and less "weighty" than many (after all, you wouldn't want to call your pet Finrod Felagund, would you?) I suppose this is where I should confess that my cat is named Darcy!<BR><BR>I've never lived in Virginia, but because my parents both came from the DC area and I have lots of family thereabouts and spent a lot of time there as a child. It's a lovely part of the country. Alas, since I now live on the west coast, I get there all too seldom.<BR><BR>I'm a big fan of the Horatio Hornblower books too, and I thought the A&E movies were outstanding. Wasn't Ioan Gruffudd <i>perfect</i>? (Not to mention cute!) I've also read some of the Patrick O'Brian books - up to "Treason's Harbour" - but though I liked them, I confess I enjoyed HH more. (So much for my "intellectual" claims.) I do look forward to the film of "Master and Commander" though. After seeing FOTR I was so impressed with Sean Bean that I sought out the Sharpe videos. They are a lot of fun too - sort of a "land" version of Horatio Hornblower. Sean speaks in his native Sheffield accent which is somehow very sexy. And he's an astonishly handsome man. I'd be happy to chat about the HH films in the Non-Tolkien Movies forum if you are interested.<BR><BR>This isn't the only Tolkien forum I've been involved in, but it's by far my favorite. Glad you found it! In answer to your question, Mark Edmond is just a guy who agreed to write about his first-time reading of LOTR for the site. He writes well, but he's rather of the "Frodo was a wimp" point of view - unforgiveable! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> If you are interested in local Tolkien gatherings, try checking out the "Tolkien Meetup" links on the home page.<BR><BR><BR>Saroneuroe,<BR>I placed my order for "Women's Country" yesterday so I should have it by the weekend. How about starting our read on Monday? When we do you should probably edit the thread title to include the word "spoilers" as it's hard to talk about a book in much depth without giving the plot away. I love "War and Peace" but I'm ready for a little break!<BR><BR><BR>Sarah,<BR>Ooooh - another Jane Austen fan! (Off-topic alert, folks.) I'm not a member of JASNA but I've thought about it - should I take the plunge? I do frequently visit the Pemberly website (<a target=new href="http://www.pemberley.com">http://www.pemberley.com</a>), which I highly recommend for literate discussion about Austen. I even went to their annual gathering last year - lovely people. If you want to post there, introduce yourself at the Newbie board. There's no formal registration process but they like to keep track. They also require that you use your own name (first names are fine, though.)<BR><BR>I'd have to say my favorite Austen novel is "Pride and Prejudice" - it's just such a perfect combination of humor and seriousness. But I love them all. I also must confess that, mild obsessive that I am, I own copies of <i>all</i> the Austen film adaptations <i>(*blushes*)</i>. But the only ones I think are really good are the BBC/A&E mini series of "Pride and Prejudice" and the Ang Lee "Sense and Sensibility." And then there's "Clueless" - not really an adaptation in the strict sense, but lots of fun and surprisingly faithful in story and values to "Emma." I had no idea it was based on "Emma" when I saw it and only gradually realized the parallels - what a hoot!<BR><BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Ethel
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Postby Saroneuroe » Wed Sep 25, 2002 11:32 am

Ethel- Monday sounds good to me. When would you like to start the discussion? I wish we had been able to drum up more interest, but I think we'll have a good discussion anyway. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> How do I edit the subject line??<BR><BR>You didn't mention "Bridget Jones' Diary" under film adaptations of Pride and Prejudice. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> It may sound silly, but I first read pride and prejudice when I was about twelve or thirteen and maybe I was a bit slow, but the plot just didn't interest me. I didn't give it another chance until after reading Bridget Jones' Diary!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> Which was one of those books forced on me by my mother-in-law. BTW this is one case where the movie was better thabn the book (BJD not P&P).<BR><BR>Noldorin- Pippin the pomerianian is so much cuter sounding than Pippin the basenji. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I love the alliteration!<BR><BR>SarahWoodruff- I don't suppose you have a literary pet?<BR>
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Wed Sep 25, 2002 7:02 pm

Saroneuroe, my cat likes to sprawl across anything I am reading, but alas, his name is Billy. He has these enormous front paws and I thought he looked like a little kid wearing baseball gloves, hence the name.<BR><BR>Ethel, visit your local JASNA chapter and see if you "jell" with the other members. That will be the heart of your experience with the organization, so it needs to be a good group for you. I have never done anything with national, but mostly because I am not a large group person/convention person. <BR><BR>So far, so good in the movie forum. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I will have to check out some of these authors you guys are mentioning. My reading preferences are all over the place and I read a lot of non-fiction. Ever read Joanna Trollope? I like her modern novels, but not much interested in the historical fiction.
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Postby noldorin » Wed Sep 25, 2002 7:03 pm

