The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and Tolkien - The One Ring

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:09 am

Hmm i agree about the Halberd part Aglanor, but not really about the spear part. As you know, some creatures have resistance against certain types of weapons, or are less influenced by them, like skeletons against crushing, and piercing doesnt do much against them. That is why i like to have a wild variety of weapons, ofcourse slashing, arrows as piercing, warhammers as blunt and crushing and closecombat spears as piercing. Quarterstaffs i absolutly love, in the party of me and Drieske right now we have two, and i know there are even better around<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **drieske** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 10:32 am

Yep, Jaheira has now a quarterstaff +3, and she wields it like a martial arts-ninja <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>, and lots of healing spells, whow, she left us for a Harper Hall business, and I immediately missed that druid <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> But I absolutely love my ranger Greeny, she has two swords, and she's hacking her way through everything hihihi <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Maeglin, that last fight took us some tries, but we finally did it right? Teamwork, love this!!! And dispell magic, so the hostile mage wasn't laughing thát hard anymore in the end <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> We took out the female druid leader, and the area is safe again <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Great session my friend, looking forward to the next! SOOOOOOOOON please <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> *hugs* sorry to bore you with this, but I'm just too enthusiastic to keep my mouth shut about Baldur's Gate 2 <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0>

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:53 am

LOL i dont mind, infact i love that you like it that much Drieske<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Your ranger and jaheira start to rule indeed, hack and slash their way and healing the wounded<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> Gandalf the mage, he has now the ring of wizardry, double level one spells, imunity to charm hold spells and many more good things<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Summoning animals and creatures all the time<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>

by **Darklon** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 3:53 pm

well I dunno but somwhow dual classing doesn't speak for me ... although I might try once a warrior cleric ( like amoen ) that might work out good ... ok I'm in the middle of making a world for NWN game ... just to let you know I had included your nicks in the game .... <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> ( if you don't mind of because , if you do then I take them out ) ... as to the bg 1 and bg 2 weapons I still think that swords are the best ... ( mostly used ) of course some flails, staffs and other weapons are used as well but I think that the swords actually have the best bonuses ...

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:57 am

<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> tell me what is your story about Darklon, you got me curious now<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> The reason i want to level up with my character is that i can give a profincy to halberd, than it is bye bye dragons<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>

by **Beren_of_Barahir** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:01 am

Ya I agree about swords being the best hand to hand weapons in both games...I mean there are exceptions (crom faeyr, blah blah blah...) but overall swords are the most plentiful and so in turn there are a a larger number of powerful swords. However, in bg1 I am always going to say that a good bow is the best weapon overall...seriously, long range is just deadly in that game.

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:11 am

I so much agree, because in BG2, the number of Mages are so much higher and mind flayers or undead, while in BG1 you are most focussed on creatures like spiders, hobgoblins, some skeletons. THis time i chosed for a company without a bow, other than yoshimo, and it works way better i noticed, hack and slash<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>

by **drieske** » Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:33 am

It's true, in BG I'm mostly using the bows and slings, and in close combat the swords <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>, but in BG2 I'm "not allowed" to touch my bow <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-crying.gif"border=0> hehehe <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Themedes** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:16 am

Missile weapons have always been the most efficient way of laying waste on your enemies. In BG1, many battles were solved before the critters could even close in on melee range. Special arrows rule. Arrows of detonation have always been my favourites. I feel like John Rambo when shooting those things and Rambo is cool.

by **Aglanor** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:52 am

Agreed. And I was quite in love with arrows of detonation, but in BG2 I got addicted to arrows of dispelling as well, though unfortunately it didn't dispel the more powerful spells...

by **Beren_of_Barahir** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 8:57 pm

Ya, those types of arrows made the final confrontation with Sarevok way too easy in my opinion...but when it came to playing BG2, both of the characters I use as archers disappear. Imoen gets taken and Kivan is no where to be seen. Yoshimo fills in well, but it just seems that arrows aren't nearly as effective in the second game, especially the more you progress.

