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Postby meaningofhaste » Mon May 15, 2006 11:33 am

I couldn't view the clp either, at least from my public library computer. I'm checking into the office tomorrow and will try there.

If you go to google.com news, there's a short interviews with DW in which he talks about working with the East Timorese actors in "Answered by Fire." Another new hair effect!
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Postby LadyStefania » Mon May 15, 2006 1:25 pm

I'll have to wait till tomorrow to view the video on Quick Time at work. I don't have it on my system at home.

Re: the Proposition. I did read the Nick Cave story in EW. No mention of DW in the article. I honestly didn't expect it. Also, no review of the Proposition yet, but I do expect THAT. Proposition hasn't opened here in San Francisco. I'm waitin' .

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Postby penGwyn » Mon May 15, 2006 6:21 pm

A fine, upstanding hairstyle indeed, moh. Or perhaps a tribute to Sting's "Fields of Gold"? Thanks for the directive.

As for the video clip, at least it wasn't yanked untimely from the Web before I could get at it this morning. QuickTime, did they say? I got a passel of reading done while the rascal was downloading, or whatever it was doing. But--then--there it was. Ahh, yesssss.

The things we put up with for a glimpse. I wonder, do Faramir fans and DW fans (outside Australia) exhibit a consistent tendency to favor secondary characters, to cherish those outside the glare of the spotlight? Are there long essays about this and related personality traits that I should read?
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Postby SueB » Fri May 19, 2006 3:24 pm

What, no posts since Monday? We can't have that! :D

Interesting musing, PG! I have to admit I usually don't go for the main character in a story, usually it's his best friend or one of the other attractive male characters. Would Faramir have been as intriguing if the entire book/ movie had been about him? Would've been interesting to find out! But there is something to be said for the mystery of not knowing everything about a character!

SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON for 'man of mystery' David/ Faramir! :heart:

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Postby Lhaewin » Sat May 20, 2006 12:20 am

I agree, SueB. We don´t need to know everything about a character, but it´s too few what we learn about Eden Fletcher in The Proposition. He is only a secondary character - with not more than four scenes, but three of them are essential for the story-line and to understand a bit more about his actions, it would have been helpful and interesting to learn about his background.
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Postby sh_wulff » Sat May 20, 2006 3:31 pm

apparently answered by fire does not start until MAY 28!!!!! :x

patience is a virtue

they are showing a loveky trailer os abc TV ( it may be avail on abc2 which is the digital version

now if I mange to work out the technology I will record it on vhs video...and am amking enquiries to see if it can be done to get it o dvd..I don't hold much hope I live amongst neo-luddites

and well only 10 months until "300"..should be a breeze
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Postby Phantasmagoria » Sun May 21, 2006 12:24 pm

Edit: I creeped people out, didn't I? Don't worry. I love dreams like these. They're dramatic, like movies. Seriously, I've been watching too many movies. My whole brain thinks like a movie.

[size=0]So I had this annoying dream that David Wenham was selling himself out on MTV, acting like an MTV reality-tv-show idiot or something. So I pleaded God for another dream, and I was granted my wish, even though it had nothing to do with David.

There was a smaller costco-warehouse-looking food store that I went in, maybe with some other person, to find a particular item. This store sold a very particular food item that is not usually sold in this way. The store, though, had a strong presence of the manager. Whenever you were in it, in the aisles, there was a sense of the manager and his superiority ontop of the chain of command. I couldn't find something, and the manager walked along the aisles and came to me, standing straight at attention with his hands behind his back, to command the situation.

This is mostly because the manager was an ancient, powerful king, modeled after Akbar the Great from the old Indian epic Mughal-e-Azam, but appearing like a more European king. More like one of the kings from the Fellowship of the Ring.

He was reknown for having an extensive, sucessful career of heroism and it was a fact that he had conquered nations upon nations, and he was a legendary warrior. Now he had white hair, and for some reason he was connected to this store. Nonetheless, he still wore his ceremonial chainmail and his swords at his side, as well as his crown.

Many things happened along the way, but we arrived at a sort of restaurant setting. There were many round dining tables with dinner parties sitting about them, drinking wine and talking, and the overall atmosphere was fancy and noisy. The king, somehow, was injured. I knew what had caused the injury, and I had clearly watched whatever projectile had injured him and even who had perpetrated it, but I forget now. The king was stumbling and on the ground. For some reason, I felt that it was necessary and that it was assumed the right thing to do to kill him completely now that he was lingering near death. Perhaps this was because it was shameful and undignified for a king to be seen by all these people as a staggering, wounded soldier. He must die nobly and fully.

He had two long swords. I took both and I plunged them all the way through his side. I remember seeing his awkward, stiffening motion, the rigid bulging of his eyes. I laid the swords vertically upon his chest, rather like in Boromir's death in the Fellowship of the Ring. I crossed his arms over the swords, and tried to make his position that of a noble, kingly death. Now I felt pure, raw emotion.