Evening ladies! Hail and well-met, Saroneuroe and Sarah <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Pippin the Pomeranian, LOL, that just struck me. I believe there's a broadway play called "Pippin" too (not about the hobbit though). I live in Newport News, so that's not too far from Surry. Is that a portrait of your Pippin, Saro, in your signature box? Handsome dog!<BR><BR>I'd love to discuss HH anytime, Ethel- did you know they're filming the third series as we speak? And Julia Sawhalia (sp?) from Pride and Prejudice will be playing Horatio's wife, Maria. It's a small world I say! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>-Nol
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Postby Ethel » Thu Sep 26, 2002 12:01 am

Evening, all!<BR><BR>Saroneuroe,<BR>Well, I can't remember how the book is divided up, but it might be nice to discuss it in sections. I'm a pretty fast reader, when I can tear myself away from TORC anyway. Maybe we could start discussing the first section on Wednesday? It would be nice if we could pull in some other readers, but it'll be fun anyway. If you edit the first post in the thread, the subject line will show up as an editable field. If the Edit function still works - apparently a security loophole with Editing showed up yesterday, and it may still be disabled.<BR><BR>You're absolutely right about "Bridget Jones' Diary" - how could that have slipped my mind? I quite enjoyed the book, but like you I liked the movie better. Bridget is just so... feckless in the book, whereas she's sweeter and kinder in the movie. I thought it was a lovely joke that they got Colin Firth to play Mr. Darcy again. And wasn't Hugh Grant deliciously convincing as a scoundrel?<BR><BR><BR>Sarah,<BR>Well, I guess we can pretend your cat was named for Billy Budd... though I'm not particularly fond of Melville. Perhaps I'll try my local JASNA chapter... if there is one in Sacramento. I have actually made RL friends with a couple of people I met at the Pemberley site who live around here. One in particular has been great as an opera- and ballet-going companion - those aren't so easy to find. I knew we had something in common when we ran into each other at the opera in Los Angeles - Small World moment #573. <BR> <BR>Yes, you do seem to be settling right into the Movie forum - no flames yet that I've seen! Actually, things are a lot friendlier over there now than they were six months ago when I joined. I'd like to think I had something to do with that, but in truth it's probably just because all the Orli swooners were forcibly removed to Fandom.<BR><BR>I don't know Joanna Trollope at all... any relation to Anthony? If you're a non-fiction reader, please allow me to recommend "A Primate's Memoir" by Robert Sopalsky which I recently finished. He's a neuroscientist who spent many years following a baboon troop in Africa, and he's written just a delightful book about it - smart and funny, educational and entertaining.<BR><BR><BR>Noldorin,<BR>I cannot help but be ever so slightly alarmed at one who has chosen to ally herself with the single scariest group of Elves ever! You're not... like them, are you? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Galadriel was probably the nicest of them and she could be pretty spooky. As for her Uncle Feanor - that guy was just Bad News!<BR><BR>Saroneuroe's picture is actually of her previous basenji, Winnie, who died tragically young. Saroneuroe drew it herself. Isn't it lovely? And wasn't that a lovely way of remembering a beloved pet?<BR><BR>Why don't you start a thread in Non-Tolkien movies about the HH adaptations, and I'll join in? I'm delighted to hear they are making a third series, and I think Julia Sawalha is a wonderful choice for Maria - though she's probably a little too pretty. Wasn't she wonderful as Lydia in "Pride & Prejudice"?<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Ethel<BR><BR><i>Edited to add: looks like the Edit function is... ah... functional.</i>
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Postby Saroneuroe » Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:05 am

Good Morning!<BR><BR>Noldorin- The drawing is of my first basenji, Winnie, CH Kibushi Arwen of Signet CD. She died from a fungal infection in her lung (a horrible way to go). Pippin, Istari's Return of the King, is her son. He didn't turn out to be tempermentally suited to the show ring, though he is a handsome boy, so he's my neutered male goof! The name Pippin suits him well. He's very suspicious of strangers, for about 10 minutes, and then he becomes a pest. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Ethel- I'll take a look at The Gate to Women's Country and see what's the best way to break it up. I'm looking forward to reading it again. Wednesday sounds fine to me for starting the discussion. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Sarah- You obviously are in need of another pet to name!<BR>
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Postby aninkling » Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:03 am

