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Postby *Elbereth* » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:09 am

I see people asking to learn elvish here, and I thought and this is what I came up with. All those who know elvish can take on a couple apprentices to learn elvish. (I have an apprentice on TGH named Este who is finishing up with my Sindarin lessons.) I guess there should be some guidelines:<BR><BR>For Teachers: Post how many apprenticies you'll take and which languages you speak. Once you see a wannabe-apprentice, just post that you'll teach the member, and include your e-mail so you can do it on a messenger, like MSN or AOL.<BR><BR>For Apprentices: Post the one language of Quenya, Sindarin, Valinorean, Numenoran, Westron, Black Speech, etc that you want to learn, and in bracets put your second choice, and wait for a teacher to accept you.<BR><BR>***this portion of the post has been removed due to the fact that the poster has been unable to access the messageboards (I couldn't log in for some <i>maudit</i> reason) and thus, the info that was here couldn't be updated and now it's too late. Once this thread reaches the max I'll start a new one and i <b>will</b> update it!***
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Postby Rowanoak » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:20 am

I'd like to learn Sindarin! (umm.... Valinorean sounds good.)<BR>*eager to please tone* did i apply correctly?
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Postby *Elbereth* » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:28 am

Yes, you did, Rowanoak.<BR>Sure, I'll take you as an apprentice! my e-mail's (think I'll edit that out now that you've sent me an e-mail)@hotmail.com, e-mail me. do you have MSN?
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Postby Aldawen » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:48 am

Hi, um as a newbie here I guess learnin Elvish would actually *keep* me on here... or not *evil laughter*<BR>....anyway, I'd like to learn Quenya. If nobody will teach me... then I guess I'll go for Sindarin.<BR><BR>hey Rowanoak, is that a coinsidence that you took Sindarin and Valinorean... I guess it just gives you a larger chance of having a teacher.... no probs there.... am I babling to much? I'd love to bable in Quenya... must go find my pills.
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Postby *Elbereth* » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:57 am

you go get those pills... looks like you may have to wait for a Quenya teacher.
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Postby Didi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 6:35 am

oh i m present, if you need a quenya teacher <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> (i ll just follow main lines of ardalambion quenya course, without changing too much you see, if you dont mind <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>)<BR><BR>how much pupils? now i guess aldawen, and some more of them (totaly 3 just as elbereth i guess, i can not take to much for school will start dthe day after tomorrow, and it will take most of my attention...)<BR><BR><BR>edit: you teach what you call 'valinorean', well i dont know any tolkien-language called like that. do you mean valarin, pre-exilic quenya, vanyarin quenya, or amanyë telerin? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0>
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Postby *Elbereth* » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:14 pm

Its the language of Valinor. You find it in Tolkien's History of Middle-Earth.
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Postby Didi » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:20 pm

yeah i see, but in valinor they speak several tongues huh, depending on which clan of elves it is...
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Postby nami_chan » Sat Aug 31, 2002 3:09 pm

Valinorean is the tongue of the Valar, Didi, the one the elves didn't like to hear and changed around quite a bit. The Valar adopted Valarin Quenya soon after the elves came to them.<BR><BR>I suppose I could teach Quenya, but the only time I could find to chat would be Fridays, Saturdays, and holidays, plus occasional emails.But if there are people around who are willing to have things go (or at least begin) slowly, I'm willing.
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Postby Balance_Keeper » Sat Aug 31, 2002 7:28 pm

I can teach Quenya as well, but I can say the same as <b>nami_chan</b> conserning time.<BR><BR>P.S.<BR>Finished Quenya course from Ardalambion in the end of April (this year) <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Rhuniel~ » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:17 pm

Hey.<BR>I'm brand new to this, so bear with me. lol.<BR>I would like to learn Sindarin, and Valinorian.
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Postby *Elbereth* » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:24 pm

sure, ill teach ya. you have my e-mail already, Diandra <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> is it ok to learn it with Rowanoak?
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Postby Erunaamo » Sun Sep 01, 2002 12:21 am

Would it be a good idea for one to go through the WHOLE Ardalambion course before trying to get a teacher?
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Postby Balance_Keeper » Sun Sep 01, 2002 6:18 am

well... try it (I mean Ardalambion course).
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Postby *Elbereth* » Mon Sep 02, 2002 5:46 pm

Hey Didi, en't you supposed to post your e-mail for Aldawen? Or does she already have it <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0>
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Postby skyfiery » Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:44 pm

Heya, can I join? Anyone can teach me Sindarin and Valinorean? Thanks.<BR><BR>Sky
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:20 pm

