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Postby Ethel » Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:03 am

Hello all... just about to head to the airport to pick up friend, but wanted to quickly say that I anticipated the question about "leaving the nest" and inquired what the "rules" were on this. The feedback I got from the mods is that it's fine to get to know each other here, fine to get to chat here, and fine to continue to use it as a "safe haven. The only thing they object to is if people settle in and never venture elsewhere - apparently that was a problem with the old Welcome forum. And I know that's not an issue with any of you, so... heck, let's have a cup of tea!<BR><BR>In haste,<BR>Ethel
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Postby Saroneuroe » Sat Sep 28, 2002 4:38 pm

I'm glad we'll be able to continue socializing here. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I don't think that I would have felt so comfortable so quickly without the adoption forum. <BR><BR>Ethel- I just pulled out "Gate to Women's Country." There are 34 chapters. It's not broken up into parts. Let me know how many chunks you'd like to break it into.<BR><BR>Saro<BR>
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Postby Ethel » Mon Sep 30, 2002 12:06 am

Hello, everyone! I had such a lovely weekend. A good friend came to visit and we ate and drank and talked and laughed. On Saturday we went for a long, lovely hike near Lake Tahoe, through a gorgeous granite basin up to a little high-mountain lake: blue sky, blue lake, green trees, golden meadows, and white sparkly granite wherever you looked. I'm feeling a bit gimpy today - the hike was longer and steeper than I expected - but also fabulous and refreshed as I always do after time in the mountains. At the summit some clouds blew in, and it grew misty and cold and even rained a bit. (That may not sound very wonderful to <i>you</i> but after our long, hot, dry summer the coldness and wetness were exotic and delicious.)<BR><BR>But I missed out on a Feanor argument! Drat. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Sarah, I still mean to post about Tolkien's late revisions to Celeborn's story, but I think I'll do it in the "Celebrate Celeborn" thread as a way of finishing out the month. It's been silly but fun, and some people have been quite funny and creative. It was so successful as a way to amuse ourselves during this "movie news drought" period that the same group has decided on a theme for October too - the "Men of Middle-earth" pageant. We have even lured Saro into being a judge!<BR><BR>Noldo, I know that Pan&Scan/Widescreen thread is alarming, and unfortunately not the only thread in the Movies forum to be so. But please do not fear to post there. Most of the people are genuinely nice, and some of them are wonderful. If anyone is unkind to you I'll tear them to pieces. (I have a carefully cultivated reputation for "niceness" in the Movies forum - I was trying to set an example - and won't hesitate to trade on it on your behalf! )<BR><BR>So, do you all collect action figures? I never got into the movie merchandise myself, but far be it from me to mock anyone's obsession - I who saw the movie 15 times in the theater and have read nearly every word Tolkien ever wrote. What figures do you have, and do you like them, and what do you like about them? Do you have "favorites" ?<BR><BR>Saro, I started reading "Gate to Women's Country" this evening. I expect I'll be ready to talk about the first 8 chapters or so by tomorrow. I'm just ripping through it. She's a wonderful writer, isn't she? Just pulls you into her invented world, and her language and descriptions are such a pleasure. (She's already made me look up the word "crepuscular" )<BR><BR>I'm so glad you all seem to have positive feelings about the adoption concept. This forum initiated a new, and I think improved, process - which I expect will continue to evolve. I arrived at TORC at a difficult time. The boards were overwhelmed with newbies and the "oldbies" hated it. I found the place quite intimidating, and tried to find an adopter myself, but ended up with this teenage boy who was into role playing and not much else. He was very nice but... we just weren't on the same wavelength. Whereas this group has begun to feel like a congenial little 'family'. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Well, I'm off to catch up a bit in the other forums. Talk to you soon!
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Postby Saroneuroe » Mon Sep 30, 2002 5:41 am

Ethel- That sounds wonderful!!!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I'm jealous. I was home doing laundry and fighting a cold. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>Next weekend we're off to a renaissance faire with the in-laws. It should be fun, if it's not too cold. Last year we bought a wooden sword and shield for Cooper. He still plays with it all the time.<BR><BR>I started Gate to Women's Country on the train this morning. I should be through chapter eight by tonight. I always find it remarkable how a few years between readings of a book can change your perceptions. I'm looking forward to the discussion. <BR>
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Postby Ethel » Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:49 am