Ethel,<BR>I just popped in to say hi and good luck. I'm sure you'll do very well at mentoring - you seem to have a natural talent for it!<BR><BR>About those double and triple posts:<BR>It happens to me is when the server is slow and I either hit another button or try to edit something in my post while I'm waiting. The trick may be to do absolutely nothing until the next screen comes up.<BR><BR>To sarahwoodruff: Always good to see another Douglas Adams fan. There are a lot of us here! I'm sure you'll notice that after a while... ("42" comes up a lot)<BR><BR>[Edit to fill in a name]
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Postby Ethel » Thu Sep 26, 2002 10:27 am

Aninkling,<BR>Thanks for dropping by, and for your kind words. I thought I'd be trying to explain to Netspeakers why 'u' is not a good way to write 'you' - and instead I've been enjoying literary discussions with these lovely people. I feel like I'm getting away with something!<BR><BR>I think you are probably right about the double and triple posts. I know I never click "Done" more than once, but I do often switch windows and do something else while I wait. Unfortunately, if the trick is "to do absolutely nothing until the next screen comes up" - well, that's a pretty hard trick. Patience isn't my best thing. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Is anyone here <i>not</i> a Douglas Adams fan? (BTW, has anyone tried 'The Salmon of Doubt' yet, his posthumous publication?)<BR><BR>
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Postby noldorin » Thu Sep 26, 2002 12:13 pm

Hi, just dropping by briefly:<BR><BR>Sarah- Well, since there's Bill the pony, why not Bill the Cat? Oh dear, I'm not really helping, am I? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I've heard of Joanna Trollope, are there any titles you might recommend?<BR><BR>Saro- What a nice tribute to loved one! My Pippin gets ear infections and generally speaking, any fungal infection, especially if it's internal and systemic, is very bad news.<BR><BR>Ethel- Since the Noldorin were skilled in the crafts, I felt most close to them. Feanor and his sons were just bad apples that fell from the wrong side of the tree. Fingolfin, Finrod, Turgon, and Gil-galad were also Noldor, so the line wasn't totally about mischief and mayhem!><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>If you want to start an HH thread, be my guest, for I will have to wait until late tonight when I have more time.<BR><BR>And I loved Douglas Adams too, I was rather shocked about his sudden death last year. Never heard about "Salmon".<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>-Nol
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Postby aninkling » Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:39 pm

Ethel, <BR><i>I thought I'd be trying to explain to Netspeakers why 'u' is not a good way to write 'you' - and instead I've been enjoying literary discussions with these lovely people. I feel like I'm getting away with something!</i><BR><BR>Yes, it looks like you're getting off very easy! You have a great group of adoptees here. BUT... I think what you really need is someone who's a bit more of a challenge to mentor <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> In fact, I'd be happy to send you Bernil* or the newly arrived "Lurtz" (from the What Comes After Celeborn thread) to improve the intellectual atmosphere. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR><i>BTW, has anyone tried 'The Salmon of Doubt' yet, his posthumous publication?)</i><BR><BR>I'll quit butting in and leave all of you to your discussions now, but in case anyone is interested, it's different from the rest of his books. After he died, Adams' publisher and his wife collected a lot of his short nonfiction on various topics (a lot of it autobiographical), plus a short story (Young Zaphod Plays it Safe) and a little bit of a new Dirk Gently novel he had started. If I remember right, it all came off the computers he had been working on. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't read it for the novel - that's just a couple of chapters at the end.<BR><BR>*[For those of you who haven't met him yet, Bernil is a joke - a poster who speaks only in Netspeak. He's probably the creation of one of the "old-timers" here and is not to be taken seriously. Lurtz is ... well, Lurtz. He appears to be an orc. You have to see the thread.]
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Postby Saroneuroe » Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:03 pm

