Adramir081
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:03 pm |
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I was wondering about elvish children, how long is an Elf considered a 'child' and is there some sort of equivlint in years (like 2 years to us is like 2 mo. or something) And also how do the elvish children act, are they like super calm or really smart or are they just like children of men????(Sorry if this in a book or something i haven't read all of them) Thanks
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Fingolfin_of_the_Noldor
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:12 pm |
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Tolkien mainly speaks to the concept of Elven children in a work associated with the Silmarillion entitled: 'Laws and Customs among the Eldar' published in Morgoth's Ring(HoME 10). As you your particular questions they are for the most part addressed in the preamble to the work:
The Eldar grew in bodily form slower than Men, but in mind more swiftly. They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for theur wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies. Nonetheless there was less difference between the two Kindreds, Elves and Men, in early youth; and a man who watched elf-children at play might well have believed that they were the children of Men, of some fair and happy people. For in their early days elf-children delighted still in the world about them, and the fire of their spirit had not consumed them, and the burden of memory was still light on them.
This same watcher might indeed have wondered at the small limbs and stature of these children, judging their age by their skill in words and grace in motion. For at the end of the third year mortal children began to outstrip the Elves, hastening on to full stature while the Elves lingered in the first spring of childhood. Children of Men might reach their full height while Eldar of the same age were still in body like mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature ans shape in which their lives would afterwards endure and for some a hundred years would pass before they were full-grown. -pg211 Morgoth's RIng 'Laws and Customs Among the Eldar'
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Adramir081
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 6:02 pm |
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Thanks Fingolfin, that was exactly what i wanted to know. 
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despoina
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:14 am |
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Me, too! Thanks Fin!
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Carnimiriel
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2002 5:44 am |
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Also from Morgoth's Ring, elves didn't typically marry until they were at least 50 years old, so this has always led me to think that this number is a pretty good threshhold for when an elf would have been considered an adult.
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Armenelos
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2002 7:12 am |
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another thing to keep in mind, is that before the rising of the sun, time was a little different. the elves in valinor had valinorean years, which are about 10 of our years (i believe it's actualy 9.? years)
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Perhael
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2002 10:01 am |
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Thanks!! I really needed to know that info, even though I have read Morgoth's Ring 
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:25 am |
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They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for theur wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies
 My three kids all learned to walk at 8 months old. Does this mean they are actually elves?
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Armenelos
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:00 am |
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could they speak and dance as well?
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MariaHobbit
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:19 am |
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Well, they'd run around the room as fast as they could, giggling! Does that count? And two of them were talking around 10 months old. The other waited until about 17 months, but she was in a multilingual environment, which was confusing, I'm sure.
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Elflover
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:29 am |
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I'm still trying to picture a one-year old child speaking in full sentences. Mine were a little slower with language, so it seems even more unnatural to me. Thanks for the information. I had always assumed elves grew up at the same rate as men.
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Tuor,
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Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2003 4:48 pm |
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Here is a different view that can be found in Morgoth's Ring pg 426
On Earth while an elf-child did but grow to be a man or a woman, in some 3000 years...
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Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2003 5:33 pm |
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Tuor, :On Earth while an elf-child did but grow to be a man or a woman, in some 3000 years...
Following the completion of The Lord of the Rings, it seems JRRT was moving towards 144 Years of the Sun being equivalent to the Valian (or Elvish) Year (the previous conversion being 9.582 Sun Years to One Valian Year). The essay on Aman from which this quotation was taken dates from this period. Unfortunately, the Dates given in the various Tales of Years throughout HOME were not revised to take account of this (as only some dates were to be changed). The End result of this change would be to greatly extend the duration that the Elves and the Valar had been in Arda and also to push back further in the past the awakening of Men (giving Morgoth ample time to breed Orcs from Men). The extension of Elvish childhood was an essential component of the new time schema to avoid a population explosion .
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Tuor,
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Posted: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:08 pm |
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Thank you Morinehtar.
By the way Romestamo, why the name change? Are you trying corner the market on the Blue Wizards?
You might be able to get Pallando to change his screen name to Jimmy.
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