Sarah and Noldorin,<BR><BR>Just wanted to invite you to drop by the "Men of Middle-earth" Pageant thread over in the Movies forum. This is something that Mammo and I cooked up for October to follow the "Celebrate Celeborn" concept. It looks like it will be fun -- some of the early entries are pretty amusing. I'll be representing Haldir (still working on my picture). Saroneuroe has agreed to be a judge. If you have any interest in participating there are still some candidates without sponsors. This is a fun and friendly group.<BR><BR>Please don't feel obliged in any way -- I know this type of nonsense isn't everyone's cup of tea. But I wanted to make sure to invite you. You can access the thread via the link in my signature.<BR><BR>Cheers!<BR>Ethel
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Postby Ethel » Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:50 am

Another chance to see Haldir!
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Postby Ethel » Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:50 am

And yet another!<BR>
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Tue Oct 01, 2002 6:40 pm

Wow Ethel, a triple post! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>Thank you for the invitation to the Men of ME thread, I will check it out, though you may notice I tend to be a trifle earnest when I post in the movie forum <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>. At this time I am still checking TORC out, so not a "paying member", as you see, and cannot post a picture. In fact, I turn the pictures off because it seems to make downloading this monster easier on my computer.<BR><BR>My guests and I had a great weekend too. We volunteered as worker bees at the local zoo's yearly fund raiser and attended an English Country Dance workshop. It was loads of fun, and Jane Austen was in wonderful shape. My legs are still sore from dancing. It is <u>not</u>as easy as it looks.<BR><BR>Yes, I do collect LotR action figures, almost against my will. They are really remarkable, especially for bits of plastc and may be some metal. I have the fellowship, some orcs, Arwen and Elrond (um, yea, I like them too. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>), and THE WIZARDS. Love my wizards. <BR><BR>*cough*<BR><BR>Isn't it ridiculous? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0>
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Postby noldorin » Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:24 pm

Greetings all,<BR><BR>Hope everyone had a nice weekend; Ethel, it seems you had a very nice one indeed!<BR>I've been having problems logging on too, so I had to go no-graphics. Guess my modem can't handle the bandwidth. Let us know when you have that new Haldir pic, Ethel. I'll be sure to check out Men in ME; sounds like fun<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> If anyone is willing to continue discussing Feanor and his *ahem* contributions, I'd more than happy to start a thread in Books<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>. I like a good debate, just don't want to beat it like a dead horse.<BR><BR>I may have to break down and finally get an action figure- they are marvelously detailed and they actually resemble the actors! The Treebeard that I saw looked like, well, a tree with arm and legs but the neat part is that you can put Merry & Pippin on its head! I'm not sure if it's the final product but very interesting nonetheless. But it's by no means a silly thing at all<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Oh yes, I 've been having problems with double & triple posts too. It tells you that the message didn't go through and you reload, when it actually did so in the first place!:/<BR><BR>-Nol
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Postby Nimloth-in-Iber » Wed Oct 02, 2002 1:58 am

<BR><BR>Hello Ethel and adopted family:<BR><BR>I´m just a newbie and, not only I¨m sure of the difficulties of understand this wonderful and complex forum, but I maybe would have difficulties with the idioms... English is not my first lenguage.<BR><BR>But I you accept me it´ll be easier to solve m doubts and participate, having someone to question directly (that´s the idea about adoptions, of course).<BR><BR>If it´s OK for you, in my next post I would be please to introduce myself more extensively.<BR><BR>Nimloth
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Postby Ethel » Wed Oct 02, 2002 9:59 am