Ethel- PLEASE don't adopt Lurtz!!! I don't want an evil step-brother!!!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Actually, I remember trying to collect the FOTR toys at BK before the release of the movie. I enlisted my mother, as well as my brother and sister (we got them all except for Gimli). Anyway, the first one that my brother picked up was Lurtz. He told me over the phone that he had gotten Lurtz and I just kept saying who??? I couldn't believe that I could have forgotten a character from LOTR!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I have not read The Salmon of Doubt. I remember when it came out. I'm not big on posthumous books. I did enjoy the original four Hitchhiker's books. I can't bring myself to buy the BBC production on DVD, though. I can't get past the poor production values, although the entries from the "guide" are well-done.<BR><BR>Hugh Grant did a great job in BJD. He was also great in About A Boy. Have you seen that one? I guess I should read some Nick Hornsby, because I also enjoyed the movie High Fidelity. I just love John Cusack!<BR><BR>Talk to you later,<BR><BR>Saro
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:41 pm

aninkling, thanks for the welcome. 42? LOL <BR><BR>noldori, I love Feanor and sons. What fun would the Silmarillion be if everyone had behaved? Maedhros is my favorite son. I adore the story of his capture by Morgoth <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0> and rescue by Fingolfin. How their hearts must have leapt when they heard each other’s voices. <BR><BR>Sigh.<BR><BR>Joanna Trollope is of the THE TROLLOPE family. Anthony is like a great uncle or something...some of her books are:<BR><BR>A SPANISH LOVER, MARRYING THE MISTRESS, OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, BEST OF FRIENDS, THE MEN AND THE GIRLS. She also writes, or wrote, historical fiction under a pseudonym, but I do not much like it. The difference in styles between the modern and historical novels is very striking.<BR><BR>The cat has several nicknames, Big Bad Billy, Billy the Cat, and Billy Banana, but he really is not very literary. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Your puppies sound sweet. Saroneuroe, the picture is lovely. Very well done.<BR><BR>Ethel, thanks for recommending the book, I really like books about animal behavior. If you enjoy reading about nature, let me recommend THE BOTONY OF DESIRE by Michael Pollan. He looks at 4 plants that have become important to humans over the millennia-apples, potatoes, marijuana, and tulips. It probably sounds dull, but it is amazingly interesting and I learned a lot about history, these plants and the peculiarity of human beings.<BR>
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Postby Ethel » Thu Sep 26, 2002 7:23 pm

Noldorin,<BR>I'm sure Sarah's cat is a lovely animal and nothing like Bill the Cat. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> How can you suggest such a repugnant notion? (Just the sort of thing I'd expect from a Noldo! ) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>No, I know what you mean about the Noldor, though. They were clearly meant to be the most intense of the Elves - and that has both positive and negative manifestations. They are definitely the coolest Elves - maybe even the kewlest! The problem with Feanor and his line was that unwholesome obsession with the Silmarils - and that oath they took.<BR><BR>Noldorin, I think I'd rather wait for you to start an HH thread - if you don't mind, that is. Just for you to have the experience of doing it, and also to get your name out there a bit. (You won't mind if I drool a little over Ioan Gruffudd in your thread, will you?)<BR><BR>I was especially shocked about Douglas Adams' death because he was almost exactly my age. Too young!<BR><BR><BR>aninkling,<BR>Thanks for the information on "Salmon of Doubt". I may try it anyway. I read a lovely nonfiction book by Douglas Adams about endangered species called "Last Chance to See" so I know he can do that too...<BR><BR>I happen to know that Bernil was a creation of Bernd's, and a pretty funny one at that. (Gentle adoptees - the Movies forum was waylaid by Netspeaking Orcs right after FOTR came out, and Bernil was Bernd's satiric response to same.) I suspect Lurtz_the_stud is a creation of spd's. So no immediate danger to this thread, but I'm definitely enjoying this lot of adoptees while I have them!<BR><BR>Fun fact, everyone: if you ever need to know how to pronounce Hungarian names, aninkling's your gal! (She's also one of the nicest people at TORC.)<BR><BR><BR>Saroneuroe,<BR>Not to worry - I sent Lurtz_the_stud over to Mammo and Ateelah's adoption thread! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> LOL about your "who's Lurtz?" story. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I've never seen the BBC production of Hitchhiker's Guide. Is it good? I do have Douglas Adams reading the Hitchhiker books on tape - I love books on tape - and he did it really well.<BR><BR>Haven't seen "About A Boy" yet, but I did read the book and liked it very much. Nick Hornby is well worth reading. I also liked "How to Be Good" and plan to read more of his work. My impression so far is that he's one of those writers who doesn't quite know how to end his stories, but it's so much fun getting there that you don't care.<BR><BR><BR>Have a lovely evening! I have company coming tomorrow for the weekend so responses may be rather brief until Monday. See you! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR><b>Edited to add:</b><BR><BR>Sarah - we cross posted. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> You have to admit that some of Feanor's sons were really awful, though. Who was it tried to get back the Silmaril that Beren and Luthien took from Morgoth? Now that was really outrageous behavior.<BR><BR>My cat is actually <i>quite</i> literary - at least in the sense that she likes to lie down on whatever I happen to be reading!<BR><BR>Thanks for recommending "The Botany of Desire". I think I remember reading reviews of it when it came out, and it's definitely the sort of thing (one of the sorts of thing) that I go for!<BR><BR>Sarah! Eeeek! I just noticed your favorite thread has been resurrected! And by none other than Telemachos (a mod). Apparently it wasn't locked at all, just dropped off the front page... enter at your own risk! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR><a target=new href="http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?start=200&catid=13&threadid=52142">http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?start=200&catid=13&threadid=52142</a><BR><BR><BR>Try not to be shocked by my new signature Monday. I happen to be representing Haldir in the Men of Middle-earth pageant... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>
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Postby noldorin » Thu Sep 26, 2002 8:28 pm