I made speeches on his greatness and I formally spoke to him what value he was, and that he was the Last Great Warrior. Like a granddaughter at a grandfather's bed side, I gently stroked his white hair above the crown and I felt genuine, familial concern for him.

All the fancy dinner people around their tables were watching, candles lit, forks suspended.

As he died, I felt the most pure, raw, intense, real emotion that I ever had in a dream. Lament, insatiable sorrow, and devastation rocked my body, and I could feel myself choking in sobs, and the wetness of my face.

I cried out loud, in the middle of that restaurant, "He was the last great warrior!"

I wailed, regretfully, "He was the last great warrior."

Later on, I'm not sure what happened, but it was the general situation that I was in great danger of being inevitably prosecuted for the man's death. I was a murderer. This might have had some connection to another part of my dream that I had forgotten. But it was really scary. I was wanted, and everyone looked at me as a murderer. I kept wondering to myself, will even these friends of mine and adults who have always looked at me as only a sweet, common girl from church, regard me so mercilessly, solemnly? I was looking at the world now in complete disbelief and dismay at an identity that seemed to be haunting me and forcing itself on me. It was a strange struggle in believing, first of all, that this situation was going on, and then wondering how I could get out of it.

Surely, I thought, I did not murder the person in cold blood. I had difficulty clearly thinking what had happened. Then I remembered, yes, there must have been a reason why I plunged the swords into the king's body. It was because someone else had initially injured him fatally. I was finishing it off, and I may as well earn a life sentence for finishing him off instead of calling for help. I was very worried that that was the case. I knew that I would be penalized severely for finishing off the death, and not calling for help. Then I thought about how I would convince the court, about lawyers, etc.

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Postby meaningofhaste » Tue May 23, 2006 7:15 am

Here's a link to a review of "The Proposition" that (I think :? ) gives DW's performance a positive review. Don't miss the email exchange at the end!

http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/200 ... eview.html

Is Minneapolis ready for "The Proposition"?
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Postby LadyStefania » Tue May 23, 2006 1:13 pm

Don't know when the Proposition is coming to San Francisco. It did get a great review in "Entertainment Weekly" (my guilty pleasure). So I'm gonna see it for sure, most likely in the theaters to enjoy the scenery.

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Postby meaningofhaste » Thu May 25, 2006 10:08 am

DW recieved his honary doctorate from the Australian Catholic University this week in Melbourne. The ceremony was orginally scheduled for April in Sydney, but was postponed by Wenham's visit to Los Angeles to do voice-overs for "300." Here's a brief new release from the University:

Release date: 25/05/2006

ACU National Honours David Wenham

Melbourne, 25 May 2006: Leading Australian actor, David Wenham has been awarded Australian Catholic University’s (ACU National) highest honour, Doctor of the University (honoris causa), at graduations taking place in Melbourne today.

The honour has been bestowed upon David by the University in recognition of his outstanding contribution to the arts. He is also strongly committed to social and environmental issues.

Speaking about David’s achievements, ACU National Vice-Chancellor, Professor Peter Sheehan AO said, “David has successfully entertained us all with his varied roles over the last decade and a half. He moves easily between the mediums of stage television and film as well as comfortably between comedy and sorrow. I know he sees film as a medium in which hard issues can be raised, in ways that also address challenging questions for the audience to consider, such as in the film Molokai and his latest TV series on East Timor.

“David has already been recognised by his professional peers and international films critics. ACU National has today honoured him for his outstanding achievements as an actor, humanitarian, and advocate for the development of the performing arts in Australia. He is an inspiration to all and particularly to today’s ACU National graduates.”

On accepting his Doctorate, David said: “I am extraordinarily privileged to be receiving an honorary doctorate from a university that puts so much emphasis on social justice. It’s exciting to be here with all the graduates as they celebrate their academic success and I would like to congratulate them. It’s a momentous occasion for them as they begin their professional careers and can touch the lives of our community.”



Australian Catholic University (ACU National) - established as Australia’s only Catholic, national, publicly funded university - is open to all. The University empowers its students and staff with a strong sense of social responsibility and concern for the moral and ethical dimensions of their study and their professional and personal lives.

Edited to add: If you search Google news under "David Wenham", you will see an article titlted "Honourary Doctor Wenham honours a young naiton's strength." The article includes a picture of DW in his academic robes.
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Postby PrincessOfIthilien » Thu May 25, 2006 10:28 am

Thank you for that MoH.

I've now seen the interview that David recently did in Australia for a prog. called Enough Rope.

The man looks as good as he's ever looked ladies....mighty fine in fact.