GRRRRR - I think I have 3 triple posts in this thread already! A triple triple! It seems to happen when the connection is slow. I know not to click "Done" more than once, no matter what the error messages say, but it still happens. TORC is overburdened. It has the infrastructure of a small web site but grew exponentially after FOTR was released. Ted and Jonathan are working on it, and that's part of the reason they are hoping to recruit more premier members - they are currently supporting much of the bandwidth out of their own pockets, and would like to change that and also invest a faster server and so forth.<BR><BR>While I'm on the topic of premiere memberships, I'd like to clarify something. I keep the link in my signature because I love TORC and want to encourage people to support it, but this is emphatically NOT directed at the newcomers in this thread. I had been posting here for several months, and had made some real friends, before I decided to become a premiere member. It only makes sense to get to know the place, and your relationship to it, prior to making that committment. I was surprised (but delighted!) to see that Saroneuroe had done so, but I think in her case it was a matter of feeling an immediate affinity for the site. I guess what I'm trying to say is, take your time, get to know the place, and DON'T feel guilty!<BR><BR>Regarding the "Men of Middle-earth" silliness, though, you really do not need a premiere membership to participate.<BR><BR><BR>Sarah,<BR>I have very much enjoyed reading your posts in the Movies forum - you seem to fit right in. Despite my involvement in some of the silly threads, I'm actually very passionate about Tolkien and the movies too, and the majority of my posts tend toward the earnest as well. One of the things I like about that forum is the mixture of seriousness, scholarship, and humor at any given time.<BR><BR>I envy you the English Country Dance workshop! I would <i>love</i> to do that. At my brother's wedding he had contra dancing, which is a kind of descendant of English country dancing. It was such a hoot dancing reels and jigs with his New York actor friends.<BR><BR>I guess I'm going to have to check out those action figures...<BR> <BR><BR>Noldorin,<BR>Oh, it was a wonderful weekend. The Sierras are <i>so</i> beautiful, and they're just a short drive away - one of the things I really like about where I live.<BR><BR>I've been having problems logging on too. It probably isn't your dial-up connection that's at fault - see comments above regarding infrastructure. Though I'm very excited to be getting a cable modem this week. Hurrah for bandwidth! Turns out it will cost just about the same as the payments to the ISP plus the second phone line. (I <i>had</i> to get a second phone line as either I or my son were online half the time - no one could reach us!)<BR><BR>I'd be happy to participate in a Feanor thread in Books if you'd like to start one. I would suggest that you formulate a specific question as a thread topic, to get discussion started. One possibility would be - why did Feanor's sons keep to their oath even when they saw all the evil it did? (I've always wondered.) Or some such. What a bunch of bad boys they were!<BR><BR> <BR>Nimloth-in-Iber,<BR>Hello and welcome to TORC! You would be very welcome to join our little "family". <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> This is indeed a large and complex web site, and I would be happy to help you learn to navigate it. There are many posters at TORC whose first language is not English, and I am always impressed at how well they express themselves - you write it very well. Please feel free to ask for explanations of any idioms you do not understand.<BR><BR>Please do post again and introduce yourself! I would be interested in knowing where you live, your native language, how you got interested in Tolkien, how you chose your screen name, and a little of your personal history. Does "in-Iber" suggest that you are Spanish, as in Iberia? (I am acquainted with two TORC posters who come from Spain but are now living in the UK. Their screen names are Berhael and Breogan, and they are both very nice.)<BR><BR>I would also be happy to answer any questions you may have about me or the web site. Welcome and well met!<BR><BR>Cheers to all! It's a lovely, cool, windy fall day here in Northern California - what's the weather like where you are?<BR><BR>Ethel
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Postby Saroneuroe » Wed Oct 02, 2002 10:14 am

Nimloth-in-Iber- Welcome to the family! I'm looking forward to learning more about you.<BR><BR>Ethel- Congrats on the cable access. I don't think that I could go back to dial up access. I'm enjoying the posts on MOME. Everyone is being really creative. Especially those <i>without</i> premier memberships. I'm not really a very naturally silly person, but I do enjoy watching others making fo...I mean expressing their creativity. The competition is going to be tight. One question, I had assumed that the "votes" stat referred to votes in the voting booth, but I've only voted once and my votes stat is now up to 4. Is it just a glitch? Or do votes refer to something else?<BR><BR>PS- Why hasn't Haldir made his debut yet??<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Noldorin- I'm trying to hold firm on the action figures. I haven't purchased any yet, but... they look very nice. I was pretty impressed with the spoilers posted of treebeard. His depiction is one of the things that I've been worried about.<BR><BR>Hope to see you all over on MOME!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saro<BR><BR>edited to add- They removed all the pix of treebeard off the internet. Glad I got a peak for the few hours that they were up.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Ethel » Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:31 pm

