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Postby Maedhros » Tue Oct 08, 2002 11:53 pm

I dread the release of the Two Towers.<BR><BR>Ick. That'll be disgusting.<BR><BR>Remember me?<BR><BR>Man, I'm famous!<BR><BR>My renown is only one fourth or so of Nienna's. Whoa...<BR><BR>That translation thread is soooooo cool.
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Postby Didi » Sat Oct 12, 2002 5:04 am

hi mædhros, great that you re back <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR>yeah you re famous, but not for this thread but that official translation thingie you made <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> that was really a great job<BR>where have you been alst time? you had been absent for months? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby Didi » Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:45 am

dam its half on the 2nd page...<BR>fortunately my brains have thought out a question again <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>is it permitted to lengthen vowels (or, shorten them) in poems, for making another syllable stressed? (to fit in the metrum of course)<BR><BR>like, lets say, undume, stressed on the 1st u, but if your metrum needs the 2nd to be stressed, can you then make undùme from it?<BR>(or, angaráto => angarato)
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Postby Balance_Keeper » Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:17 pm

IMHO, if the change of stress is under the rules, why not do it if it improves the sound of a poem.
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Postby Didi » Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:57 pm

what does imho mean? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0>
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Postby Darkmagus » Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:50 pm

In my humble opinion...
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Postby Eluchil » Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:23 pm

The answer to Didi's question about vowel length though is probably, no. The vowel lengths of a particular form are fixed and can't be shifted on a whim. Changing them for metrical reasons is at if not beyond a poets licence. At any rate, we have no examples of Tolkien mentioning or exemplifying variable vowel lengths in poetry.
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Postby Didi » Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:44 am

thx dm and elu <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>i wont ever do such things then <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> (except when i cant find any other possibility... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)
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Postby Balance_Keeper » Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:10 pm

Amba.
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:40 pm

Hey, guys, I've thought of spliting the Official Translation thread into two seperate ones -- one for Quenya and one for Sindarin -- would I get support if I did so?<BR><BR>My time is limited right now and I just can't seem to face digging into what the Official Translation thread has become. Two would be so much easier -- although we'd have to keep them on topic. As the creator obviously much of that responsibility would fall on me, but I can live with that. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Does anyone agree?
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Postby Didi » Sat Nov 09, 2002 4:01 am

yeah that thought about the translation thread splitted into Q and S is not new <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>[editted for misunderstood previous post a bit 1st time reading... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>]
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Sat Nov 09, 2002 12:08 pm

Yes, Didi, I know, I posted in that thread too, remember?<BR><BR>The point to this post was asking if I would have support for closing down the Official Translation Thread and starting up the two new ones. The question still stands.
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Postby Balance_Keeper » Mon Nov 11, 2002 10:21 am

It would be good to make a translation thread for each language, not just Q and S.<BR>Still splitting one into two is a good idea.
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:37 pm

bumpity bump bump bump
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Thu Nov 28, 2002 6:16 pm

Bumping, as always. People seem to have forgotten.
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Postby Asa » Sat Nov 30, 2002 7:23 pm

I have a question about the links for the elvish writing. How do you no which figure in elvish repersents which english figure? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0>
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Sat Nov 30, 2002 10:39 pm

As I said in the FAQ, Asa, <i>Examination of the chart with its accompanying phenomes will quickly reveal these relations.</i><BR><BR>That is, go to Appendix E, look at the chart, read the accompaning text. Tolkien lays it all out for you.<BR><BR>Hope that helped. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Didi » Sun Dec 01, 2002 4:51 am

<a target=new href="http://www.geocities.com/tengwar2001/">http://www.geocities.com/tengwar2001/</a> this one i really liked i m not sure if you think its okay but i havent found lot of mistakes yet... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> if you think its okay you could always put in it 1st post...
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Postby Balance_Keeper » Fri Jan 03, 2003 5:06 am

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Postby satch » Sun Jan 05, 2003 6:52 am

hey i was just wondering what the appendixes actually are. i was a little confused... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0>
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:54 pm

Satch, the Appendices are found at the end of your volume of RotK, or at the end of the book if you have the one volume edition. They are classified by letter (Appendix E is the important one to linguists) and also titled. Hope that helps. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Nienna<BR>Language Forum Tirno
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Postby Didi » Mon Jan 06, 2003 3:29 pm

*notices that its not in ALL versions* (that E i mean) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0> mine goes only till D...
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Tue Jan 07, 2003 10:52 pm

<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> Sue your translator!!! The Dutch translation is good other than that, is it not?
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Postby Didi » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:34 am

yap how did you know that? i ve heard that before, and i totally agree<BR>but the version in the library has all appendices, so i have perhaps just bad edition (a nice good old one from the seventies <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>)
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Postby satch » Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:11 am

wouldnt this thread be good like...on the 1st page..?? *zoooooom*
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Postby LegolasIV » Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:08 am

thank you
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Postby thegypsy » Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:31 am

Hey Nienna,<BR> Those instructions, on the first page, were those for Sindarin too?
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Postby Didi » Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:46 am

As far as i know does sindarin belong to the group-name Elvish too <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby thegypsy » Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:42 pm

Well they sounded like they were for Quenya Didi!!!!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif"border=0> ... Just joking<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>
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Postby thegypsy » Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:47 pm

By the way, I found out what the Black Speech is and I don't want to learn it any more... But I'm not giving up hope about teaching myself how to speak Sindarin. So wish me luck. Please.<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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