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Postby cemthinae » Wed Nov 19, 2003 5:42 am

Hello!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Alcani~ Craig has dark hair & dark eyes & a great accent... what's not to swoon for?!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>As for Josh... if you go to his website you can listen to clips of his music! They take a bit to load, but the wait is worth it!! His voice is so powerful! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> (He is rather a bit like a hobbit... very curly, moppish hair!)<BR><BR>Hi Arve & 99 & everyone else! Here's to hoping we get some VERY GOOD news from Saro soon!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> ~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0> (I'm an all-purpose-high-quality-information-vehicle! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>)
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Postby Nienna99 » Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:34 am

<BR>Thanks, Alcani, and...here's 600. (Ack, I've got a pink boob thingy again!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>Good morning, Cem, I hope you're getting enough sleep! <BR><BR>Hi to Arve and everyone,<BR><BR>99
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Postby Anneri » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:28 am

Just a quick post -<BR><BR>Hi to you all! I had a terrible morning, but then I got to hear 'Into the West' and was so moved that I sat in front of the Computer, crying... I mean, what will that movie do with me???<BR><BR>I still haven't the EE, and won't get it till end of next week at the earliest point. And, truth to tell, I suffer from a kind of Tolkien overkill right now, due to the Ring*Con (that's the one in Bonn, Germany, Alcani!).<BR>And Craig is very, very cute - he has blonde highlights now, Cem! And just so nice and relaxed when you talk to him. He always had a cluster of girls around him, but apparently his interests lie elsewhere...<BR><BR>Alcani, you aren't alone in ragards to Revolutions! I did like the end very much, and the music which was played during the credits was awesome, but the rest was just ok.<BR>And you know you're a geek when the only map you can actually read is the map of M-E. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I bought a map of Beleriand a few weeks ago, a wonderful thing, illustrated by John Howe, and it's now on the wall in my flat. <BR><BR>See ya!
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Postby cemthinae » Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:24 am

<i>but apparently his interests lie elsewhere...</i><BR><BR>Ok, elaborate!! I command of thee!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Since I've sworn off spoilers I am dying to hear ROTK soundtrack... but I won't! I'm glad to hear it is moving though!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0> (a little more rested... but not quite all the way!)
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Postby Anneri » Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:28 am

Well, Cem, apparently he's not interested in girls... at least everybody told me so. <BR><BR>Quite unrelated to that I wanted to say at last that I admire you deeply - apparently unexhaustable, devoted to your work and a caring and cheerful person. I tend to whine a lot, and then I look at your posts and have to shake my head about myself. Thanks for that.<BR><BR>And don't worry about the soundtrack - it convinced me at last that my worries about the movie are without any reasons!
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Postby cemthinae » Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:30 pm

Thanks, sweetie!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> (on both accounts!)<BR><BR>I've got to jot... going to a show tonight! I'm late... go figure!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0>
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Postby thematrix&lotrrocks » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:11 pm

Hmmm....why are people swapping alliances?? Are you deliberatly trying to confuse me? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR> I might consider it myself, but i refuse to turn to the 'dark side' . <BR><BR>May the force be with you (or if your arve, may the force STAY with you)<BR><BR>~Roxi~
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Postby cemthinae » Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:30 pm

Roxi~ it involves a spoiler from ROTK... that's the reason alot of white hands have been cropping up! Just a quick browse in movies will tell you why!! (I'm spoiler free so I'm not going to offer any more than that!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>Nice to see you back! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Everyone have a nice day!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> ~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alcanielle » Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:03 pm

Hey y'all. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Ooh. Cem, adorable sig. And I must say I agree with Anneri. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Thanks, I'll check out the Josh Groban webbie again. Urk. I must resist. I must save up to buy RotK soundtrack. Sounds good. Hm. *squirms* <BR><BR>Anneri, the music that played during the credits is called "Navras". You could listen to it <a href='http://www.matrixbeats.com/matrix3soundtrack.htm' target=_blank>here </a>Scroll down to the end of the page where it says "here" in green and voila <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> You need Quicktime, though...<BR><BR>As for Craig Parker you guys can have him. I'll stick to Viggo. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> (He's my dad's age <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>Nienna, er..."booby thing"? Ack. I never saw it that way till you pointed it out...heh. Suddenly I don't feel too encouraged to hit a hundred. Long way to go. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Roxi, hm, yeah, I'm not going to go over to the dark side...But I kind of swapped from Rohan to Valinor cos' I now have a great desire to visit that place. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> (Arve and Cem, I'm reading Beren and Luthien now by the way. Whee.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>Hope Griffin arrives soon. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>YoO-hOo, Arve. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>Ta then.<BR><BR>(ooh, smiley overload.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>~alcani.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Postby Anneri » Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:02 am