Saro,<BR>Yes, I'm really looking forward to that cable modem. I've had AOL for years and I just hate them. (or hat them as Bernil would say) I only kept it out of inertia, and because when he was younger my son liked some of the features. But I'm SO ready for faster access!<BR><BR><i>I'm enjoying the posts on MOME. Everyone is being really creative. Especially those without premier memberships. I'm not really a very naturally silly person, but I do enjoy watching others making fo...I mean expressing their creativity. The competition is going to be tight. </i><BR><BR>I'm glad you're enjoying it. I really am too. I'm amazed that we got so many people to participate, and that they all seem to be more or less in sync. There's a fair number I didn't know beforehand - who got involved in the Celeborn thing and now this. MOME was just something that Mammo and I cooked up one night over IM. I love watching people make fools of themselves too, even when it's me! Did you realize that Feline is not a native English speaker? Aren't you impressed? I think she's Finnish. She's an Elvish expert too - once posted a long analysis of the Elvish pronunciation in the film - well worth looking up if you care about such things. Interestingly, she thought Viggo did the best job - that Danish background, perhaps.<BR><BR>Don't worry about the judging - I think it's a lot more about amusing ourselves than winning. Though Haldir would certainly like to be a Duke. You judges will probably need to figure out a way to do some email caucusing (sp?) when it's prize time.<BR><BR><i>One question, I had assumed that the "votes" stat referred to votes in the voting booth, but I've only voted once and my votes stat is now up to 4. Is it just a glitch? Or do votes refer to something else?</i><BR><BR>Ah, votes. A couple of months ago, Jon and Ted introduced a feature whereby you could rate posts as Interesting, Noteworthy, Off-Topic or whatever. It was kinda cool but the software created problems so they disabled it. The Votes and Renown features were linked in some way that was never fully explained, but what it amounted to was that the longer-term members had more votes to "spend" each day. Both features appear to have been calculated primarily by join date. Anyway, it's sort of beside the point at the moment.<BR><BR><i>PS- Why hasn't Haldir made his debut yet??</i><BR><BR>I think you'll find he has now! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I wanted my pic in place before I posted. Haldir, alas, has turned out to be a rather snooty, fey sort of chap - it just seemed to fit with his movie persona. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Ethel
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Postby Nimloth-in-Iber » Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:38 pm

Hello Ethel , Saroneuroe and the rest of the family,<BR><BR>I would like to tell you something about me, so I´ll answer<BR><BR>"A few starting questions:<BR>1. How did you choose your screen name?<BR>2. What stage of life are you in? (student, work, parent, etc?)<BR>3. Where do you live in Real Life? (very roughly)<BR>4. When did you first read Tolkien? How many times? Do you love the books?<BR>5. Have you seen Peter Jackson's FOTR, and did you like it?"<BR><BR>1- As surely you know, Nimloth is "white blossom" or "white flower", and my real name (Susana) has a similar meaning. About "in-Iber", I´m amazed, Ethel, because you guessed accurately: Iberia is the ancient name of my country, Spain.<BR>2. I´m a mother of two children, 3 and 10 years old. I´m working as a doctor, too, so I´ve very little free time. But this kind of forums are wonderfully relaxing for me...<BR>3. I live in Spain, in Burgos, a medium city in the north of the country. It´s a very nice and historical place, but with a horrible weather. <BR>4. Read LoTR the first time when it was published for the first time in Spain, back in 79 or 80, when I was an adolescent. I had to wait some months after reading the first book for the publishing of the second and the same between the second and the third: the impatience nearly killed me. Some time after I bougth them in the original language and reread them almost every year. The Silmarillion was too a great impact for me. Last time I read LoTR was aloud, in spanish, of course, for my eldest daugther. I wanted her to know the books and haver her own images of the characters and the places, before watching the film.<BR>5. In general I liked and enjoyed Jackson´s TCoTR, but I can´t forgive him the elves. In my opinion all af them were disappointing.<BR><BR>Well, until the next post.<BR>Cheers,<BR>Nimloth <BR>
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Postby Saroneuroe » Thu Oct 03, 2002 2:55 pm

Nimloth- It must have been a very different experience to have to wait for months in between reading each of the books. I'm often reluctant to buy *any* books that I know are going to be a series until they've all been published. I guess I'm just not very patient.<BR><BR>My son is 4.5 years old. He's not quite ready for books without pictures. I can't wait to read The Hobbit to him. Unfortunately, I'm sure he will have seen the Lord of the Rings film before he gets a chance to read the books.<BR><BR>Ethel-I've posted my comments for Chapters 9-16 of Gate to Women's Country. I'm well into the third part. See above on lack of patience. Actually, in school I always read ahead, but I'm trying to be good.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saro
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:15 pm