And the clip from Answered By Fire shows that he looks pretty darn good in that too.
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Postby LadyStefania » Fri May 26, 2006 10:27 am

"The Proposition" opens in San Francisco this weekend. It's gotten a lot of good press, including a story on Danny Huston in the San Francisco Chronicle's lively arts section, aka the pink pages. If I see any write ups that are specifically about Dave, I'll let you know. Interestingly, he's got fourth or fifth billing in the advertisements, even though his part is small.

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Postby Phantasmagoria » Fri May 26, 2006 10:24 pm

LadyStefania wrote:"The Proposition" opens in San Francisco this weekend. It's gotten a lot of good press, including a story on Danny Huston in the San Francisco Chronicle's lively arts section, aka the pink pages. If I see any write ups that are specifically about Dave, I'll let you know. Interestingly, he's got fourth or fifth billing in the advertisements, even though his part is small.

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WHAT!!! oh my oh my oh my
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Postby lucidity » Sat May 27, 2006 2:42 am

Entertainment Weekly has this page every week called "The Must List: Ten Things We Love This Week" and The Proposition is listed as number ten! :shock:

It says "Punk poet Nick Cave wrote and scored this brutal Aussie Western in which a band of brothers sow bloody mayhem in the outback."

We can only hope that will give the limited release a boost! :wink:
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Postby Phantasmagoria » Sat May 27, 2006 5:51 pm

Yep, I just saw the Proposition. Hear, hear.

Yeah, it's bloody. But to me, it was still not as disturbing as A Clockwork Orange. If that says anything.

I always have trouble following plotlines. Always. I think I did well with this one, and I only have a few gaps in understanding.

This isn't really my style of film, but I have to say it was well-done. It's not glorious. Some of the editting made the pace awkward and sometimes it felt like it lost track of a central vision. But it overall succeeded, especially at the end. The ending is satisfactory for me. Also, the cinematography. Several stills from this production would be like... professional photographs found on Deviant Art.

David Wenham's part did not require development. He did fine. Maybe this is because I've observed him so much, but it seemed like he was too nice and handsome a guy to really give off the Ultimate [b]astard air. However he did grow to be more and more of a jerk by the end.


The most striking moments to me are when:

Out of this widespread destruction and bloody chaos, there is the contrived mask of civilization to hide it all. You can't help but to think of England sitting way over in the Atlantic, with all of its cool, civilized society, staying afloat only because of a foundational craft that trudges across men. On one polar end, there is high society, and on the other polar end, because there must be compensation in the full cycle of things, is extreme filth and barbarism.


**SPOILERS**
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Arthur Burns holds dead Mikey Burns on his lap under the tree. The impression is strong that in saving one man by killing a few other men, the saved man dies as well. Both parties are dead - the victim and the opponents. The whole escapade is absolutely useless, with nothing but destruction as a result.

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**SPOILERS**
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Stanley and Martha deliberately create a situation out of thin air of calm and ordered family life at the dinner table near the end. Arthur Burns sits next to his brother near the end, creating a situation of chosen brotherly bonding at a sunset all out of thin air. These scenes that are crafted by characters show how humans create things like dignity and civilization with their hands, with their wills, out of a messy heap of natural chaos.

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Postby sh_wulff » Sun May 28, 2006 4:02 pm

squeee!!!!

Answered by fire was excellent
drive by cos of time constraints

technophobe didn't manage to record it but will work it out by repeat on sat pm

woohoo..he dances and looks lovely in blues...

drool!!!!!

more on the content l8r ;)
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Postby LadyStefania » Tue May 30, 2006 12:46 pm

"Answered by Fire" coolness :( . I wonder when and if it will ever make its way to the US, other than by pirated veresions. Meantime, i'm going to try and see the Proposition next weekend. I like Westerns, even the more violent classic ones like "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."

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Postby meaningofhaste » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:16 am

Here's a review of the first part of "Answered by Fire"--a review that any fazgul should appreciate (though it seems to be signed by a guy. . .oh well, just shows that our man appeals to a wide audience).

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Thursday, 18 May 2006
A fiery political docudrama is the star vehicle for hot actor David Wenham


Generally, my idea of keeping up with the news involves watching Entertainment Tonight every single day. This means I can hold extended discussions on the real paternity of Katie’s baby, but I’m usually quite clueless about what’s going on in the real world. Therefore Answered by Fire was initially something of a mystery, as this powerful new mini-series is set against the backdrop of East Timor’s struggle for independence. I’m sure I should have already known about this very serious issue, but up until now my main experience of Foreign Affairs involved a brief encounter with a Frenchman at Sleaze Ball.


As I soon discovered, Answered by Fire is based on a United Nations mission to East Timor in 1999 where the assignment was to oversee the area’s upcoming vote on independence from Indonesia. Given the task of ensuring a fair ballot, the UN’s volunteers were hampered by interference from the brutal Indonesian military and the corruption of the local authorities. It was a dangerous exercise, but as one of the Aussies in the series explains, “The East Timorese saved our arses in WWII against the Japanese. Then in 1975 we just stood by and let the Indonesians walk in and take over. We owe these people, big time.”