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:04 pm

Never used any of those arrows<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> For dispelling i had my mage and detonation my wands and other nifty stuff, maybe i should try it<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> Well we just did the Heardalis quest on the outer plane, dang that one is not TOO easy, and we killed another leech<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Going good<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Shadowjack** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:28 pm

Well not sure if this will be old news or not... But I got the following in my email today... So if your a big Baldur`s gate 2 fan.. you might be interested. A message from MPrilla@aol.com: This is an invitation to join IEEAIS. Infinity Engine Enemy AI Scripting. This group revolves around AI scripting, mod making and general Infinity Engine goodness.IEEAIS is the place where Dave Gaider's Ascension mod was developed.Currently in production is Return to Windspear, a massive new quest for Baldur's Gate 2 - Throne of Bhaal, To reach the group owner (Kensai Ryu) and moderators (Quitch,Cuv and Mprilla) directly, send email to IEEAIS-owner@yahoogroups.com.

by **Arion** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:21 pm

Hey guys. Well, I DID break out of my human fighter norm and opted for a half-elf swashbuckler. He's got all the skills of a theif (minus backstab) and near-fighter combat skills! I've got a few questions, however, about certain aspects of the game. As a thief, my stronghold is a thieve's guild. I just finished Renal Bloodscalp's (sp?) bidding and took out Maer'valis (sp?) and have been given the thief guild as my own. However, when that happend, Keldorn started spouting off his protest and said he wouldn't tolerate anything he deemed to be evil. My question is, if I go to claim the guild -- will Keldorn leave??? I certainly hope not since he's one of my more stronger party members (the turn undead ability is nice too). And also, how do I start up some of the quests with the Harpers? Do I just walk into the place (the building in the Docks District) or what? Thanks guys! Oh, btw -- what party members did you use throughout the game (i.e. ones you kept and used until the end) I've got Myself (Arion is the character's name <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>), Keldorn, Minsc, Jaheira, Aerie, and Valygar. Pretty stong party if I do say so. I'd like to use Viconia or Edwin, but their evil allignments would clash with either my reputation or my other characters' allignments.

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:16 pm

Very interesting indeed Shadowjack, i will make a mail i think<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Thank you<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> Arion, i am not 100% sure but i think Keldron will leave, to forecome that, accept the guild with Keldorn out of your party for a while, and accept him back later, it might work. To start the harpers quest indeed go in and do the xzar quest , from that moment, when you have jaheira quest after quest will follow<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **Aglanor** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:04 am

ShadowJack: Sounds interesting indeed. I just don't know anything about scripting... Arion: That swashbuckler sounds nice! I never tried many variety of classes. I always got stuck with the barbarian. I just liked the class so much. I don't think Keldorn will leave immediately. He will moan about it, but if he will really leave, I'm uncertain. The idea Maeg gives works most of the times. The members I used till the end: Me - half-orc barbarian Keldorn Minsc Jan Jansen Imoen Viconia In Throne of Bhaal I switched Minsc for someone else. You'll know who in the first 5 minutes of the game...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Arion** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:14 pm

Thanks guys <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>. Oh, and I made a mistake -- Keldorn doesn't have the Turn Undead ability -- got him confused with Anomen. For now, anyway, I'm at Spellhold and it'll be a while before I make it back to Athkatla. Where's this Xzar character? I tried walking directly into the building but it's locked and the guard outside tells me to move on. Did I miss something? Looking at a Walkthrough online, I think I might have made a mistake, though. Earlier in the game when I went to the D'Arnise Hold and was way-layd (sp?) by enemies, I didn't fight and just walked off the screen instead. I think they were the ones who had the body of this one guy who I was supposed to carry back to the Docks District somewhere! Unfortunately, since I didn't fight them -- there's no way to get back to the in-between area and find they guy's body. Perhaps there's a cheat I can do to get his body which I could then use to jump-start the Harper Quests??? (although, I oftentimes don't really like cheating -- but in this case, it might be necessary). Any suggestions?