<i>Sarah hugs her adopted sisters and aunt.</i><BR><BR>Saro, Amazon has the latest action figures, if you are anxious to get them early.<BR><BR>Noldori, I will check out your Feanor thread as soon as I can. The last few evenings I have been downloading the trailer and reading the endless comments on it.....and the spoilers. Work is a bear and my computer is slow too...but life is good, very good. It would get better if we would get some rain and cooler weather. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Ethel, never, ever, do I feel pressure from you to become a premiere member. I was just thinking it would be hard to enter in a pagent if noone could see your "man"......<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Nimloth, I have long wanted to visit Spain. It looks like a gorgeous country. In fact, it has a bit of a middle earth flavor-especially the Pyrenees and Cantabria. My opinion is strictly based on photos in guide books. What do you think?<BR><BR>Edited: spelling
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Postby Ethel » Fri Oct 04, 2002 4:16 pm

Apologies for being slow to answer -- I've been offline for the last 24 hours or so. I had trouble with my AOL connection and since I was getting broadband today I thought I'd spare myself the torture of talking to AOL tech support! WooT wOOt!<BR><BR>My new email address is: <a href="mailto:jan_lewis@attbi.com">jan_lewis@attbi.com</a><BR><BR><BR>Nimloth,<BR>I am so pleased that my guess about your nationality was correct. Now if I can just stop triple-posting, I'll <i>really</i> feel clever.<BR><BR>I am impressed that a woman doctor with two young children can find the time and energy to post on a foreign language forum! You must really love Tolkien. Is Tolkien popular in Spain, or are you very unusual? (I think of his mythology as being particularly northern European.)<BR><BR>I had never heard of Burgos so I looked it up on the map - in Castile, yes? Looks like you are close to some mountains. I have been to Europe several times but never, alas, to Spain. My ex-husband lived in Madrid for two years though, and always spoke of the country with great fondness. (He's now a Spanish teacher - we are divorced but still friends.) My ex also claims that he used to play volleyball with José María Aznar at the University of Madrid!<BR><BR>I also read LoTR aloud to my son. He was only 6, and I thought he was a little young, but he knew I loved the books and kept begging me to read it to him. He actually understood it very well though. It took us about 6 months to get through it!<BR><BR>The Silmarillion is a much harder book to read. The Middle-earth background it contains is interesting, but it's much more like reading a history book than a novel.<BR><BR>I agree that Peter Jackson's elves were dark and strange. It's a "somewhat" legitimate interpretation - I believe he was influenced by The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales as well as LoTR. But Elrond was WAY too bad tempered, Celeborn seemed stupid, and Galadriel was just frightening. Did you not even like Legolas? I thought he was the most successful elf.<BR><BR>A couple of questions for you... have you visited the Tolkien Books forum yet? And would you be interested in connecting with any of the other Spaniards at TORC? (I'm thinking in particular of Berhael, who is a delightful person, though unfortunately very busy right now writing her thesis.)<BR><BR><BR>Saro,<BR>Saw your post in the Books forum - maybe we can catch up on Sunday and talk about the whole book? <BR><BR><BR>Sarah,<BR>I finally got the fullscreen version of the new trailer, and I think it looks fabulous. I should have waited until I got broadband -- it took almost 4 hours over my dial-up connection -- but I just couldn't!<BR><BR>I'm glad to hear your reassurance about not feeling pressured to get premiere membership - that was NEVER my intention. But I started worrying because I had the link in my signature, and Saro got hers so fast, and here I was inviting you all to a picture-intensive thread! I do now have a Haldir pic in my signature if you'd like to turn images on briefly. It was the first time I had ever used Paint Shop, and I would be embarrassed to tell you how long it took me! Actually, one of the MOME judges, Rebecca, put together a web page with all the silly pictures if you'd like to look at them at once. (And she's also including pictures from the non-premiere members who sent them to her. Here's the link, if you are interested:<BR><BR><a target=new href="http://students.juniata.edu/comptrn1/MOME.htm">http://students.juniata.edu/comptrn1/MOME.htm</a><BR><BR>It was a rather chaming thing to do, I thought. Did you know we have several mother-daughter "teams" in the Movies forum? Rebecca is the daughter of theduffster, and vynaca_of_mirkwood is the daughter of Mammo. They're all a hoot.<BR><BR><i>*Ethel sets out the tea pot and a plate of scones*</i><BR><BR>Have a good weekend, everyone!<BR>Ethel
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Postby Ethel » Fri Oct 04, 2002 4:17 pm