Thanks for the link, Alcani! And save that money to buy the soundtrack. What I've heard sounds just awesome!<BR><BR>And Viggo - yes, definitely the most swoonworthy of the whole lot, but I wouldn't make it through an actual meeting - I'd be lying senseless on the floor and talking gibberish! Craig is... more... approachable?! At least for me. Don't know what Ethel would say to that. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>Ethel, dear, what about meeting 'Haldir'? What would your reaction be?<BR>(And please, please say something about my monster-post about Austen, would you? Please? It took me ages to write... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>Have a nice day - I phoned a friend this morning who's going to England today, and she'll buy the EE and the soundtrack for me over there! I'll get it next week! w00tw00t!<BR>(You don't know how lucky you are, guys, living in an English speaking country... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0>)
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Postby cemthinae » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:51 am

Yep, Josh is definetly worth checking out!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>As for swooning for Viggo/Aragorn... I have tried from the very bottom of my heart & cannot find anything swoon-worthy about him!! My sis just goes ga-ga over him & I simply can't understand it! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Anneri~ Austen... I'm too tired now, other than to say that I disagree, obviously! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I'm wondering which of her works you've read... maybe you should try "Persuasion"! You read that... I'll track down a copy of "Romeo & Juliet"!! Georgette Hayer... read something of hers awhile ago... it was pretty good, don't remember much though, sorry!<BR><BR>Off to work I go... Wheeeeeeeee!! ~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alcanielle » Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:42 am

Ah! Kindred spirit. Yay for Viggo. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I looked at something on the RotK soundtrack online...and it said the normal version costs $20.00??? If that's in US dollars, and they're going to sell it at the equivalent price here, that's about 40 bucks. Oh.no.oh.no.oh.no. Hm. Perhaps the Matrix OST can wait...<BR><BR>Cem, you have a sis? Ah I have a younger one too. Please <i>please</i> tell me yours is younger...then I can start a full-fledged rant/complaint. Heh. <BR><BR>Well then 'ta. Feeling rather zoink'd. And I haven't even done anything. Gosh.
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Postby Anneri » Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:44 am

Well, to be more precise - it's Aragorn who's the most swoonworthy, and Viggo's the guy with whom I'd like to have a long talk about art, horses, and life in general. <BR><BR>Favourite Georgette Heyer books - 'These old shades', 'The Masqueraders' and 'Lord John'. And from 'The Spanish Bride' and 'An Infamous Army' I've nearly all my knowledge about the Napoleonic Wars and Waterloo. I've to admit that I like her descriptions of battles...<BR>But then, history'll always be a kind of hobby for me...
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Postby Ethel » Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:25 am

I'm sorry, everyone. I have been in deepest, darkest Texas and haven't yet had time to catch up. Haven't even had time to watch the extended DVD yet!<BR><BR>I'll be back this evening to try to respond properly - and yes, Anneri, I owe you a reply to your very thoughtful literary post. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Ethel<BR>Still around, just a bit rattled <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby Anneri » Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:41 am

Ethel!<BR><BR>*jumps up and down enthusiastically*<BR><BR>Nice to see you again. Recover from Texas, relax. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Don't worry about that reply.
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Postby cemthinae » Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:14 pm

Alcani~ I have 4 younger sisters!! Feel free to rant at any time!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Anneri~ I believe I read "The Spanish Bride", even though the title turned me off a bit! I guess I'll have to re-read it!!<BR><BR>Ethel~ YEAH!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> We missed you!<BR><BR>I have this weekend off... mostly! I think I'll finally be able to catch up on my sleep!! ~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alcanielle » Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:30 pm

Hi Ethel <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> If it's any consolation I don't even have the DVD. Zoink.<BR><BR>Cem- how did you ever manage to grow up to this age? o.O Ah well. My sister reckons Gimli is adorable. And she worships Hilary Duff. Preteens. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Anneri- Hm, yeah, I'd have to agree...Horses are divine. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> You might like Hidalgo then...it's full of Arabian horses <i>and</i> Viggo. Heh. I think it's not releasing here till next January or so anyway...<BR><BR>Lalala. I'm going to India on Sunday. Cousin's wedding. Three weeks of no TORC. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Ah but I get to grow fat. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby cemthinae » Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:41 pm