Answered by Fire is David Wenham’s first television vehicle in quite some time. The hunky bloodnut plays Mark Waldman, an Australian policeman who volunteers for the mission to East Timor and is put in charge of the Civilian Police in Nunura. One unexpected benefit of this plot is that Wenham gets to wear a very sexy policeman’s outfit for the entire show. For anyone with a uniform fetish, this has roughly the same effect as six beers and a Viagra.… although in some scenes he also wears a rather pale blue beret, and not even Diver Dan can make that look good.

In the village, Mark meets both a Canadian policewoman who’s on her first overseas mission and a young Timorese translator whose father and sister are actively campaigning for independence. Over the course of the film the lives of all five of these people will be changed forever, but the main focus remains squarely on Wenham’s character. Mark is initially a little too good to be true, but as the situation in Timor worsens his façade crumbles as he edges towards a nervous breakdown. Wenham does some fine dramatic work here…. and whether he’s bawling his eyes out or pushing one of the locals off a cliff, he still looks devastatingly handsome.

Answered by Fire is an intriguing piece that consists of two ninety minute episodes, with part one covering the events leading up to the vote and part two taking place in the chaos that ensues after the UN decides to pull out of the area. Adding a layer of authenticity to the drama is that many of the cast are actual Timorese who fled to Australia to escape these events and are now recreating scenes that they themselves experienced. Coincidentally, violence erupted in East Timor again this week and Australian troops are once more on standby. I know…. I saw it on a newsbreak during Entertainment Tonight.

Part one of Answered by Fire screens on the ABC this Sunday night at 8.30pm.
GREG CROCKETT


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Postby SueB » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:23 pm

Thanks for posting the review, MoH! Sounds like an excellent vehicle for David-nice to hear he looks great and does some super dramatic acting!!

'Bloodnut'? Never heard that one before!

By the way, I attended the 26th annual MediaWest convention in Lansing, MI over the weekend, and judging by the door decorations, there were quite a few David fans there! One door was titled 'O Brother, Where Art Thou?' and was plastered with pics of David and Sean Bean, in various roles and also as 'themselves'. It was very cool! I'm hoping the pictures I took of it come out...

SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON for David/ Faramir!! :heart:

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Postby meaningofhaste » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:27 am

Bloodnut is Australian for redhead, SueB. I had to ask an Australian
for the definition when I first saw it.
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Postby Lady_Niwella » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:38 am

I want to watch it! Our beloved Gingerhead in a uniform in a drama. *Licking my lips*

Sw0000000000000n for David. :love:
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Postby princessFaz » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:33 am

Hello everyone. Long time no see. The few pics I have seen of David in his Answered by Fire costume are gorgeous!!

Drive by today!! :)
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Postby SueB » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:24 pm

Thanks for the info, MoH!!!

Great to see you, PFaz!!

Interesting changes to the message boards, eh? Things are looking a little different!! But David's as swoonable as ever!!

Brand-new board format SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON for David/ Faramir!! :heart:

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Postby princessFaz » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:43 pm

Yes, I was surprised when I logged in. And now we can have pics right in our post, I love it:

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Postby Phantasmagoria » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:53 pm

oohh mmyyyy word

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Postby sh_wulff » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:32 pm

oooh
watched part II to

drama ++++ and suspenseful too.. he really shows a gamut of emotion..some scenes were emotionally harrowing but couldn't take eyes ff..

attempts to record it were unsuccessful :(

sadly

but apparently DVD willl be out

BTW love new format too
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interesting article..what piccie ;)
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Postby PrincessOfIthilien » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:39 am

Lovely new format!

Putting pics in will add to the colour and make it a much more attractive board.

Those pics from the new interview are so gorgeous. I swear he has a portrait in the attic.

Phan.....where's that other pic from?
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Postby Lhaewin » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:40 am

TORC looks good and that we can post pictures is a nice surprise...

A brand new TORC - A Brand New Day :)

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Lovely pictures, Phan. He doesn´t need a scenery - so they could spare all the CGI ado in 300. ;) Is that Murray in the last one?

POI, let´s hope that there are no parallels to Dorian Gray! :shock:
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Postby princessFaz » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:56 pm

I am loving it with the pics showing!! they should have done this aeons ago!!

Is that second pic from Murray??

Gorgeous pic Shwulff!! Thanks for the article!
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Postby Phantasmagoria » Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:42 pm

The other picture beside the interview caps is from Answered by Fire, provided by Minkey.

Oh my gosh it's soo hot, it's like my fave.

It's so incredibly hot outside today, the sun almost fried me in the car this afternoon....it's almost like David has landed in California.

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