Alas! Broadband or not, I'm still triple posting! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0>
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Postby Ethel » Fri Oct 04, 2002 4:17 pm

Not so clever after all! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby noldorin » Fri Oct 04, 2002 6:03 pm

Good evening all!<BR>I seem to have better luck logging in at night <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Hail and well met, Nimloth, welcome to our growing family<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I think it's great that you read to your daughter; some of my fondest childhood memories were of my parents reading to me.<BR><BR>Ethel, I might be right behind you with broadband, I've been fed up with AOL for awhile too. Your thoughts on premiere membership was very helpful; it only makes sense to test the water before diving in<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Sarah, I haven't gotten around to posting Feanor yet- life has been busy indeed. But I should have more free time this weekend. Or you can start one; I just wanted to throw the idea out there. <BR>Elves dark and dangerous??? Hmmmm...sounds like another intriguing debate topic....<BR><BR>Now that Haldir pic....<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> 'Men want him, women want to be him', LOL!<BR><BR>Saro, I don't envy your position as judge at all <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Cheers, <BR>-Nol
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Postby Saroneuroe » Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:41 am

Ethel- I'll be online Sunday afternoon to start discussion of the book. I was gone from MOME for less than 48 hours and had almost a hundred TORC emails in my mailbox! How can I unsubscribe to a thread? I don't really need to know about each post on MOME, I just check it every day now. It's been pretty amusing.<BR><BR>PS- I didn't feel any pressure from you to get a PM. I just thought that this site was worth it to me.<BR><BR>Sarah- No action figures for me. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> I've been BAD. VERY BAD. I bought a new dress at renaissance faire yesterday. It's beautiful! But I can't justify any more frivolous purchases for quite awhile!<BR><BR>Nol- I think that the judges have some very different opinions about the contestants. The judging process should be interesting. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saro<BR><BR>edited to add- look ma 100 posts!
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Postby Ethel » Sun Oct 06, 2002 10:19 am

Noldo,<BR>Broadband is BLISS. I downloaded the full-screen TTT trailer in 5 minutes! For me it made sense economically too, because the broadband monthly fee was about the same as AOL plus a second phone line - both of which I can now get rid of. Mind you, I spent half of yesterday on the phone with ATT and Microsoft solving a Winsock issue, but hopefully that was a one time deal.<BR><BR>There's a current Feanor thread over in Books-Tolkien, but it's kind of a dumb one (was Feanor really so bad?) Do be sure to search before starting another new one -- there have (naturally) been a LOT of Feanor threads.<BR><BR><BR>Saro,<BR>The first icon (of three) at the upper right of a post is the Subscribe icon. You can use it to either subscribe or unsubscribe to a thread. To subscribe you need to actually be in the thread in question, but you can unsubscribe anywhere - for instance, you could click on the Subscribe icon here, and it would show you ALL threads you're subscribed to and allow you to unsubscribe.<BR><BR>I don't recommend subscribing to a thread unless you're the thread's "author" and you need to pay attention to it. This is the only thread I subscribe to.<BR><BR>Ethel
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Postby Nimloth-in-Iber » Mon Oct 07, 2002 3:47 pm

<BR>Aiya, my adopted family,<BR><BR> Saron, of course waiting for the second and third books of the trilogy was, as I remember, kind of hard trial, but there was no other option: I could´t by then read in english...and the reward was satisfactory enough.<BR><BR> Sarah, you would enjoy visiting Spain. Here there are, in no so big a territory, very different landscapes: from the sunny places of the south an east, with mediaterranean vegetation like orange, palm and olive tree groves, to the dry planes of the centre and the green valleys and mountains of the north. I love the Cantabria and Asturias mountains and even more the Pyrenees (my father family origins are there). And there is too a very magical place I love in Spain, the celtic Galicia, where the Finisterre (the end of the land) of Europe was, the Gray Heavens.<BR><BR> Ethel, some evenings really feel I´ve got not enough energy to switch on my PC. But when the girls are in bed (and since this summer my husband spends the week working in Madrid and we can´t reunite until Friday, so I´ve no one at home to speak with), it´s a pleasure for me to connect with TORC or other forums. I meet too some spanish Tolkien forums. There is a lot of people here interested in LOTR, I´m not so inusual.<BR>Do you speak some spanish? I suppose it´s enough common now in the States, as a second language, and if you ex is a teacher, you had got a good opportunity! By the way, did he like Aznar?<BR>About the film and the elves, well, Legolas (Bloom) is a good looking guy, and I agree with you that he´s the most succesful of the lot (even though not absolutely of my liking), but Elrond? not only bad tempered, not at all wise and compasionate, but really ugly. And Rivendell, where is the joy and the laughing and the songs? I found the house of Elrond too much sad and decadent. Not my idea of "elvish".<BR><BR>Finishing my post, Ethel, I would like a little explanation about guilds and this kind of associations. Every guild has a thread? Do you think is interesting joining one?<BR>And about the subtitle in some names, like "the pirate daugther" or "the mistress of the silent hunt", what are their meanings?<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Nimloth
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Postby Ethel » Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:00 am