Alcani~ While I love all of my sisters dearly, they each are annoying in their own way!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> But I have 5 brothers to counter all the girlishness in our home!!<BR><BR>I'd have to agree on the horses... just not the Viggo! I love horses very much, they were my first love til I found llamas! I still love to watch them & was thinking about going to see that movie too.<BR><BR>Oh, India... I love Indian food! A friend of a friend got me together with an Indian family & they welcomed me to a delightful dinner! They also were vegetarian so we had more in common!<BR><BR>Have fun~ Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alcanielle » Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:25 am

Ten children in the house? o.O Hm. I have just one sister...Heh. Oh! You're vegetarian! Bless you! So am I <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>Oh llamas are adorable. So are mudskippers. I went on a field trip to this mangrove swamp we have here (which is one of our two tiiiiiiny nature reserves o.O) and I was rather thrilled to see them. It's a pity really...you guys are really really lucky to live in places where you don't practically faint for joy if you see a bird besides a sparrow, pigeon or mynah that's not on TV or in a cage. Zoink.<BR><BR>Hm. Actually that should have been more evident to me considering your line of work...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0><BR><BR>YoOhOo! Where's everyone else?
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Postby Varda2779 » Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:39 am

Gee, all this talk of the Extended Edition is driving me mad! The town that I live in doesn't have it anywhere so I have to wait for ages before I can get my hands on a copy. I have been carefully trying to avoid any reviews of it to save myself from spoilers, but it hasn't been easy. I don't know if there is actually a certain topic being discussed here, so feel free to correct me if I have erred in my response.
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Postby Arvedui_the_Last » Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:05 pm

Well I have been away working hard and not sleeping much (I blame Cem’s influence<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>) so it’s nice to pop back over here and see how you all are.<BR><BR>Alcan, I live five minutes away from fields and a working farm, so it’s hard for me to appreciate just how <i>urban</i> it must be in Singapore. Indian food is the best in the world, so if I ever do get to the sub-continent I’m going to be soooo fat I’ll need to be pushed back home in a wheelbarrow!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> I hope you enjoy your visit.<BR><BR>Welcome Varda2779 to Auntie Ethel’s and Sister Saro’s. This is one of TORC’s Adoption threads, where new posters like you can ask any questions they may have about the forums or TORC in general. Chat about whatever you like, this is one of the places where a new poster (n00bie) can be sure of a friendly response.<BR><BR>Anneri, Cem, Ethel and everyone else, I hope your all ok and having a great weekend. <BR><BR>It’s great news about Saro and not so little baby Griffin, he’s finally arrived!<BR><BR><BR>Arve (not an officer, <i>maybe</i> a gentleman)
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Postby Ethel » Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:06 pm

Varda2779 - hello and welcome. As Avedui says, this is an "Adoption" thread which means any and every topic of conversation is acceptable. Although for a real chat, drop by the "Tea with Auntie" thread linked in my sig.<BR><BR>Not sure that you're exactly here to be "adopted" but you're welcome either way. Being adopted just means that you hang out with us a bit so you have a few friends before you start posting a lot - and also have a friendly place to ask questions. So if you're interested in that, why not start by telling us a little about yourself? I'm a single mother whose only son just started college in California, but I recently moved to southern Colorado (where, by the way, it is bitterly cold today - at least to this California gal!) I manage the information systems department in a bank, and first read Tolkien many years ago. I have loved the first two LOTR movies, even though I found some of the changes to the story jarring at first. I love books, opera, cooking and the outdoors.<BR> <BR><i>Gee, all this talk of the Extended Edition is driving me mad! The town that I live in doesn't have it anywhere so I have to wait for ages before I can get my hands on a copy.</i><BR><BR>Have you considered ordering it off the internet?<BR><BR><i>I have been carefully trying to avoid any reviews of it to save myself from spoilers, but it hasn't been easy.</i><BR><BR>They're pretty good about indicating "spoilers" in thread titles over in the Movie forum. In this thread and "Auntie's" we don't usually discuss the films in a lot of depth - these threads are more for chatting and getting acquainted.<BR><BR><i>I don't know if there is actually a certain topic being discussed here, so feel free to correct me if I have erred in my response.</i><BR><BR>Since our only topic here is ourselves, no worries. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Welcome to Tolkien Online!<BR>
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Postby Ethel » Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:15 pm