I will teach Sindarin and Quenya to no more than three people.<BR><BR><b>Warning #1</b>: I am just starting college and may be busy for a while, but will try to be available as much as possible.<BR><BR><b>Warning #2</b>: I do not teach Helge Fauskanger's idea of Tolkien's languages (despite the respect I have for the man); that is, I do not subscribe to the belief that there is or should be a "complete" or "final" version of Quenya or Sindarin that can be used as a modern language is. What I know (to some degree) and am willing to teach are the variances Tolkien's languages went through as he developed them. Please respect that.<BR><BR><b>Warning #3</b>: Swooners and fanfiction not wanted. (Yes, I am a horribly prejudiced person.) Serious students only.<BR><BR>--Nienna
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Postby *Elbereth* » Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:32 pm

Well sky, looks like Este's about to finish.... my e-mails canadian_tolkienite@hotmail.com. I do this via e-mail and I wont start until about Sep 7. Send me an e-mail and Ill give you the details.
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Postby Aldawen » Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:16 am

no, I don't. Didi? could you post yours? My E-mails down and I'm using a friends right now, so I can't post it. um.... well?
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Postby Didi » Tue Sep 03, 2002 7:40 am

sorry that i didnt do it before, but last days i had no possibility for posting more then 2 or 3 posts a day... (you know, college starting adgain etc...)<BR><BR>didimasure@hotmail.com ; which way of learning do you prefer? just add me to msn, or send me a mail or something...
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Postby space2277 » Tue Sep 03, 2002 7:52 am

Elbereth,<BR>Id like to know if I can learn Elvish. My email is teenie82books@yahoo.ca and I have MSN messenger.<BR>Thanks,Christine
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Postby Didi » Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:46 am

if you want to learn quenya i would be pleased to take you as pupil <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> (if you dont mind taking me as teacher of course <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>)
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Postby skyfiery » Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:50 am

Elbereth, I know only a little Sindarin. Not a lot, but some. Btw, your Elvish is not Grey Company's elvish, right? No offense meant; just double checking. Thanks.<BR><BR>Sky
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Postby Elf_witch » Wed Sep 04, 2002 11:15 am

Someone able to learn me some Quenya? I've learnd a bit on my own. Like Helge's first lesson, but I'm not that good at learning on my own. People, willing to teach me: <a href="mailto:angel_elf@hotmail.com">angel_elf@hotmail.com</a> or <a href="mailto:melima@middle_earth.zzn.com">melima@middle_earth.zzn.com</a><BR>Thanks a lot <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR>O, and Didi, you're dutch right? Maybe you can help me? Whaterver you want.
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Postby LadyGreenleaf2000 » Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:28 pm

I don't have MSN messenger and my parents are being very awkward; where can i get it? I'd love to learn Sindarin, but Quenya is just as good. I don't think I'm <i>really</i>slow at learning... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>
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Postby Didi » Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:41 pm

okey elbereth i took elf witch as student so you can add her to my list <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>
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Postby LadyGreenleaf2000 » Wed Sep 04, 2002 1:00 pm

OK, I just downloaded MSN messenger. I want to learn Sindarin, but Quenya is just as good. I can't say I know any, though, so I'd be starting from scratch.
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Postby *Elbereth* » Thu Sep 05, 2002 2:47 pm

Yes, Christine ill accept you. and Sky. Must learn how to say no, though.<BR>I'm teaching throgh E-mail, as most of my students don't have MSN.<BR>I'm gonna warn you about my lessons: their easy. The tests are h*ll and Kristy is quoted as saying (about the finals) "4 hours of h*ll."<BR>Finals:<BR><OL><li>Translate a Sindarin paragraph into English<li>Translate a Sindarin & Tengwar paragraph into english<li>Translate a Sindarin & Cirith paragraph into english<li>Translate a paragraph into sindarin<li>Record you reading your translation onto MP3 (so I know if you're pronouncing it right)<li>Put your translation into Tengwar<li>Put your translation into Cirith</OL>all in 4 hours, and you have no access to notes, books, past lessons, etc. Fun, eh?<BR><BR>No, I teach the Sindarin that Tolkien created. I taught it to myself while reading his works, and compiled it into a dicionary. It wasn't hard for me, I spoke 4 languages at the time (english, french, german, greek). I was 10 years old.
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Postby *Elbereth* » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:17 pm

<BR>NiennaSorrowing, LadyGoldberry2000 looks like a good candidate for an aprentice for you! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>---wait. Lg2000, are you a Swooner?
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Postby NiennaSorrowing » Thu Sep 05, 2002 4:57 pm

No swooners. !!!!!!!!1
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