Nimloth,<BR><BR>I've learned a few more things about Burgos from my "ex": that there is a beautiful Gothic catherdral, and that El Cid is buried there. This seems so exotic and wonderful to me! I live in a town whose claim to history dates back only to the 1849 California Gold Rush!<BR><BR>I'm sorry to say I don't speak any Spanish at all -- except for the food words and city names that everyone who lives in California cannot help but know. Alas, I learned French instead. It gave me the opportunity to read some wonderful French literature, but it is of little practical use where I live.<BR><BR>Regarding my ex and Aznar... they played volleyball together on the University of Madrid team back in the 1970's. I asked my ex what he remembered about Aznar, and this is what he said:<UL><li>He was a good volleyball player - the #2 setter on the team (the #1 setter was on the Spanish Olympic team)<li>He was intelligent and charming, and very serious about politics<li>He played guitar beautifully<li>He liked girls and brandy</UL><BR>I do appreciate your comments about the elves in the FOTR movie. I believe I <u>understand</u> what Peter Jackson was trying to do with the elves, but I have some problems with them too. I will try to find you a good thread in the Movies Forum where you can express this, and link it here.<BR><BR>Guilds and associations... well, that forum is basically a place for people with similar interests to share them, and chat, and otherwise interact. I myself have not joined any of the guilds or alliances, but I think that's because I simply have not seen any that appeal to me. (By the way, the guilds and alliances in the "People of Middle Earth" forum have nothing to do with the alliance in Your Settings -- that simply selects the graphic that displays with your name.)<BR><BR>If you are not a premiere member, your "title" is determined by your post count as follows:<BR><BR>0-19 posts..........Petitioner to the Council<BR>20-99 posts.........Citizen of Imladris<BR>100-499 posts.......Shield Bearer<BR>500-999 posts.......Rider of the Mark<BR>1000-4999 posts.....Ranger of the North<BR>5000-9999 posts.....Mariner<BR>10,000+ posts.......Ringbearer<BR><BR>However, if you are a premiere member you are allowed to choose your own title. (And you are also allowed to post a picture and text in your "signature" ) People use their titles in various ways -- sometimes to express something very personal, sometimes as a joke -- but I can explain the two you ask about.<BR><BR>My screen name "Ethel" and my title "the Pirate's Daughter" are meant to work together. They were inspired by the movie "Shakespeare in Love", in which Shakespeare is supposed to be writing a comedy called "Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter" (which later turns into "Romeo and Juliet" ). I loved the film and chose my name and title as a reference to it.<BR><BR>Saroneuroe's title "Mistress of the Silent Hunt" has to do with the fact that she raises basenji dogs. These are the famous African "barkless" dogs, and this non-barking quality inspired her title -- as in, a lady who raises hunting dogs that don't bark.<BR><BR>Best wishes,<BR>Ethel<BR><BR>~~~~~~~~~~ WARNING! BLATANT PLEA FOR SYMPATHY FOLLOWS! ~~~~~~~~~~<BR>My dear sisters, on Sunday I fractured a bone in my left "big" toe when a Heavy Thing fell upon it. Now, a broken toe is in no way a life-threatening injury, and otherwise I am perfectly well. But... my toe looks like a Polish sausage, all swollen and purple. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> And it <i>hurts</i>. And I won't be able to wear a decent looking pair of shoes for a couple of months at least. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0><BR><BR>That's actually why I've not been about the last couple of days. The doctor told me to keep my toe "higher than my heart" (which does, in fact, seem to help) ... but it's not easy to type with your foot over your head!<BR><BR>So I will gratefully accept any and all "cheer up" type sentiments, and I apologize for misusing the Adoption function to this end! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>E
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Postby Nimloth-in-Iber » Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:08 am