Arve and Cem - thank you both so much for welcoming people here. Saro and I have both been rather delinquent of late (she for far better reason than I!) so it's very much appreciated. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>Alcanielle...<BR><BR><i>Oh, and I hope I won't get myself fried by Anneri or Cem or especially Ethel for asking this, but what exactly d'you guys find "swoon-worthy" about Craig Parker?</i><BR><BR>Um... actually, I don't find Craig Parker particularly swoonworthy. I found his performance in both films striking, but he also seemed very... androgynous. I know it seems like I must be obsessed with him, but it's mostly because he was my "MOME" candidate. Once I started pasting together pictures of him in a dress, I just couldn't stop! (Yes, I am aware that this is an extremely odd passtime for a grown woman. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR><i>you guys are really really lucky to live in places where you don't practically faint for joy if you see a bird besides a sparrow, pigeon or mynah that's not on TV or in a cage.</i><BR><BR>Singapore is very "citified" isn't it? I am a bird lover, so it would make me sad not to see lots of them. You must have someplace you can go to observe water birds though - and those are some of the best. Where I live, I see magpies every day. They are simply gorgeous.<BR><BR><BR>Anneri...<BR><BR><i>And Craig is very, very cute - he has blonde highlights now, Cem! And just so nice and relaxed when you talk to him. He always had a cluster of girls around him, but apparently his interests lie elsewhere...</i><BR><BR>That's what I've heard too - and not just because he plays such an androgynous Elf.<BR><BR><i>Ethel, dear, what about meeting 'Haldir'? What would your reaction be?</i><BR><BR>Frankly, Anni, I would be embarrassed. I actually think he's quite good in the films, but I've spent so much time making pictures of him in ballgowns and so forth that I feel I owe him an apology! By all accounts he's a very nice guy in real life.<BR><BR><BR>Roxi,<BR><BR><i>Hmmm....why are people swapping alliances?? Are you deliberatly trying to confuse me?</i><BR><BR>A lot of people (me for instance) changed their alliance to the White Hand when we heard that the Voice of Saruman had been cut from ROTK. Sort of a show of support.<BR>
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Postby Ethel » Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:02 pm

And finally, Anneri, a reply to your thoughtful post about Austen and the Brontes...<BR><BR><i>First, I always try to read literature (or watch movies) in the original language (pity me - you can't imagine what a quest it always is to find the LOTR version which isn't dubbed in cinemas!).</i><BR><BR>Sadly, I'm not a good enough linguist to do this. I am especially fond of the Russians, and I'm grateful to have them in translation. I know it's not the same - you lose the "music" of the language - but it seems to me a lot does come through, especially in the novels.<BR><BR>I think some kinds of humor translates fairly well, but some does not. For instance, I find Gogol's Dead Souls to be laugh-out-loud funny in places, but then his humor is based in absurdity. That translates well. Wordplay and subtle irony are probably much harder.<BR><BR>But... it's easy for me to see why, to non-native English speaker, the work of the Brontes might well be more appealing than that of Austen. As I said before, with Austen much of the pleasure is in her "perfect pitch" - her elegance, if you will - as a prose stylist. The Brontes are much more interested in emotions, and passionate emotions at that. You might be interested to know that Charlotte Bronte agreed with you. Her publisher once recommended Austen as a writer worth emulating and Charlotte more or less responded "Hmmpf!"<BR><BR>Jane Austen was born in 1775. She was, if you will, a child of the Enlightenment. She read Johnson and Voltaire. She also read and enjoyed "gothic" type novels, but she also tended to view them as extreme and ultimately a bit silly. Austen wrote comedies of manners. She wasn't interested in changing the world around her, only in portraying it in all its variety and (often) absurdity. She had a wicked, wicked wit. Now, that type of writing is not to everyone's taste. Mark Twain once wrote: "Jane Austen? Why I go so far as to say that any library is a good library that does not contain a volume by Jane Austen even if it contains no other book."<BR><BR>But I love her. I love her complicated characters, her beautiful prose, and her humor. In the end it's a matter of taste, isn't it? You are absolutely right when you say that she does not address the "big" topics. In fact, she wrote of nothing which she did not experience first hand - there are no private conversations between men in her books! She herself acknowledged the "smallness" of her scope as a writer, describing her work as "a little bit of ivory, two inches wide, on which I work with so fine a brush as to produce little effect after much labour."<BR><BR>If you care to look for it, though, there is plenty of consequence in her writing. She is interested in how to be a good person - how to balance sensibility and sense, how to be an honorable member of a difficult family (her mothers are all horrors), the correct values to place on love and money (love is more important but money is not irrelevant), and what does religion truly require of a person? She set herself some interesting problems as an author. In Mansfield Park she creates a heroine with every virtue but not very appealing, and an anti-heroine who is charming but lacks integrity. In Emma she creates a heroine who is proud, selfish and willful - and teaches her to correct these faults.<BR><BR>As I say, I love her. But I don't require you to. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>On to the Brontes, whom I too admire. They just aren't quite as much to my taste as Austen. It's important to recognize that they are of a different era - the Romantic sensibility. Passion was the fashion, and they both do passion very well. Unlike you, I love Jane Eyre. Though it became the very model of the Romance novel, it was very original in its time. It was deeply subversive in its way. Jane believed - and she was right - that in every way that really mattered, she was the equal of her wealthy employer.<BR><BR><i>Austen still believes in the goodness of her protagonists and still smiles indulgently when she depicts their foibles. Emily and Charlotte don't - for them, everything is strife. That seems to me the biggest difference.</i><BR><BR>I do disagree with this statement. I think Austen saw plenty of wickedness in the world around her, and portrayed it abundantly in her novels. Lucy Steele and Mrs. Ferrars are venal and cruel. Wickham and Willoughby are cads who seduce and betray young women. Maria Betram betrays her husband and family. William Elliot is dishonest in matters of the heart as well as finance. I could go on, but you get the point. But the books in which these things occur are comedies rather than tragedies, so the tone in which they are treated is very different from that used by the Brontes.<BR><BR>I do agree that there is something very invigorating about the fiercely felt passions in the works of the Bronte sisters, though. I like them too!<BR><BR>Now... shall we move on to George Elliott? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby cemthinae » Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:29 pm