Oh no Sarah! Our first disagreement!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0> I'll admit Maglor and Maedhros were the more decent brothers, but the middle ones, the 'C' men as I call them, <i>brrrrrr</i> were cold as ice, IMHO. Feanor also could've given up just one Silmaril for the sake of Arda, but he was pure Noldor- all or nothing.<BR>Thanks for the titles, I'll check out her books.<BR><BR>Ethel, the HH post is done! Ioan awaits your gushes, hehehe. I took a peek at that widescreen vs. full thread- <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> That's why I'm a bit relunctant to post there, but thanks for the encouragement<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saro, have you seen the new Two Towers action figures? Looks very promising, I may have to break down and buy one. I think a picture of the Treebeard toy was posted online by mistake, big spoiler oops!<BR><BR>Darn- I was so looking forward to meeting Lurz too. <BR><BR>-Nol
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:01 am

<i>Oh no Sarah! Our first disagreement! I'll admit Maglor and Maedhros were the more decent brothers, but the middle ones, the 'C' men as I call them, brrrrrr were cold as ice, IMHO. Feanor also could've given up just one Silmaril for the sake of Arda, but he was pure Noldor- all or nothing</i><BR><BR>Please don't misunderst and think that I <u>approve</u> of Feanor and his sons behavior (even sweet Maedhros and Maglor). If I had been Nerdanel, I would have been very tempted to do more to Feanor than just go home to Papa! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>What I mean by <i>liking</i>them is they are interesting bad-boys, mostly because they are complicated. Not all bad, not all good. I have an idea about the Silmarils, but will trot over to books and see if anything has been discussed on it already (probably). <BR><BR>As you see, I can go on and on and on and on about it, and this is not the place (she tells herself sternly).<BR><BR>Ooooo! The WIDESCREEN/PAN&SCAN thread is back in business! Whoo hoo! Thanks you Ethel. Have fun with your company this weekend.<BR><BR>I too shall be out of pocket for the next few days with guests, so let me wish everyone a lovely weekend.<BR><BR>Ethel, do you mind if we continue to drop in and chat, even after we get our sea legs? This is a fun way to get acquainted with other newbies of like interest.<BR><BR>BTW, the adoption idea is <i>brilliant</i>especially in a site of this size.<BR>
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:10 am

Sorry to double post, but edit is not working! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saroneuroe, I was not going to buy action figures (too old, better uses for my money). Then I caved and bought some. The next vow was NO LURTZ, though I liked him in the movie, and I now own two. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>The new toys look wonderful, and I am hoping they show up in the stores this weekend.<BR><BR>Bye.
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Postby Saroneuroe » Fri Sep 27, 2002 5:36 am

Sarah-<i>I was not going to buy action figures (too old, better uses for my money).</i> Me too!!! I was so overcome with excitement for the movie and now I have a box of the stuff in my attic!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> My brother bought me the intelliblock mines of moria set for xmas. That's *not* up in the attic. I should probably set it up somewhere .<BR><BR>Botany of Desire is <u>definitely</u> on my list! I heard a radio interview with the author and it was fascinating. In RL I'm a biologist, so I do read a bit of science-related non-fic. If nothing else, venturing on to TORC is lengthening my must-read list!<BR><BR>Ethel- I really can't recommend the BBC version. It is, of course, funny, but my imagination was really a lot better than the live-action. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I'm with Sarah. It's been very nice to have a *safe* place to chat and I 'd love to continue. I enjoy the free-form discussion without worrying about going off-topic. And besides everyone in the "family" seems to be getting along so well!<BR><BR>Noldorin- I'm *dying * to see what the ents look like! What did you think???<BR>
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