Hello Ethel,<BR><BR> I´m very much sorry about your accident and your poor and sore toe. What kind of terrible weigth crushed it?, would you need stay at home during a time or will you continue working and with your normal life, but limping?...Well I wish you would recover soon.<BR><BR> About Aznar, his public image after some years in the presidence of the government is not at all like the memories of your ex... he has not a knack for sympathy, and seems too much grim and authoritarian. But it´s nice to know that some time ago he was a cool guy.<BR><BR> Cheers,<BR><BR>Nimloth<BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Saroneuroe » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:14 am

Ethel- Best wishes for a quick (as possible) and complete recovery! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saro<BR>
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Postby Ethel » Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:58 pm

Nimloth & Saro,<BR><BR>Thank you so much for your sympathy messages. I confess I am rather a baby about pain, but the worst seems to be over. As long as I keep my foot elevated it's not bad at all any more.<BR><BR>Mind you, it LOOKS terrible -- think really dark purple -- and I can't wear any shoes except some sandals that I can leave unfastened over the left toes. But considering how bad it seemed last Sunday, I think I've made a lot of progress. It was a simple fracture, and the doc says it will be about six weeks until the toe is "normal" again. Could definitely be worse! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Nimloth, my ex knew Senor Aznar only in a very informal setting, but he did like him at the time. (My ex thinks the volleyball team kept him around only because he could introduce them to American girls!)<BR><BR><i>Ethel waves her great purple toe in salute!</i><BR><BR>Thanks!<BR>Ethel
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Postby sarahwoodruff » Fri Oct 11, 2002 6:41 pm

OOOOO Ethel! Hurt toe? Hope you feel better soon. Just made a pan of yummy ginger bread, here is a piece fresh from the oven and a cup of Darjeeling.<BR><BR><i>Sarah flutters around Ethel.</i><BR><BR>I would however, <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>, <b>love</b> to see you typing with your foot higher than your heart!<BR><BR>Please get well soon, auntie/sis, big hug.<BR><BR>Nim, I shall, someday, visit Spain. I have made England and Italy, two "musts" in my travel life, and Spain will happen. What do you think of a woman traveling alone in Spain? Any tips?<BR><BR>Sauro, I love the title "mistress of the silent hunt" and the association with your dogs. It's simply beautiful.
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Postby noldorin » Sat Oct 12, 2002 8:06 am

Oh my! So sorry to hear about your toe Ethel! I'll bet it hurts like the devil, I hope your doctr gave you some good painkillers. As for the swelling, elevating the foot when you're sitting helps, and an occasional warm compress will increase circulatory flow in the area, thus decreasing the edemic effect (the nurse in me is coming out) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I didn't know Basenjis were a 'barkless' breed; I heard Malamutes were also. You learn something new every day- now I see how you chose your title, Saro, cool!<BR><BR>Well, I'm on a mini-vacation starting Mon, I'll be in Arizona, so have a nice weekend everyone and take care <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>-Nol<BR><BR>edited to add: I'm glad Shakespeare chose 'Juliet' over 'Ethel' <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Ethel » Sun Oct 13, 2002 5:37 pm

Hello, All,<BR><BR>I hope you had a pleasant weekend. I'm happy to report my toe is much improved. At least it looks like a toe again, though it's still fairly purple, shading to green in a few spots. But it feels much better, and I am finally able to wear some of my less "demanding" shoes. Thank you for the sympathy -- I shall be prepared to provide the same to you!<BR><BR>Do you realize we have a doctor, a nurse, and a biological researcher in this thread? Isn't that odd? Perhaps I should rename it Aunt Ethel's Med Lab. (Though I wouldn't be much use unless you need help with the computer... )<BR><BR><BR><i>I would however, , love to see you typing with your foot higher than your heart!</i><BR><BR>Sarah - I assure you it looked completely ridiculous!<BR><BR><i>I'm glad Shakespeare chose 'Juliet' over 'Ethel'</i><BR><BR>Noldo - I think we can all agree that was a good call. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Cheers to all!<BR>Ethel
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