Hey everyone! My computer crashed today… how dull!<BR><BR>Alcani~ Nice to see another veggie! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Growing up in a large family was great! I loved it… and would do it again in a heartbeat!! And yes… I would have to agree that llamas are adorable! I miss mine every so much, but life goes on…<BR><BR>Welcome to Varda2779!!! Nice to have you stop in!! We talk of many things here… jump right on in!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR><BR><i> I blame Cem’s influence </i> No! Don’t do it!! Do NOT follow the white lights!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> Nice to see you back, old pal!<BR><BR>No worries, Ethel! It’s just been great to shed my TLSE (TORC low self-esteem) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> Hope I didn’t pass it on to anyone here!! So sorry if I did! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> <BR><BR><i> Mark Twain once wrote: "Jane Austen? Why I go so far as to say that any library is a good library that does not contain a volume by Jane Austen even if it contains no other book."</i> Thanks Ethel… now I know why I dislike his some much… I could never put my finger on it!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Have a super Sunday all ~Cem <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif"border=0>
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Postby Alcanielle » Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:01 pm

Hey you guys <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Okay this is kind of rushed but hello Varda! Nice username! Elbereth Gilthoniel. Hehe. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>WahOo for Saro and Griffin! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>And Ethel, I didn't exactly read that whole post on Austen (it's way over my head) but about Haldir, I see. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I have no idea why but suddenly I've been coming across the word "androgynous" so much. Maybe it's the lurking around LotR and fantasy sites. Hm...Anyway, it's at least a constructive pastime, Photoshopping Haldirs. Better than watching soaps. o.O <BR><BR>Arve, I have to agree. I better control how much I pig out cos' I want to be able to fit through the cinema door on Dec 17. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Oh you live near a farm! A <i>farm</i>! Ah. So nice...<BR><BR>And yep, S'pore is pretty "urbanified". <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> But during bird migratory season birds sometimes show up at the nature reserves. Those are pretty! Plus there's still some jungle (not really thick fat jungle but many trees) near where I live so sometimes these fancy-looking birds appear on the balcony and leave o.O (smelly) *presents* behind. Heh. A weaver bird built a nest there once! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Cem, you've had a llama? Noooo fair! o.O Hm and a big family sounds pretty fun. You could play Quidditch or something. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> All hail vegetables!<BR><BR>Er I suppose that's all, sorry if that didn't contain much substance, I'm a little delirious. Gee I'm going to miss you people. Three weeeeeeeeeeks. o.O o.O<BR><BR>*waves a big hello to Roxi and Nienna and Anneri and Bess and whoever else may come here*<BR><BR>~alcani. *burp. o.O<BR><BR>PS: Arve! And Cem! You guys shouldn't overwork yourselves. It's not good. :S Sleep well...you want to be nice and fit and fresh when Dec. comes <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Edit: Happy Thanksgiving! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Though I don't celebrate...
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Postby Varda2779 » Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:33 am