by **Shadowjack** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:30 pm

Arion I havn`t played it.. so can`t be of help there. But if you do need to cheat the best way is to use Gatekeeper for Baldur`s gate 1. Or Shadowkeeper for Baldur`s gate 2. Here is the website you can get them at: <a target=new href="http://www.mud-master.com/">Baldur`s Gate cheat programs</a> They are saved game editors. You can change or add any attributes,add any items to your inventory..weapons,armour,"Dead Body`s" lol,add spells and levels to your characters... pretty much anything you want. I will admit to using Dalekeeper,when I played Icewind Dale. My computer had a brain fart,and my saved game got messed up. Used it to get my characters back to where they had been,so that I didn`t have to start over from scratch.

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:36 am

Sigh bunch of cheaters<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> Arion go with your party to an area out of the main city, dont mind wich one, than the quest will start for you<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Beren_of_Barahir** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:36 pm

Arion- near the very beginning of the game, I think the first time you leave the city to go anywhere, you are waylaid by a group of thugs who are circled around another character who is lying on the ground. If you walked away from this one, then there is no way that you can get the Xzar quest to start. You need that guy who was lying on the ground to initiate anything with the Harpers, so...unless you have a save before then, your kinda screwed! Sorry, happened to me once too.

by **Darklon** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:05 am

hm... not really he could use the built in CLUA console cheat ... and get the body by the means of let's say " cheating " a little bit .. that way he can move on with his quests ...

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:27 am

*notices the word "cheating"is used a lot here<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0> What is wrong with just doing it right<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0>

by **drieske** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:38 am

totally agree Maeg <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> let's just play and have fun, and if something goes wrong, just start that part over again hehehe <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> see you in a minute <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **Beren_of_Barahir** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:32 am

Seriously, of course he could use the console if he wanted to, but come on...this is supposed to be a role playing game. How is it role playing when you fix a minor screw up by cheating? Oh well, to each his own I guess....

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 11:47 am

*makes a little jig* We just killed a shadow Dragon, and some other quest..<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0> Now doing the inner sphere quest with Drieske...we are going good eh?<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **drieske** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 11:47 am

<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> *stands up and bows deep before Maeglin the dragon-slayer* <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> That was a superb fight this afternoon my friend, you did truly amazing things, coordinated attack, I was watching totally fascinated <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> and I hope next time I will be able to battle such a ferocious beast! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> sorry, but this one was one size too big for me <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif"border=0> Ah, but fortunately I could manage the rest of the quest a bit better <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> even brought one of our companions back to life hehehe <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> We enjoyed another session of BG2, and I simply LOVE it Maeg, I really do <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

by **Arion** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:02 pm

Didn't mean to start up any sort of "cheating" controversy, guys. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I suppose it's more of a bug with the game, then. When I was waylaid, they didn't even say anything special and so I assumed it was just normal bandits. I was in a hurry to get to D'Arnise and so instead of fighting the goons I just fled. Odd that the game designers would have THAT as the only starting point for all of the Harper Quests. Like I said, I've played the game before and remember several storylines involving the Harpers -- I think at some point Jaheira leaves for a bit, gets a pin of some sort. . . I'll have to look into this "cheating" strategy to merely jumpstart all of this. Currently, I'm back in Athkatla -- about to go kill Bodhi (again). Has anyone done the expansion, Throne of Bhaal? How is it?

by **Darklon** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:24 pm

I'm playing TOB now and I need to say it's awsome you just need to try it to know what am I talking about <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

by **Beren_of_Barahir** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 10:05 pm

Yeah, TOB is a lot of fun...you can get so powerful that its ridiculous...but there are some cool new areas, and a lot of new monsters. Plus they do a pretty good job of filling in the blanks concerning your characters past. Pretty interesting...

by **The,real,Maeglin** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:00 am

Played TOB, didnt finished it though, will try again some day, graphics even better, powerful adversaries and great monsters, really interesting storyline and well a whole new BG world<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> And yes Arion, the Jahiera quest starts after the bringing back of the wounded harper<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

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