Hello everyone! I'm back now, sorry this is going to be a little difficult. I'm guessing that many of you probably live in America and other places. I am from Australia, so basically my night time would be your daytime and so on. Anyway, thankyou for making me feel so welcome here, all of these message board things can be a little daunting. You asked me to tell you a little about myself so here goes.<BR>I currently live in a small town on the border between Queensland and New South Wales in Australia. I have just finished high school and am eagerly awaiting university offers for next year. I am ashamed to admit that I had never even really heard much of 'Lord of the Rings' until the movies came out, but as soon as I saw the advertisements on tv for it, I went to see it straightaway, and I can honestly say that no movie had ever moved me so much, in such a way that I couldn't talk to anyone after coming out of it, I was literally rendered speechless from this amazing story, and needless to say I walked straight out of the movie theatre into the nearest bookshop and bought all the books as fast as possible. I have never looked back since. I am basically obsessed with everything to do with Lord of the Rings, as I am sure many of you are here, and nobody I know is as big a fan of the movies and books that I can talk to about them, so that is why I spend a lot of time on the internet reading forums like these, it makes me feel like I belong. Ummmmmm what else can I say, I am extremely short, have 2 sisters, a beautiful border collie purebred puppy, and as yet no boyfriend because I have complicated many issues for myself in that department. hehehe. Oh, and on an interesting note, I lived in New Zealand for three months when I was 15 on an exchange program, after hosting a New Zealand girl for 3 months, and the place I lived at was just near Auckland, in a city called Whangarei. I fell in love with their culture and basically their entire country, and am planning to return there soon. You can imagine how much I am kicking myself now for my ignorance, I had the perfect opportunity to go and take a look at all the production and stuff, and I didn't even know it. So yeah, I hope that gives you a bit of a knowledge about me, I am looking forward to getting to know all of you, thanks for being so friendly. Oh and by the way, my sister is going to Toowoomba tomorrow (its a bigger city) so she is going to get my DVD for me then.
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Postby Varda2779 » Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:47 am

Sorry I am back again, I forgot to answer Ethel's question. Yes i am kind of here to be adopted, at least until I find my feet but I really don't actually know how to do it or what it involves, so I was just trying to get acquainted with some of you. Oh, and sorry if you didn't pick up on it, pretty dumb of me not to mention it, but I am a girl.
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Postby Saroneuroe » Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:47 am

Welcome, Varda!!!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> We would be happy to have you in the 'family'!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I'm Ethel's co-adopter. I've been off-line for a bit, because I was a little pre-occupied. My son, Griffin was born on Thursday.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> I'm a thirty something mother of a 5 year old son and his brand new baby brother. My husband and I were high school sweethearts and we live in the Boston area. I first read Tolkien at age 12. (We read 'The Hobbit' in school) and have been a huge fan of the books ever since. I DO think that the movies are very well done, especially the extended dvds. I'm very jealous that you've been to New Zealand. It looks like a beautiful place from the movies!<BR><BR>Please take a moment to read the first post in this thread (if you haven't already). It contains some useful TORC info.<BR><BR>Also, for your protection and to comply with TORC's Terms of Service, please take a moment to edit the post which contains your age. Just click on the edit button at the bottom right of your post and remove your exact age.<BR><BR>Welcome to TORC!<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Saro<BR><BR><i>Waves to all!!!!</i>
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Postby Anneri » Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:26 pm

Ack, it ate my post! Again... *groans*<BR><BR>Welcome, Varda! Have a nice time on the boards! And don't worry about the time zones, I'm from Germany and have the same problem, but it always works somehow - there're always people around (though some just don't sleep, I assume!)<BR><BR>A big w00tw00t!!111 for Saro and Griffin! I'm so happy that all went well in the end!<BR><BR>A big THANK YOU to Ethel - a wonderful reply. And I'll tell you a very humiliating secret - I've never read George Elliot... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> But I've to read her for my exams next year. Then we'll discuss them!<BR><BR>Exams - I've nearly (nearly!) come to the decision to be less on TORC during the next time, because I want to pass said exam and write a good thesis. But that's a hard decision because upcoming events - be not here when ROTK is released??? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><BR><BR>*waves to Alcani and Cem and leaves the thread quietly*
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